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Old 05-14-2017, 01:33 PM
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Hey folks, sometime in the hopefully near future Id like to replace the stock handgaurd on my Sport ll without breaking the bank. I like the look and slimness of the UTG Super Slim drop in rail, but I also like the classic look of the UTG quad rail. I plan to mount a BCM vertical grip and mounted flashlight on whatever rail I end up choosing. Does anyone have any pros/cons or info on these 2 rails or other competitive options in the $50ish price range? Im not a big fan of the Magpul rails, looking for a rail that locks up tight withought having to sell my first born. Thanks guys!
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UTG = air soft accessory's. Save your money for a hand guard equal to the quality of the one that came with your gun. Midway has a good selection for ARs. Buy a decent one the first time And you won't have to replace it cheaper that way.
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The only gun I would use UTG parts on is an air rifle.
There are two different lines of UTG products... UTG and UTG Pro, with the Pro being made in the USA with a higher level of QA. From most accounts online, the Pro line seems to be decent for those who are looking for intermediate price range.

OP, There are very few drop in rails that will lock up tight without wiggle... just the nature of the beast when it comes to drop in.
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UTG = air soft accessory's.
Several years ago I would have agreed with you. Times change and manufacturers improve. UTG has stepped up the quality of their stuff. Sure they still sell super cheap stuff, but if it's sold for the AR line of guns, it's proven durable.

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This rifle has a UTG Super Slim Pro free float forearm on it. It has 3,066 rounds through it. It has seen some hard use. In all of that, the forearm has never come loose or given me any problems what-so-ever.

Are there better forearms? Maybe, but this one has proven its metal to me.

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Take your time with this decision. The common phrase, "buy once, cry once" applies here. If you spend $90 on a drop in forearm, you'll have a forearm that is only a little better than what you have now. Chances are you'll use it for a while and end up replacing it again. Spend $180 on a Super Slim Pro free float forearm and you'll dramatically improve the function.
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Thanks for all the info guys. From what I gather it is not worth spending upwards of $50 for a sub-par handgaurd that is no better than the original. Since Iam not in a financial place to free float, I think I will go with the Magpul Moe. Even though Im not crazy about it, once its on Im sure I will value the functionality.

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Save your money. The Magpul MOE won't make it any easier to add the accessories you want. You'll need to buy some attachment points or add picatinny rails to the MOE anyway.
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The only downside I've seen on the UTG Pro stuff is its heavier than the more expensive stuff. My cousin had a UTG Pro drop in that was solid and never moved. Granted thats my experience with it, but a lot of people will poo on it because it doesn't cost $200. Much like they do with optics that don't say Aimpoint or Eotech.
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I have the UTG pro just as good as the other drop in ones but less money..
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Old 05-16-2017, 01:39 AM
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My cousin got the UTG Pro drop in, I got the Daniel Defense EZ Car drop in. He paid about $60, I paid about $145. Mine is a little lighter and says Daniel Defense on the side of it. Other than that, they are both hunks of aluminum in a similar shape. A lot of times lesser expensive things will lack in function over the more expensive options. This is not one of those cases. Its a quad rail, as long as it stays in place, there isn't much else to say about it.
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Thanks for all the info guys. From what I gather it is not worth spending upwards of $50 for a sub-par handgaurd that is no better than the original. Since Iam not in a financial place to free float, I think I will go with the Magpul Moe. Even though Im not crazy about it, once its on Im sure I will value the functionality.
I'm not a fan of the magpul MOE hand guard either, if it's not what you want then don't get it. Chances are a month after you get it you'll see something you like and now you'll have a collection of unused parts sitting around.

The quad rail I use is the Mission First Tactical(MFT) TEKKO 7", it's lightweight and has 4 integrated QD mounting points.

It can be found from $80-120 depending where you look, but MFT is good quality parts. I also have their minimalist buttstock.

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Old 05-16-2017, 10:26 AM
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The Magpul MOE won't make it any easier to add the accessories you want. You'll need to buy some attachment points or add picatinny rails to the MOE anyway.
I thought it was plenty easy to mount a rail on a MOE grip. I did just that and haven't had any problems at all. The rail wasn't expensive either. I have less than $50 in the combination and it seems as stable as any of the other AR's I've shot with the possible exception of an AR-10 I shot once. I assumed that had to be stronger to deal with the extra weight.

I should add I didn't use an MOE rail. I bought another rail that attached with 3 screws through the MOE holes. It seems really stable to me.

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I'm not a fan of the magpul MOE hand guard either, if it's not what you want then don't get it. Chances are a month after you get it you'll see something you like and now you'll have a collection of unused parts sitting around.

