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I bought a new sport 2 yesterday from a local dealer and have a few questions. Heres is the gun that I purchased.

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I was under the impression that the gun I was buying would have sites included. This one does not. I paid $550 for this gun. After doing a little research I found another sport 2 online with free shipping for $498 which includes sites. Below is that gun.

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Is there any differences between theses two guns other than the sites? I prefer buying local when I can go help out my local guys but also want to get a good deal. Thank you for your help!

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But for the sights, they are identical. "Optic Ready" means it NEEDS some type of sight, and the gas block is provided with a rail rather than a fixed front site so that you can employ a scope or a set of removable front and rear sights (or both) -- but no sights come with it.
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Thank you for the responses. Would you say I'm better off having a gas block with a rail or a fixed front sight?
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You wanna use flip up iron sights?

...or you planning on a red-dot, or a scope of some kind? Most peeps go with some kind of scope action so the rail is all good.
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Thank you for the responses. Would you say I'm better off having a gas block with a rail or a fixed front sight?
Depends... If you are going to put an optic on the rifle and do not care about back up sites, the ORC is for you. If you want only flip ups for your back up sites, the ORC is good... just make sure to buy a metal front sight. If you want a solid front sight that is not going to bend or other wise fail, it is hard to beat the fixed front sight.
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I would just keep the gun you have. $550 for a Sport II OR is a great price for a nice gun. Just add either folding iron sights or an optic.

What is your intended use? Range toy? Self-defense? 3-Gun matches?
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I would just keep the gun you have. $550 for a Sport II OR is a great price for a nice gun. Just add either folding iron sights or an optic.

What is your intended use? Range toy? Self-defense? 3-Gun matches?

Why would S&W charge more for an OR Sport II over the regular Sport II? I would choose the Sport II over the OR Sport II.

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I prefer buying local when I can go help out my local guys but also want to get a good deal.
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I don't mind spending a couple of extra $$ to keep the little guys in business either.

Last month I stopped into my local shop to order a M&P 15 Sport II he said it would be $619 + tax.
I showed him that I could buy it online for $498 shipped.... he said "let me know when it will be here".

He's a very fair man, that's one of the reasons he gets my business.Sport 2 questions
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Why would S&W charge more for an OR Sport II over the regular Sport II? I would choose the Sport II over the OR Sport II.
They don't... The Sport II OR has a MSRP of $719, while the Sport II has a MSRP of $739. However, S&W doesn't set dealer pricing... and the OP did not buy from S&W... He purchased a Sport II OR from dealer A, and then found a Sport II for less money from dealer B.
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Depends... If you are going to put an optic on the rifle and do not care about back up sites, the ORC is for you. If you want only flip ups for your back up sites, the ORC is good... just make sure to buy a metal front sight. If you want a solid front sight that is not going to bend or other wise fail, it is hard to beat the fixed front sight.
Going a bit further, one of the reasons for a railed front sight vs a fixed front sight tower is to prevent seeing the latter with low magnification and especially no magnification optics. The lower the power the more you see the front sight tower. As power increases it eventually disappears, though it might make a dark fuzzy "shadow" in the scope image.

So there is an advantage to either having no front sight, or a folding or removable front sight, when running optics. You've probably seen the term BUIS, but if not, it means Back Up Iron Sight. This generally means a set of folding sights that can quickly come into play should your optic break or fail. But it can also be a set of sights you can install in the field in place of your optic, though this is much slower.

