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Old 05-14-2017, 01:33 PM
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Hey folks, sometime in the hopefully near future Id like to replace the stock handgaurd on my Sport ll without breaking the bank. I like the look and slimness of the UTG Super Slim drop in rail, but I also like the classic look of the UTG quad rail. I plan to mount a BCM vertical grip and mounted flashlight on whatever rail I end up choosing. Does anyone have any pros/cons or info on these 2 rails or other competitive options in the $50ish price range? Im not a big fan of the Magpul rails, looking for a rail that locks up tight withought having to sell my first born. Thanks guys!
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Old 05-14-2017, 02:23 PM
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UTG = air soft accessory's. Save your money for a hand guard equal to the quality of the one that came with your gun. Midway has a good selection for ARs. Buy a decent one the first time And you won't have to replace it cheaper that way.
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The only gun I would use UTG parts on is an air rifle.
There are two different lines of UTG products... UTG and UTG Pro, with the Pro being made in the USA with a higher level of QA. From most accounts online, the Pro line seems to be decent for those who are looking for intermediate price range.

OP, There are very few drop in rails that will lock up tight without wiggle... just the nature of the beast when it comes to drop in.
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UTG = air soft accessory's.
Several years ago I would have agreed with you. Times change and manufacturers improve. UTG has stepped up the quality of their stuff. Sure they still sell super cheap stuff, but if it's sold for the AR line of guns, it's proven durable.

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This rifle has a UTG Super Slim Pro free float forearm on it. It has 3,066 rounds through it. It has seen some hard use. In all of that, the forearm has never come loose or given me any problems what-so-ever.

Are there better forearms? Maybe, but this one has proven its metal to me.

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Take your time with this decision. The common phrase, "buy once, cry once" applies here. If you spend $90 on a drop in forearm, you'll have a forearm that is only a little better than what you have now. Chances are you'll use it for a while and end up replacing it again. Spend $180 on a Super Slim Pro free float forearm and you'll dramatically improve the function.
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Thanks for all the info guys. From what I gather it is not worth spending upwards of $50 for a sub-par handgaurd that is no better than the original. Since Iam not in a financial place to free float, I think I will go with the Magpul Moe. Even though Im not crazy about it, once its on Im sure I will value the functionality.

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Save your money. The Magpul MOE won't make it any easier to add the accessories you want. You'll need to buy some attachment points or add picatinny rails to the MOE anyway.
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The only downside I've seen on the UTG Pro stuff is its heavier than the more expensive stuff. My cousin had a UTG Pro drop in that was solid and never moved. Granted thats my experience with it, but a lot of people will poo on it because it doesn't cost $200. Much like they do with optics that don't say Aimpoint or Eotech.
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Old 05-15-2017, 06:28 AM
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I have the UTG pro just as good as the other drop in ones but less money..
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Old 05-16-2017, 01:39 AM
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My cousin got the UTG Pro drop in, I got the Daniel Defense EZ Car drop in. He paid about $60, I paid about $145. Mine is a little lighter and says Daniel Defense on the side of it. Other than that, they are both hunks of aluminum in a similar shape. A lot of times lesser expensive things will lack in function over the more expensive options. This is not one of those cases. Its a quad rail, as long as it stays in place, there isn't much else to say about it.
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Thanks for all the info guys. From what I gather it is not worth spending upwards of $50 for a sub-par handgaurd that is no better than the original. Since Iam not in a financial place to free float, I think I will go with the Magpul Moe. Even though Im not crazy about it, once its on Im sure I will value the functionality.
I'm not a fan of the magpul MOE hand guard either, if it's not what you want then don't get it. Chances are a month after you get it you'll see something you like and now you'll have a collection of unused parts sitting around.

The quad rail I use is the Mission First Tactical(MFT) TEKKO 7", it's lightweight and has 4 integrated QD mounting points.

It can be found from $80-120 depending where you look, but MFT is good quality parts. I also have their minimalist buttstock.

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Old 05-16-2017, 10:26 AM
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The Magpul MOE won't make it any easier to add the accessories you want. You'll need to buy some attachment points or add picatinny rails to the MOE anyway.
I thought it was plenty easy to mount a rail on a MOE grip. I did just that and haven't had any problems at all. The rail wasn't expensive either. I have less than $50 in the combination and it seems as stable as any of the other AR's I've shot with the possible exception of an AR-10 I shot once. I assumed that had to be stronger to deal with the extra weight.