The quad rail I use is the Mission First Tactical(MFT) TEKKO 7", it's lightweight and has 4 integrated QD mounting points.

It can be found from $80-120 depending where you look, but MFT is good quality parts. I also have their minimalist buttstock.

Nice looking triples there. I see the DD on the left and the Sport on the right, so what's in the middle?

And yes, MFT does make quality stuff. I have the minimalist stock on my Noveske and like it a lot....especially with some paracord to eliminate the "hook" on it.

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Nice looking triples there. I see the DD on the left and the Sport on the right, so what's in the middle?

And yes, MFT does make quality stuff. I have the minimalist stock on my Noveske and like it a lot....especially with some paracord to eliminate the "hook" on it.

The middle is a 16" BCM, here it is next to my DD M4V11 PRO

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The middle is a 16" BCM, here it is next to my DD M4V11 PRO

Great picture, great rifles!

Ah, a Phase 5 bolt catch too.....I love those, they are on all my rifles.
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Great picture, great rifles!

Ah, a Phase 5 bolt catch too.....I love those, they are on all my rifles.
Just installed it yesterday, the Magpul BAD bolt catch gets in the way of the trigger pins so I gave the phase 5 a try. Fits and functions perfect, worth the extra coin!
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If a flat trigger is installed does the Phase 5 give enough room for your finger ??

Do any of the bad levers if you have a flat trigger ????
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If a flat trigger is installed does the Phase 5 give enough room for your finger ??

Do any of the bad levers if you have a flat trigger ????
All of my triggers are curved, but the phase 5 definitely takes some of your finger room. With the Magpul BAD I don't even know it's there until I need it.
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If a flat trigger is installed does the Phase 5 give enough room for your finger ??

Do any of the bad levers if you have a flat trigger ????
I have the Phase Five lever and a CMC Flat trigger and I had to bend the phase 5 a bit with two pairs of pliers to make it work with my finger. I don't think it would work with gloves.
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Just added a UTG extended rail. Wanted to keep the iron sites just in case. By the way, this is my first Ar15 build.

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Just added a UTG extended rail. Wanted to keep the iron sites just in case. By the way, this is my first Ar15 build.
I really like that! At the range this last weekend I kept hitting my index finger on my bayonet stud that was really hot, does the stud still protrude below your rail?
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Just added a UTG extended rail. Wanted to keep the iron sites just in case. By the way, this is my first Ar15 build.
If they would make one of these with M-Lok and be slim, I would probably put one on my Sport...
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I really like that! At the range this last weekend I kept hitting my index finger on my bayonet stud that was really hot, does the stud still protrude below your rail?
It's a 3 piece rail system. The top part is slotted out to go over the iron sight and the bottom is in 2 parts. It split to let the sling ring stick out and the front part covers the bayonet stud. I wanted the extra in front to hold the bipod stand and extend the front foregrip to where it's comfortable to hold when I am standing. Going to the range this weekend to sight in the scope and to see how it shots.

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If they would make one of these with M-Lok and be slim, I would probably put one on my Sport...
They have M-loc and slim models
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They have M-loc and slim models
I've seen those, but not in person... wish they would combine the two... put M-Lok on the slim. The M-Lok one looks chunky in the pics.
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I was wrong, the keymod style is made by VISM. I've been watching youtube vids and looking at pics all morning and got that one confused.
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I bought the cheap seats then covered them up. Who's going to know? Better yet, who's going to care?
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From what I gather it is not worth spending upwards of $50 for a sub-par handgaurd that is no better than the original.
That was the conclusion I reached. Both of my Sport IIs are still completely stock.
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That was the conclusion I reached. Both of my Sport IIs are still completely stock.
My Sport is still stock as well, but I think it would be difficult to find a handguard that is not any better than the one on the Sport rifles... even the M4 handguard with heat shields are better.
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Added a mission first rail to my sport Il .

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That's one of the few things I've changed on my Sport. I didn't have to spend a lot of money to get a better one for sure. The rifle is still a bargain even though replacing the hand guard is something I would suggest for everyone.
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I decided I really like the look of the extended rails that go past the FSP, ordered a Troy Charlie BattleRail 2 Piece Drop In. I'll post pics when it gets here. Non related to hand guards, but I also put the stock charging handle back on my sport II so I could use my raptor on a build I was finishing.

The stock CH is horrible, I don't understand how anyone could leave these rifles completely stock? The point of the AR is that it's meant to be modular, anyways I also ordered a Geissele charging handle to try out with my sport II.

