What's Wrong With the M&P Sport II Rifle?

[powwowell]

What parts would you change out, to make this a top of the line AR15?

For an occasional shooter, why won't the factory version last a life time?

Is it's accuracy not acceptable? Can't get the job done?

[Pisgah]

Originally Posted by powwowell

What parts would you change out, to make this a top of the line AR15?

For an occasional shooter, why won't the factory version last a life time?

Is it's accuracy not acceptable? Can't get the job done?

-- Define top-of-the-line.
-- I didn't know it wouldn't.
-- Acceptable to whom? What job?

[cyphertext]

If by top of the line, you mean built of the same materials as the Colt LE6920, then don't waste your time... just buy the LE6920.

The Sport II will last a lifetime for the occasional shooter. It will last a lifetime for any shooter. Depending upon the volume of shooting you do, you might have to replace a barrel, but the barrel is considered a consumable wear item. Same with magazines...

Accuracy is fine. Just as accurate as any other standard AR 15.

[KSDeputy]

I have read complaints about this rifle on this forum, so I bought a Colt LE 6940. I am quite pleased with it. Other than what I read here about the S&W rifle, I have no first hand knowledge of it. You do get what you pay for, and there is a great price difference between the Colt and the S&W.

[powwowell]

Originally Posted by cyphertext

If by top of the line, you mean built of the same materials as the Colt LE6920, then don't waste your time... just buy the LE6920.

The Sport II will last a lifetime for the occasional shooter. It will last a lifetime for any shooter. Depending upon the volume of shooting you do, you might have to replace a barrel, but the barrel is considered a consumable wear item. Same with magazines...

Accuracy is fine. Just as accurate as any other standard AR 15.

It sounds like I should be quite satisfied with my rifle! The point I was trying to make is, why buy a rifle then spend gazoos of funds, to upgrade it? I don't think I need a Colt LE6920. I'm a shooter, not a soldier.

[BAM-BAM]

IMO and practice........ I try to buy an AR with all or most of the features I want/need ..... changing out 'stuff" is just a waste of money IMHO!

Add sling and optics..........

[cyphertext]

Originally Posted by KSDeputy

I have read complaints about this rifle on this forum, so I bought a Colt LE 6940. I am quite pleased with it. Other than what I read here about the S&W rifle, I have no first hand knowledge of it. You get what you pay for.

Ever been to a Colt forum? You will read complaints about the Colt there. Go over to Ruger forums, you see issues about Rugers. Holds true for every brand. If you have a problem or question about a particular brand, go to a forum where the members have experience with your brand.

Still trying to figure out why you even come to this forum...

[cyphertext]

Originally Posted by powwowell

It sounds like I should be quite satisfied with my rifle! The point I was trying to make is, why buy a rifle then spend gazoos of funds, to upgrade it? I don't think I need a Colt LE6920. I'm a shooter, not a soldier.

You should be satisfied. It is a solid, basic carbine that typically performs well right out of the box. There will be occasional issues, just like other brands have, but if you are unlucky and draw a bad one, S&W stands behind the product and will make it right.

If sometime down the road you decide you want to free float the barrel, you can do that to the Sport II. But for now, I say shoot it and enjoy it. Figure out what you like and what you don't like about how your Sport is configured. Purchase or build the next one the way you want it.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Originally Posted by powwowell

What parts would you change out, to make this a top of the line AR15?

For an occasional shooter, why won't the factory version last a life time?

Is it's accuracy not acceptable? Can't get the job done?

My one-word answer to your first question is... trigger.

2nd and 3rd questions....

"Last a lifetime". Longevity isn't necessarily the issue for folks wanting to replace parts, performance quite often is.

For example-- The trigger on the Sport and most all factory ARs is something I wouldn't waste the money on ammo to shoot with. Trigger longevity isn't the issue but rather performance. "Top of the line" triggers are $200+ and there are many to choose from for different types of shooting and operator preference. I would MUCH rather shoot a Sport with my WC trigger in it than more expensive rifles with a GI trigger that "doesn't get the job done" for speed and accuracy as far as I'm concerned.

Of course 'top of the line" isn't required to meet the expectations for most folks. Most are satisfied with the factory trigger or to upgrade to something a little better for a modest price.