The front rail also offers more flexibility in choosing sights vs the basic front tower design. Numerous styles of folding and fixed sights that attach to rails are available. Just be aware there are two heights of rails. Low profile, and high profile. The latter has the rail at the same level as the rail on the receiver, like the Sport II OR. Make sure the front sight matches your height of rail.
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Why would S&W charge more for an OR Sport II over the regular Sport II? I would choose the Sport II over the OR Sport II.
I just looked it up. The Sport II OR is $20 less than a regular Sport II.
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M&P(R)15 SPORT™ II Optics Ready | Smith & Wesson
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SKU: 10159
Model: M&PSport 2 questions15 SPORTSport 2 questions II Optics Ready
Caliber: 5.56mm NATO/.223
Capacity: 30
Barrel Length: 16"
Overall Length: 35.0"
Action: Gas Operated Semi-Auto
Stock: 6-Position CAR Stock
Grip: Polymer
Weight: 104.2 oz / 2,954.0g
Barrel Material: 4140 Steel
Barrel Twist: 1 in 9
Purpose: Recreational Shooting

M&P(R)15 Sport™ II | Smith & Wesson
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SKU: 10202
Model: M&PSport 2 questions15 SportSport 2 questions II
Caliber: 5.56mm NATO/.223
Capacity: 30
Safety: Manual Safety on Lower
Barrel Length: 16"
Overall Length: 35.0"
Front Sight: Adj. A2 Post
Rear Sight: Folding Magpul (MBUS)
Action: Gas Operated Semi-Auto
Stock: 6-Position CAR
Grip: Polymer
Weight: 103.2 oz / 2,925.7g
Barrel Material: 4140 Steel
Frame Material: Aluminum Alloy
Frame Finish: Matte Black
Barrel Twist: 1 in 9, 6 groove
Purpose: Home Protection, Hunting, Recreational Shooting
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I just picked up a sport two optic ready for 450, screaming deal in my opinion.. I wanna free float, but I don't know what size hand guard I would need to keep my factory picatiny gas block.. I have a 15 inch from another build but I wanna go short and not have to change to a low profile gas block.. anyone know the correct size I would need? In ex. 7", 7.25", 10" etc...
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I wish the OR had been available when I bought my rifle. I would have gone with that. Yes I could buy another one but I just bought a shotgun and my wife might use it on me if I try to buy another AR anytime soon. I like the looks of the OR as much as the functionality. I would keep a set of rail attachable iron sights for the infrequent times my red dot might quit. Something like the Folding Magpul MBUS Front/Rear sights that come on the M&P15T would do nicely. I'd actually think about buying that M&P15T given the free floating barrel design and the quad rail. But IMO the price is too high on that rifle. The OR is another story. I doubt I would find as good of a deal as I could find on the Sport II but likely it would be close enough. The price of the Sport II has been driven down by the flood of available rifles and the drop off of demand. People are still buying AR's but not at the ever increasing rate we saw during the last administration. Prices should be stable for the near term.
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I wish the OR had been available when I bought my rifle. I would have gone with that. Yes I could buy another one but I just bought a shotgun and my wife might use it on me if I try to buy another AR anytime soon. I like the looks of the OR as much as the functionality. I would keep a set of rail attachable iron sights for the infrequent times my red dot might quit. Something like the Folding Magpul MBUS Front/Rear sights that come on the M&P15T would do nicely. I'd actually think about buying that M&P15T given the free floating barrel design and the quad rail. But IMO the price is too high on that rifle. The OR is another story. I doubt I would find as good of a deal as I could find on the Sport II but likely it would be close enough. The price of the Sport II has been driven down by the flood of available rifles and the drop off of demand. People are still buying AR's but not at the ever increasing rate we saw during the last administration. Prices should be stable for the near term.
The OR was available when you bought your rifle... It was available before the first generation of the Sport I... now the Sport II OR, that's a different story and price tag!

In case you end up getting one, do not put Magpul MBUS on the railed gas block. Too much heat for the polymer sight. You would need to get the Magpul Pros, or some other metal sight.
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Why would S&W charge more for an OR Sport II over the regular Sport II? I would choose the Sport II over the OR Sport II.
They make people that don't like the standard sight pay for the option. I hear it's a lot of work to remove it. I have the Sport II with sites and another AR that came optics ready. On that I put flip up sites. The front site that comes with the Sport II doesn't interfere with my red dot, not sure about a scope.
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The OR was available when you bought your rifle... It was available before the first generation of the Sport I... now the Sport II OR, that's a different story and price tag!