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The stock CH is horrible, I don't understand how anyone could leave these rifles completely stock? The point of the AR is that it's meant to be modular...
How could I leave mine stock? Because it simply works as is, right out of the box. Modular doesn't mean you need to replace every part just because you can.

If I am going to throw a lot of money towards changing features on a Sport, well, I would just buy the rifle that already had the features I wanted on it.
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How could I leave mine stock? Because it simply works as is, right out of the box. Modular doesn't mean you need to replace every part just because you can.

If I am going to throw a lot of money towards changing features on a Sport, well, I would just buy the rifle that already had the features I wanted on it.
Exactly! If you are not going to hang a light, sling, a cheese grater and hostage extractor from a rail then there is no need to replace the handguards on a Sport II. If you buy a RD like a Aimpoint Pro and 1/3 co-witness there is no need to replace the A2 front post.

If you need to replace all of that stuff on a Sport II maybe you should buy a different rifle. IMHO YMMV
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Exactly! If you are not going to hang a light, sling, a cheese grater and hostage extractor from a rail then there is no need to replace the handguards on a Sport II. If you buy a RD like a Aimpoint Pro and 1/3 co-witness there is no need to replace the A2 front post.

If you need to replace all of that stuff on a Sport II maybe you should buy a different rifle. IMHO YMMV
The hand guard I ordered has the hole for the A2 front post, and my sport II already has an aimpoint pro and a light.

I have different rifles, one rifle length gas, one mid length gas, a carbine (my sport II), and a pistol length.

I've never been one to "settle" with all stock on anything. I'm a gear head and love to mod my stuff.

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If I am going to throw a lot of money towards changing features on a Sport, well, I would just buy the rifle that already had the features I wanted on it.
They don't sell a rifle with all the features I want already installed.....
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You will like the Geissele. I've got a Sig M400 that cost, well, about $700 more than my Sport II. And I changed the charging handle on it as well. Because its a stock charging handle, I wanted a different one, I had the money for it, so the heck with it. It has a BCM ambi on it. That my lesser handle. My Sport II has the Noveske (Geissele) Super BA on it (better in my opinion). Did the stock ones work on both rifles? Yep. Do I like these better? Yep.

Some people buy Kia's, some buy Mercedes. Does it matter? Well, if you aren't going bankrupt and you want it, then no.

In the end, get what you want. Who gives a rat what someone else thinks. Pink Corvette? Yeah, I'll call you stupid, but why should you care?

But yes, you will like the Geissele. Very smooth release from either side. My BCM is a finger pinching S0B.
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Who is "they"? A lot more manufactures out there than just S&W. And even if there is not one exactly like you want, I bet there are several that start off closer than the Sport.

I get it, you like to play with yours like it is a Lego set. Nothing wrong with that. I like the simplicity and no frills of the Sport. Nothing wrong with that either. Mine is a Sport I as well, so I don't even have an ejection port cover or forward assist. Just don't feel compelled to change a thing on that rifle.
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Then you should build it from the ground up vs paying for parts you are not going to use. IMHO but whatever works for you works for me. After all you are not spending my money. Tweaking small parts here and there makes sense and everyone does it what does not make sense to me is things like rails. It is too easy to get a OEM style rifle or one with the rail you want on the upper of your choice to buy something like the Sport II and immediately modify it.

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Who is "they"? A lot more manufactures out there than just S&W. And even if there is not one exactly like you want, I bet there are several that start off closer than the Sport.

I get it, you like to play with yours like it is a Lego set. Nothing wrong with that. I like the simplicity and no frills of the Sport. Nothing wrong with that either. Mine is a Sport I as well, so I don't even have an ejection port cover or forward assist. Just don't feel compelled to change a thing on that rifle.
"They" would be any rifle manufacturer, That why my sport II is my first and only complete factory built rifle. My other three where built or assembled by me only using tier 1 parts I wanted.

My sport II is a good rifle and is getting to were I think it should be, but I also have a "take-off parts" pile now.

List so far:
pistol grip
butt stock
hand guard
trigger
flash hider
charging handle

All of these parts "worked", just not very well.

What I don't understand, is why owners that chose not to modify their sports feel they have to come onto the threads that are clearly started for the owners who want to modify their rifles?
Is a post count thing or do you really think posting on these threads is going to convert any of us to keeping our rifles stock?

I ask only in the spirit of good fun and not to hurt feelings.

Also, keeping with the threads intent my new Troy hand guard will be here in two days if the the OP is still in the market for something new.
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Then you should build it from the ground up vs paying for parts you are not going to use. IMHO but whatever works for you works for me. After all you are not spending my money. Tweaking small parts here and there makes sense and everyone does it what does not make sense to me is things like rails. It is too easy to get a OEM style rifle or one with the rail you want on the upper of your choice to buy something like the Sport II and immediately modify it.
All of this is correct, but my sport II was the first AR I ever bought and owned so it was a learning lesson. After that I have build all my other rifles.