[MichiganScott]

Put a free float handguard and a good trigger on the rifle and it will probably be as accurate as any AR from any major manufacturer with the exception of purpose built target rifles. However, you would be money ahead to buy a different rifle with a free float already installed at the factory.

It's darn near impossible to wear out an AR for the occasional shooter. If, by some odd chance, that you manage to wear out the barrel you simply buy another tube. Mass produced barrels are relatively cheap and if you can afford to shoot one out, you can afford another barrel.

[Arik]

For occasional shooter it should last 5 life times

If I'm changing out parts for more expansive ones I may as well buy a whole new rifle. Instead of paying $500 or so then dumping a lot of parts (that you just paid for) and adding better ones then just spend a little more and get a BCM or DD.

accuracy is perfectly fine but it depends on your shooting intentions. 1000 yard tiny groups or combat accuracy?



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[spad124]

Personally I think S&W engineered and "value engineered" the Sport and SportII very well. The heart of the rifle, upper, lower and barrel, are well manufactured, fitted, and made from quality materials. The parts people always seem to change are serviceable right out of the box but not very expensive to keep the cost down. People replace parts they think will "improve" their shooting skills- handguards, stocks, trigger, 20x red dots, or will "improve" the looks of the rifle. But why pay S&W for a top of the line handguard you're just going to replace with one you think is "better"? And the MBUS sight is serviceable until you mount the ACOG you really want.

The basic Sport is really all one needs to become a proficient marksman and will outlast most people's shooting careers.

[Arik]

Originally Posted by powwowell

It sounds like I should be quite satisfied with my rifle! The point I was trying to make is, why buy a rifle then spend gazoos of funds, to upgrade it? I don't think I need a Colt LE6920. I'm a shooter, not a soldier.

If your concerned about quality then Colt 6920 has a know standard for all parts including the finish. So do others like BCM. Otherwise you're using the same mechanism to send the same bullet down range so being citizen or soldier doesn't mean anything.

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[cyphertext]

Originally Posted by Arik

If your concerned about quality then Colt 6920 has a know standard for all parts including the finish.

Finish on a Colt? Yes, I guess you could say Colt has a "known standard" for finish...

[Pro2nd]

Originally Posted by cyphertext

Ever been to a Colt forum? You will read complaints about the Colt there. Go over to Ruger forums, you see issues about Rugers. Holds true for every brand. If you have a problem or question about a particular brand, go to a forum where the members have experience with your brand.

Yeah this is true with just about everything..

I see it all the time about guitar amps, motorcycles, lawn tractors, pistols, riffles, toaster ovens etc. LOL..

that said, the S&W seems a fine AR for shootin, having fun with etc..
its obviously not an absolute top of the line AR etc, but it will get the job done, seems to be accurate and very dependable, but of course like with ANYTHING, a lemon comes down the line sometimes..

[Scotiapilot]

Originally Posted by powwowell

What parts would you change out, to make this a top of the line AR15?

For an occasional shooter, why won't the factory version last a life time?

Is it's accuracy not acceptable? Can't get the job done?

Its perfect for exactly what you are saying. Nothing to change add or delete. It gets the job done, its more accurate than you (meaning any human just about), it will last longer than you and I swear you will be able to pass it down to many generations and will last decades.

[Arik]

Originally Posted by cyphertext

Finish on a Colt? Yes, I guess you could say Colt has a "known standard" for finish...

Yep. Something I have less than zero care about.

All my ARs kinda look like this but less paint and more scratches



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[hdwhit]

powwowell wrote:

1. What parts would you change out, to make this a top of the line AR15?
2. For an occasional shooter, why won't the factory version last a life time?
3. Is it's accuracy not acceptable? Can't get the job done?

I still use the Ruger Mini-14 that I bought in 1979 and it will probably be my principal centerfire rifle when I die, but I did buy M&P-15 Sport II's for my sons and with respect to your questions, this has been their reaction:

1. My older son prefers iron sights and so removed the plastic backup sight and installed an a2 style carrying handle with rear sight. He has made no other modifications. My younger son has kept his completely stock, finding nothing that needed to be changed.
2. My Mini-14 has fired about 3,000 rounds across the last 38 years. I figure any accumulated wear on it will be my sons' problem. Similarly, I expect that unless they start preparing for the zombie apocalypse, wear and tear on their Sport II's will be a problem for my grandchildren.
3. As far as accuracy goes, the question is what is acceptable to you? For me, where I use my rifles, the accuracy standard is whether I can get at least 9 out of 10 rounds in the circular divot on the side of a gallon milk jug at 100 yards firing offhand. While the size of the divot varies with whoever made the milk jug, that's generally about a 3 moa target and with my Mini-14 or either of Sport II's are fully capable of achieving that. So, yes, the accuracy is acceptable to me. My older son is a little less accurate than I am because of a neurological condition, but my younger son can reliably get 10 out of 10 rounds into the divot.