I should add I didn't use an MOE rail. I bought another rail that attached with 3 screws through the MOE holes. It seems really stable to me.

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Old 05-16-2017, 12:03 PM
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I'm not a fan of the magpul MOE hand guard either, if it's not what you want then don't get it. Chances are a month after you get it you'll see something you like and now you'll have a collection of unused parts sitting around.

The quad rail I use is the Mission First Tactical(MFT) TEKKO 7", it's lightweight and has 4 integrated QD mounting points.

It can be found from $80-120 depending where you look, but MFT is good quality parts. I also have their minimalist buttstock.

Nice looking triples there. I see the DD on the left and the Sport on the right, so what's in the middle?

And yes, MFT does make quality stuff. I have the minimalist stock on my Noveske and like it a lot....especially with some paracord to eliminate the "hook" on it.

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Nice looking triples there. I see the DD on the left and the Sport on the right, so what's in the middle?

And yes, MFT does make quality stuff. I have the minimalist stock on my Noveske and like it a lot....especially with some paracord to eliminate the "hook" on it.

The middle is a 16" BCM, here it is next to my DD M4V11 PRO

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The middle is a 16" BCM, here it is next to my DD M4V11 PRO

Great picture, great rifles!

Ah, a Phase 5 bolt catch too.....I love those, they are on all my rifles.
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Great picture, great rifles!

Ah, a Phase 5 bolt catch too.....I love those, they are on all my rifles.
Just installed it yesterday, the Magpul BAD bolt catch gets in the way of the trigger pins so I gave the phase 5 a try. Fits and functions perfect, worth the extra coin!
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If a flat trigger is installed does the Phase 5 give enough room for your finger ??

Do any of the bad levers if you have a flat trigger ????
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If a flat trigger is installed does the Phase 5 give enough room for your finger ??

Do any of the bad levers if you have a flat trigger ????
All of my triggers are curved, but the phase 5 definitely takes some of your finger room. With the Magpul BAD I don't even know it's there until I need it.
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If a flat trigger is installed does the Phase 5 give enough room for your finger ??

Do any of the bad levers if you have a flat trigger ????
I have the Phase Five lever and a CMC Flat trigger and I had to bend the phase 5 a bit with two pairs of pliers to make it work with my finger. I don't think it would work with gloves.
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Just added a UTG extended rail. Wanted to keep the iron sites just in case. By the way, this is my first Ar15 build.

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Just added a UTG extended rail. Wanted to keep the iron sites just in case. By the way, this is my first Ar15 build.
I really like that! At the range this last weekend I kept hitting my index finger on my bayonet stud that was really hot, does the stud still protrude below your rail?
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Just added a UTG extended rail. Wanted to keep the iron sites just in case. By the way, this is my first Ar15 build.
If they would make one of these with M-Lok and be slim, I would probably put one on my Sport...
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I really like that! At the range this last weekend I kept hitting my index finger on my bayonet stud that was really hot, does the stud still protrude below your rail?
It's a 3 piece rail system. The top part is slotted out to go over the iron sight and the bottom is in 2 parts. It split to let the sling ring stick out and the front part covers the bayonet stud. I wanted the extra in front to hold the bipod stand and extend the front foregrip to where it's comfortable to hold when I am standing. Going to the range this weekend to sight in the scope and to see how it shots.

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If they would make one of these with M-Lok and be slim, I would probably put one on my Sport...
They have M-loc and slim models
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They have M-loc and slim models
I've seen those, but not in person... wish they would combine the two... put M-Lok on the slim. The M-Lok one looks chunky in the pics.
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I was wrong, the keymod style is made by VISM. I've been watching youtube vids and looking at pics all morning and got that one confused.
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From what I gather it is not worth spending upwards of $50 for a sub-par handgaurd that is no better than the original.
That was the conclusion I reached. Both of my Sport IIs are still completely stock.
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That was the conclusion I reached. Both of my Sport IIs are still completely stock.
My Sport is still stock as well, but I think it would be difficult to find a handguard that is not any better than the one on the Sport rifles... even the M4 handguard with heat shields are better.
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