Having carried a plain colt in the military for many years it's nice to be able to customize my rifles the way I want them.
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"They" would be any rifle manufacturer, That why my sport II is my first and only complete factory built rifle. My other three where built or assembled by me only using tier 1 parts I wanted.

My sport II is a good rifle and is getting to were I think it should be, but I also have a "take-off parts" pile now.

List so far:
pistol grip
butt stock
hand guard
trigger
flash hider
charging handle

All of these parts "worked", just not very well.

What I don't understand, is why owners that chose not to modify their sports feel they have to come onto the threads that are clearly started for the owners who want to modify their rifles?
Is a post count thing or do you really think posting on these threads is going to convert any of us to keeping our rifles stock?

I ask only in the spirit of good fun and not to hurt feelings.

Also, keeping with the threads intent my new Troy hand guard will be here in two days if the the OP is still in the market for something new.
I know you are not replying to me but I will take a stab at it. Too often the people who are asking about about modifying a budget rifle like the Sport II are not doing it from a use standpoint. They do not have an intended purpose for the rifle which is dictating the choices they are making when modifying the rifle. There is not specific task that the rifle is not able to do that is driving the change. Its not a shortcoming which they have discovered after extensive range time.

A lot of the people buying a Sport II have not shot the platform enough to know what the rifle can and cannot do in its stock form. When you pay $500 for a NIB rifle but have not shot at least few thousands of rounds, $450 to $700 worth of ammo, how do you know what needs to be changed? They are making changes because marketing and other shooters are telling them they "need" to. Some shooters choose to tell new shooters they don't "need" to do anything but shoot the gun.

This may not apply to you but it applies to the vast majority of those buying budget entry level rifles who then modify them. More experienced AR15 shooters then ask why are you modifying the rifle? Most of the time the mods fall into 3 categories.

The way the rifle looks is the major reason I see on this forum. They want to remove the A2 post. They want a rail so that it looks cooler. The GI stock and grip are not tactical cool enough so they must go. It is not a matter of function. It is a matter of looks. They for some reason bought a rifle which does not match their mental image of what an AR15 should look like.

The second it that it has been drilled incorrectly IMHO that you must accessorize all AR15s. They need hang a light, a sling and scope and handstop etc... so they need a rail. Too often the buyer does not know how to use the things they are buying but they need them. They weight down their rifle with stuff making it less functional for anything but bench shooting which the Sport II carbine style rifle really was never meant for. IMHO

Finally there are some real functional changes that are use based. Sometimes grips, stock, trigger and even handguards simply do not work for the user and they need to change to something else but IMHO this is the minority.

I think a lot of experienced AR15 shooters are trying to tell newer shooters of the platform to shoot the basic platform so that the changes you make are based on use and knowledge not marketing. For example too many people swap a trigger before they learn how to shoot a GI style trigger well. I am a big fan of ditching the inconsistent stock triggers on ARs but I always shoot them before I do it. Some end up staying. Most still get replaced not because I cannot shoot them but instead because I know I can shoot a different trigger better but it is my time on the stock triggers that gives me a proper frame of reference. It is not just marketing.

Trust me I know because I have gone that route but started with a much more expensive starting point. Mine was a Colt LEO marked 6920 years ago. So when I comment and say leave it alone I am stating it from a point of experience and knowledge not to bump my post count.

I give the same type of recommendations when it comes to custom 1911s and other custom guns. Shoot the gun learn the platform. Learn what you works for you and what doesn't and then make changes. In the world of 1911s I always have a bone stock Colt 70 series gun in the safe as a frame of reference. It is the baseline of my 1911 shooting and they help me choose what to change on other guns. Often I will take the 70 series gun and shoot it with its small sights and stock trigger at it amazes me what it can do.

I reply the way I do because I am trying to help people not make the mistakes, sometimes costly mistakes, I have made in the past.

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What I don't understand, is why owners that chose not to modify their sports feel they have to come onto the threads that are clearly started for the owners who want to modify their rifles?
Is a post count thing or do you really think posting on these threads is going to convert any of us to keeping our rifles stock?

I ask only in the spirit of good fun and not to hurt feelings.
Well, if you go back and read the thread, I offered some suggestions to the OP... and the hand guard would be the one thing I would consider changing, since the stock ones are cheap. (Actually the second thing, since I ditched the Magpul rear sight).