All of these rifles were purchased for self-defense and, in a crisis, to put food on the table, so none of us feel the need to make changes to an otherwise serviceable rifle simply to impress the poachers we might encounter in the woods or the tugs we might encounter in our living room.

[hdwhit]

KSDeputy wrote:
I have read complaints about this rifle on this forum, so I bought a Colt LE 6940. I am quite pleased with it. Other than what I read here about the S&W rifle, I have no first hand knowledge of it.

Interesting.

After reading what Colt users had to say on the Colt forum, I was leading towards the S&W, but the deciding factor was when I read what the Army had to say about Colt.

You get what you pay for.

You admittedly know nothing about the M&P-15 and yet you dismiss it with that adage. Shame on you.

But let's look at that adage objectively. You got a rifle that was in every functional aspect the same as the M&P-15 and then you paid Colt to engrave a pony on the side of it. Glad you're satisfied with your engraved rifle. For my part, I chose to skip buying the artwork and spend the money on ammunition.

[hdwhit]

powwowell wrote:
What parts would you change out, to make this a top of the line AR15?

I should add that when a local gun shop went out of business, I did pick up two sets of handguards with liners (the ones on the Sport II are not lined) for $12, but that was to have them as spare parts, not to "upgrade" the rifles.

[WVSig]

Originally Posted by powwowell

What parts would you change out, to make this a top of the line AR15?

None because you are not going to turn a great budget carbine into a top of the line rifle unless you strip it down to the lower and the upper and rebuild it from the ground up which would make no sense.

The Sport II was designed to hit a price point that would appeal to the mass market and perform at a high level. It was not intended to be top of the line.

Also most people do not require a top of the line rifle.

For an occasional shooter, why won't the factory version last a life time?

All rifles life span are not dependent on time. Their useable
Life span is based on round count. Most AR15 barrels are going to last 6,000 to 15,000 depending on what and how you shoot. Springs, pins, bolts etc are all wear parts with a finite life span based on wear. The Sport II will last as long as most other AR15s. That is however not what separates a top of the line AR15 and a budget rifle.

Is it's accuracy not acceptable? Can't get the job done?

It depends on the job. For 1000 yard tiny group shooting the Sport II and the AR15 platform in general would not be my tool of choice but sub moa at 100 yards depending on luck of the draw and the right ammo combination the Sport II can do it. Some
top of the line rifle won't do that OTB others will.

In the end buy the best rifle that suits your needs in a configuration your like and shoot it.

[agksimon]

Some people, myself included, bought the Sport 2 planning on using it the way it came. After a while, money starts to burn a hole in your pocket and you want to add/change things. I bought the optics ready version, so far, I've replace the stock, hand grip and forearm with Magpul furniture. I also installed an ambi charging lever (cheap one) and safety, as I'm left handed. Also replaced the bolt hold open/release, added a sling and installed JP trigger/hammer springs and polished the trigger contact surfaces. I'm very happy with the changes I've made.

[Disabled1]

Originally Posted by powwowell

It sounds like I should be quite satisfied with my rifle! The point I was trying to make is, why buy a rifle then spend gazoos of funds, to upgrade it?

If you're like me, with a mechanical background, it's fun to switch out parts, add parts, and to just plain "tinker" with your AR-15. Well, except for the original Sport I with the 5R 1:8 twist barrel. That's (Mine's) a classic and you don't mess with perfection!

Originally Posted by powwowell

I don't think I need a Colt LE6920. I'm a shooter, not a soldier.

There's a website with an M4 group of carbine in a net, that if you go there and ask that Q?, you will most likely get banned! That, or they will chew you up so bad you would have wished you NEVER asked that Q?!