In case you end up getting one, do not put Magpul MBUS on the railed gas block. Too much heat for the polymer sight. You would need to get the Magpul Pros, or some other metal sight.
I had a gun company rep say poly sites were fine, just don't shoot rapid fire. He suggested MFT sites that look like cheap garbage to me. I call MFT for fun and they agreed they were ok unless rapid fired. I bought some metal sites to be replaced by Magpul Pro's eventually. Until then, the ones I have will back up my Sparc AR red dots.
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I had a gun company rep say poly sites were fine, just don't shoot rapid fire. He suggested MFT sites that look like cheap garbage to me. I call MFT for fun and they agreed they were ok unless rapid fired. I bought some metal sites to be replaced by Magpul Pro's eventually. Until then, the ones I have will back up my Sparc AR red dots.
So, he told you that they work fine, until they don't...

Magpul states to not use them on the gas block. Melting is not actually the concern... they will become brittle. I typically will go with the word of the manufacturer when they tell you that their product is not suited for a particular use.
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I guess I just didn't know about them. I saw lots of info on the Sport model that I bought. I never heard of the OR until this thread. I thought I did my homework but I guess not.
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I guess I just didn't know about them. I saw lots of info on the Sport model that I bought. I never heard of the OR until this thread. I thought I did my homework but I guess not.
I had my choice between the OR and the Sport 1 with 1:8 twist and 5R rifling for the same price. The OR had the chrome lined barrel, 1:9 twist, ejection port cover and forward assist. I went with the Sport, due to the barrel and because it had sights out of the box... the OR would have cost me more to set up to shoot.
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I went with the Sport, due to the barrel and because it had sights out of the box... the OR would have cost me more to set up to shoot.
I really don't have any complaints with my Sport. I would have just chosen to save some money (if possible) to get an AR without the A2 sight post. But my red dot has no trouble avoiding the use of it and it's there should I ever need it. I don't wish I had gone that way by any massive, overwhelming desire. If I did I'd simply buy one. It just suits my taste a little more. No big deal. I think there are other things that could be done without the sight post being there like mounting a laser on a lower plane than my red dot. Lasers can be very effective in the right situation. I know you can mount one on the bottom of the grip but I like a forward pistol grip so that doesn't leave room for mounting anything in front of it. I suppose I could have gone with a quad rail or the right key mod setup and mount one on the side of the rifle but IMO that detracts from the way a rifle looks. Again this is mostly just my preference. I don't see it as a major advantage or anything.

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I had my choice between the OR and the Sport 1 with 1:8 twist and 5R rifling for the same price. The OR had the chrome lined barrel, 1:9 twist, ejection port cover and forward assist. I went with the Sport, due to the barrel and because it had sights out of the box... the OR would have cost me more to set up to shoot.
That's ironic. Everything you stated was almost the same with me when I bought my Sport I (5) years ago. But, the OR price was like $1029, or somewhere in that area. And, they had the Sport with the carry handle as well. I too chose the Sport I because of the barrel, sights, and price.
I just wish my son would return it!

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But, the OR price was like $1029, or somewhere in that area.
Typically, the OR was more expensive than the Sport. I found a guy at a gun show who had a stack of OR rifles in cardboard boxes. He said he was an LE distributor, or something to do with LE, and these were contract overruns, so that was why he could offer them at the price point of the Sport.

No plastic case, no magazine... just the rifle in the cardboard box. But he was willing to throw in a tactical bag with it. Looking back, I should have jumped on it!
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Typically, the OR was more expensive than the Sport.

....so that was why he could offer them at the price point of the Sport.

No plastic case, no magazine... just the rifle in the cardboard box. But he was willing to throw in a tactical bag with it. Looking back, I should have jumped on it!
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