Just because I have a stock Sport doesn't mean that I don't have other rifles... or experience with aftermarket parts. Been on this board for quite a while and have seen many $1200 Sports...

But you asked how anyone could leave the rifle stock, and I answered your question. To me, the beauty of the Sport is that it is perfectly functional and serviceable right out of the box for a reasonable price. It is a value product... But the way the prices have dropped, I understand why someone would buy it and build on it.
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Then you should build it from the ground up vs paying for parts you are not going to use. IMHO but whatever works for you works for me. After all you are not spending my money. Tweaking small parts here and there makes sense and everyone does it what does not make sense to me is things like rails. It is too easy to get a OEM style rifle or one with the rail you want on the upper of your choice to buy something like the Sport II and immediately modify it.
Only thing, not everyone wants to do that. I didn't.
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Well, if you go back and read the thread, I offered some suggestions to the OP... and the hand guard would be the one thing I would consider changing, since the stock ones are cheap. (Actually the second thing, since I ditched the Magpul rear sight).

Just because I have a stock Sport doesn't mean that I don't have other rifles... or experience with aftermarket parts. Been on this board for quite a while and have seen many $1200 Sports...

But you asked how anyone could leave the rifle stock, and I answered your question. To me, the beauty of the Sport is that it is perfectly functional and serviceable right out of the box for a reasonable price. It is a value product... But the way the prices have dropped, I understand why someone would buy it and build on it.
$1200 Sport. $1200 10/22.

Gives folks something to do. Hobby. Pastime. Some watch baseball and read boxscores. Some blow glass or build birdhouses. Same thing, different catergory. Others like me jack around on forums and drink beer. A loveable lot of losers we are. In someone's eyes probably, but do you enjoy it and does it pass the time? Dang right.

Got me a 3rd 10/22 in a rubber stock with an aluminum shrouded barrel with all kinds of junk on it over the last month and a half. Speed steel gun. Never shot a match with it. The money thats in it could have bought me a Sig 226 probably. Will it shoot 1/4" at 25yds, maybe, probably not consistently. Have I enjoyed the hell out of it the last month. Oh yeah. All that matters in the end. Those lowriding JC Whitney supporting O'Reilly cardholding rice burning Honda fart pipe driving folks probably feel the same way in their genre.
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$1200 Sport. $1200 10/22.

Gives folks something to do. Hobby. Pastime. Some watch baseball and read boxscores. Some blow glass or build birdhouses. Same thing, different catergory. Others like me jack around on forums and drink beer. A loveable lot of losers we are. In someone's eyes probably, but do you enjoy it and does it pass the time? Dang right.

Got me a 3rd 10/22 in a rubber stock with an aluminum shrouded barrel with all kinds of junk on it over the last month and a half. Speed steel gun. Never shot a match with it. The money thats in it could have bought me a Sig 226 probably. Will it shoot 1/4" at 25yds, maybe, probably not consistently. Have I enjoyed the hell out of it the last month. Oh yeah. All that matters in the end. Those lowriding JC Whitney supporting O'Reilly cardholding rice burning Honda fart pipe driving folks probably feel the same way in their genre.
I couldn't agree more!
Among other options for deer hunting, I've got a 30-06, .270, and a .243. Guess what I do most of my deer hunting with every year? Winchester 30-30 mod 94. Is it fancy or as accurate as the others or have as much range? Nope. I have my own reasons for using it and it has served me well for over 30yrs now. So why do I have those other deer rifles? My wife has asked that question a time or two. She knows the answer, but next time she asks, I'm going to show her your post!
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Just installed the Troy, feels great! More room to stretch my arm out and it's a free float that still maintains the A2 front sight. 10 min install.

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How heave is the rail? Looks like it weighs quite a bit with the quad rail. Does it come in keymod or mlok?
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How heave is the rail? Looks like it weighs quite a bit with the quad rail. Does it come in keymod or mlok?
It weighs 11.31 ounces, there is a Delta model that is modular but not key mod or mloc.

This one also maintains the delta ring, no need to cut off like some require.

All I had to do was punch out the sling swivel, so if I want to return it to stock I don't have to buy any replacement parts.
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Just installed the Troy, feels great! More room to stretch my arm out and it's a free float that still maintains the A2 front sight. 10 min install.

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It weighs 11.31 ounces, there is a Delta model that is modular but not key mod or mloc.

This one also maintains the delta ring, no need to cut off like some require.

All I had to do was punch out the sling swivel, so if I want to return it to stock I don't have to buy any replacement parts.
Thank you for the info. It looks like it would work very well. I just prefer other than quad rail. I'll look into the modular version.

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