[Arik]

Originally Posted by Disabled1

If you're like me, with a mechanical background, it's fun to switch out parts, add parts, and to just plain "tinker" with your AR-15. Well, except for the original Sport I with the 5R 1:8 twist barrel. That's (Mine's) a classic and you don't mess with perfection!


There's a website with an M4 group of carbine in a net, that if you go there and ask that Q?, you will most likely get banned! That, or they will chew you up so bad you would have wished you NEVER asked that Q?!

Lol I know which you mean. I'm a member there. It's not geared towards the casual shooter. Many people there are industry professionals, special forces types, one guy did ship security during the Somali pirate phase a few years ago. Of course not everyone but a lot. They're more into what works and not what's cheap and goes bang. In other words. Battle proven. People that are on there, myself included, look at firearms as tools and buy what's been proven. The owner, or one of, was a member here. Hes also a gun store owner and competitor. Hasn't been on in a long time. There was one AR topic that ran into the tens of pages where he tried explain why there's a standard what it means (for those who care) and so on. All he got was "an AR is an AR" and "I'm not a soldier"

Theyre very direct because they try to keep it from turning into ARFcom

That site, light fighter and pistol forum. Is where you'll find a lot of knowledge equipment, gear, ammo, experience in different firearms and brands with high round counts
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[Moe Mentum]

It would make more sense to build your AR, instead of buying an entry level rifle , and changing all the parts...

[WR Moore]

Frankly, I think I smell a troll in the original post. That said:

Originally Posted by KSDeputy

You get what you pay for.

Not necessarily. Anything built to a price point may have short comings-depending upon your usage and needs. On the other hand, there are many instances where you're paying a premium price for name. Sometimes, you're paying for name after the quality departed decades ago.

AR's are like cars. NO ONE makes all the parts and there are Rolls Royces, Buggattis, Chevy's, Fords, and........Yugos.

You pick your item according to your needs and wallet.

NO! it doesn't make sense (or cents) to build your own. Unless you buy a kit from a source with known good QC, you've no clue the quality of what parts you buy. Assuming you buy quality parts, not the cheapest, then buy the tools & gauges you need, you've spent as much, or more, than you would have if you'd bought a complete rifle. Plus, you don't have a warranty.

[JaPes]

Originally Posted by powwowell

What parts would you change out, to make this a top of the line AR15?

Just about everything. If you want top of the line, pony up the dough to buy top of the line from the get go.

Originally Posted by powwowell

For an occasional shooter, why won't the factory version last a life time?

Who says it won't? Barrel life is ~10K rounds of brass case copper FMJ, about 1/2 that shooting steel case bi-metal jacketed ammo. Most people never come close to shooting 10,000 rounds of ammo through their rifle in a year, let alone 5 or 6.

Say you shoot Wolf Gold, brass case, copper FMJ ammo. $279.90 per case of 1K rounds. Call it $300 per case of 1K rounds shipped.

$300 X 10 = $3,000

Originally Posted by powwowell

Is it's accuracy not acceptable? Can't get the job done?

Accuracy out to 100yd, 200yd, 300yd? What is acceptable to you? Are you expecting sub moa out of a design who's primary goal is combat accuracy?

The 15-Sport has excellent potential for accuracy. It's the nut behind the trigger that usually decreases any given firearm's potential for accuracy.

[Disabled1]

Originally Posted by Arik

Lol I know which you mean. I'm a member there. It's not geared towards the casual shooter. Many people there are industry professionals, special forces types, one guy did ship security during the Somali pirate phase a few years ago. Of course not everyone but a lot. They're more into what works and not what's cheap and goes bang. In other words. Battle proven. People that are on there, myself included, look at firearms as tools and buy what's been proven. The owner, or one of, was a member here. Hes also a gun store owner and competitor. Hasn't been on in a long time. There was one AR topic that ran into the tens of pages where he tried explain why there's a standard what it means (for those who care) and so on. All he got was "an AR is an AR" and "I'm not a soldier"

Theyre very direct because they try to keep it from turning into ARFcom

That site, light fighter and pistol forum. Is where you'll find a lot of knowledge equipment, gear, ammo, experience in different firearms and brands with high round counts
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I'm a "LURKER" over there. But man, I have seen some new members come in there and ask some stupid Q?'s. And, the end results were not pretty! I bet some of the seasoned members there actually make those new members cry!

[C J]

The only thing I think is a must change on the Sport is the handguard. You will want to add one that has a heat shield. I can live with everything else on the rifle. I would like a better trigger but I manage to shoot mine accurately with the stock trigger. By accurately I mean 5" groups at about 140 yards, which is the farthest I've shot mine and that's shooting standing up with no rest of any kind. Any rifle that will shoot that well without a rest is accurate enough for me.

BTW there are a lot of great guns that aren't expensive. Savage 12 rifles for example. They sell for around $1200 but they have been used to win international competitions against custom built rifles that cost 4-5 times as much. Here's a report on them winning an F T/R competition a few years back.

Savage Arms : News

[vonn]

Only rifles that I have not modified belonged to my Uncle Sam and if parts would have been available might have even changed them up. Good triggers are always appreciated.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Originally Posted by JaPes

J
Say you shoot Wolf Gold, brass case, copper FMJ ammo. $279.90 per case of 1K rounds. Call it $300 per case of 1K rounds shipped.

$300 X 10 = $3,000

That is an excellent illustration of how insignificant the cost of the rifle can be compared to ongoing shooting costs.

Doesn't matter if the rifle began as a $500 Sport or whatever. A trigger or muzzle device or handguard or whatever you want to improve performance or simple enjoyment... the cost will be dwarfed by ongoing shooting costs if the rifle sees much daylight.
And these type of 'upgrades' or to otherwise better suit the operator apply to ARs across the spectrum, from inexpensive to more pricey rifles. The notion that the Sport is somehow unworthy or a mistaken purchase to install a $200 trigger or $150 handguard or $100 muzzle device is something I don't subscribe to.

Yes, in a perfect world it would be best to buy a rifle precisely how the operator wants it and not replace any parts. But really, how much does the factory handguard increase the price of the Sport, $5? FCG, A2 flash hider and front sight? Hardly something to lose sleep over the price of a couple loaded magazines. Besides, most newbies don't know what they want in a rifle until they get their hands on one. Buy a couple AR specific tools and be set for life to swap parts and configure the AR platform how ya want.

[agksimon]

Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

Besides, most newbies don't know what they want in a rifle until they get their hands on one.

This also goes for people of all experience levels. I've had AR's before I bought my M&P Sport 2, optics ready, but after getting it, I did a lot of research and tried other people's AR's and decided to make some changes, such as Magpul furniture, ambidextrous parts (lefty) trigger springs, etc. I even thought about adding a Magpul angled foregrip, but after trying one, it realized it's not for me.

[powwowell]

Thanks for everyone's input. I'm an older fellow (to old to soldier ; ), and I hope to make my Sport II rifle, my last AR15 rifle. I suppose I wanted one because everyone else has one. Your replies have convinced me that I didn't buy a second rate rifle, that I got decent value for my money.

[Disabled1]

Originally Posted by Moe Mentum

It would make more sense to build your AR, instead of buying an entry level rifle , and changing all the parts...

Some entry level AR's are already good enough, almost. They just need a little bit of "TINKERING" and/or "TWEAKING" to get them just right. Well, that's just my opinion anyway.

[Dad_Roman]

What's Wrong With the M&P Sport II Rifle?

Nothing....

Bought ours for the same reasons above in the Colt argument...bought it cause it says M&P on it

...nuff said.

[Disabled1]

Originally Posted by Dad_Roman

Nothing....

Bought ours for the same reasons above in the Colt argument...bought it cause it says M&P on it

...nuff said.

Really now!
Then, explain that PM you sent me about how you REALLY wanted a RUGER because it had that big bold American eagle on it, but had to settle for an M&P.

[Dad_Roman]

Originally Posted by Disabled1

Really now!
Then, explain that PM you sent me about how you REALLY wanted a RUGER because it had that big bold American eagle on it, but had to settle for an M&P.

Fugetdat! Everybody knows Spikes got the coolie cool lowers with the Punisher on em!

I do kinda like the Tactical S*** (stuff?) logo though

(sorry mods, I cant help thats the name of the company)

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Originally Posted by Dad_Roman

(sorry mods, I cant help thats the name of the company)

Understood.

I got an American Precision Arms muzzle brake Gen2 Little *******.

Just let the Forum word filter do its thing...

[WVSig]

Originally Posted by hdwhit

Interesting.

After reading what Colt users had to say on the Colt forum, I was leading towards the S&W, but the deciding factor was when I read what the Army had to say about Colt.



You admittedly know nothing about the M&P-15 and yet you dismiss it with that adage. Shame on you.

But let's look at that adage objectively. You got a rifle that was in every functional aspect the same as the M&P-15 and then you paid Colt to engrave a pony on the side of it. Glad you're satisfied with your engraved rifle. For my part, I chose to skip buying the artwork and spend the money on ammunition.

I disagree with this statement to an extent. The M&P is functionally the same if you are going to a square range and shooting targets that don't shoot back. When you can clean your rifle after shooting it everytime. Where if you have a major parts failure you and put it in your range bag call S&W get a call tag send it in for repair. Where if a small part breaks you pack up and go home for the day or you shoots something else for the rest of the range session.

If you believe that your life depends on your AR15 of choice and you want proven battle tested reliability the Colt is an excellent choice IMHO. When you think about the difference in cost between the Colt 6920 and a Sport II these days we are talking about $300 give or take which in the long run if you shoot your AR15 regularly is a drop in the bucket. We are talking about 1000 rounds of Wolf Gold for piece of mind. I am not saying everyone needs to or will use their rifle to the extreme but if you do the Colt has proven time and time again it will keep up. Can the S&w Sport II say the same?

Sorry but the S&W is not battle tested. The Colt is. The Colt has been deployed all over the world in the harshest conditions and it has held up as a platform. This does not mean that none have ever failed. It also does not mean that the S&W couldn't do the same but in my mind this makes the 2 rifles different. One has a proven track record as a battle rifle one has a great rep for punching paper at the local range. You won't even see many people trusting or using a Sport II to run games like 3 gun, which is more due to configuration than anything else.

Also the Sport II does not hold its value as well as a Colt. Colts hold their value better than other production guns in the same category. This is true of AR15s and Colt 1911s. You might not see value in that Prancing Pony but the market as a whole does.

[Arik]

Originally Posted by WVSig

I disagree with this statement to an extent. The M&P is functionally the same if you are going to a square range and shooting targets that don't shoot back. When you can clean your rifle after shooting it everytime. Where if you have a major parts failure you and put it in your range bag call S&W get a call tag send it in for repair. Where if a small part breaks you pack up and go home for the day or you shoots something else for the rest of the range session.

If you believe that your life depends on your AR15 of choice and you want proven battle tested reliability the Colt is an excellent choice IMHO. When you think about the difference in cost between the Colt 6920 and a Sport II these days we are talking about $300 give or take which in the long run if you shoot your AR15 regularly is a drop in the bucket. We are talking about 1000 rounds of Wolf Gold for piece of mind. I am not saying everyone needs to or will use their rifle to the extreme but if you do the Colt has proven time and time again it will keep up. Can the S&w Sport II say the same?

Sorry but the S&W is not battle tested. The Colt is. The Colt has been deployed all over the world in the harshest conditions and it has held up as a platform. This does not mean that none have ever failed. It also does not mean that the S&W couldn't do the same but in my mind this makes the 2 rifles different. One has a proven track record as a battle rifle one has a great rep for punching paper at the local range. You won't even see many people trusting or using a Sport II to run games like 3 gun, which is more due to configuration than anything else.

Also the Sport II does not hold its value as well as a Colt. Colts hold their value better than other production guns in the same category. This is true of AR15s and Colt 1911s. You might not see value in that Pranching Pony but the market as a whole does.

1000%

Reason why both my ARs are Colts. For their track record. We can argue fit and finish and what not but both my Colts rattled around the truncks of police cars before I bought them. The difference in price between them and a new S&W was roughly around $70

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[KSDeputy]

I had two Colt AR rifles before I bought my Colt LE 6940. I spoke at great length with a soldier who was deployed in Afganistan, about this rifle, which is a civilian model of our current battle rifle. Based on what he told me is why I spent a great deal of extra money for the Colt.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The OP asked about his M&P, not for a lecture and military history lesson about Colt rifles, pros or cons.

This is the M&P section. We've got an entire section dedicated to other brands. http://smith-wessonforum.com/firearm...-other-brands/