You can always not take possession of the AR when it gets to your FFL.....always an option.

GUYS, I will try to post some pictures, but my wife's folks got here today from Indiana until Monday. Her Dad doesn't have a pistol, BUT, I think he can HELP talk his daughter into letting me get a gun. I mentioned it and his initial feedback was, he was on board.

Got my AR15

Picked up my Smith & Wesson M&P Sport II Yesterday, May 31st. I PICKED her up yesterday at the PAWN Shop on the way home from work. The shop smells like 1975, and is really old and run down, but the owner was nice and it's $10 COB! Cash on the Barrel...Can't beat that!

S&W just ships it in a little box with some black foam (as you guys know), cheap *******s! But for $499, what can you expect. It's alot smaller than I thought, of course it wasn't extended.

Got home, and my wife had flown in yesterday and was back in town, BUT, not at home when I pulled in, so I brought it upstairs and hid (I know, but what the hell else am I gonna do?) it behind a book case in the corner of my office. Came with a Magazine, and a lock. Haven't really had the chance to do much with it. I'm also seriously thinking of returning the Plano 42" case I bought with the PLINK OUT FOAM for a 36", just more compact and easier to manage. I don't need to put my whole arsenal in the 42" case, so I think I am planning to do that.

Other Goodies:
Also got my Howard Leight Powered Muffs/Headphones from Walk-Mart, great deal at $55, and I got my Bushnell TRS-32 Red Dot Scope, need to send in the 25% rebate!

Tomorrow I have scheduled for delivery my 500 rounds of .223 PMC Ammo coming from Palmetto Armory and (10) of those metal AR15 Magazines, $7.99 each.

Also tomorrow I have 400 more rounds of PMC .223 and 300 rounds of American Eagle 9MM from Cabellas.

Yesterday, I also went to Academy and got the Hoppes No. 9 Gun Cleaning Kit. Doesn't come with a 9MM brush, so I got one of those too and a can of gun spray lube. $24.99 for the kit, Cabellas wanted $39 for the same one. For the money it will allow me to clean both guns, just need to buy more pads.



Safe Update
I finally talked to the Safe Moving Company that I wanted to use. Family owned, good people, and I spoke to owner 25 minutes and knew he was the man for the job. Before price came into play, I talked him through the install and then suggested sending him pictures, so I sent him 20 pictures. After seeing them, he said going through the grass was too dangerous! He is going to go up the stairs (with a powered stair climber dolly) in the garage where safe is located still in the box. Last quote I got from a dude saying he was going to use a Pallet Jack (no thanks) was $350.

This morning after he looked at the pictures, he gave me a Very Fair Quote, and I trust them to be careful and do it right.

Quote was:

$235 to move it inside
$35 to bolt it down
$5 per step (have 4, 5 if you count the top), so $290-$295. I'm good with that!



That's it for now. I think I can get my wife's Dad to help me talk her into allowing me to get a hand gun. I can get it if I want, but don't want to piss her off, especially with a weapon that she feels could hurt our daughter, just need to educate her. But I am just going to worry about the pistol for now. One victory at a time. Then later on, the AR-15 will just appear, Magically, in the safe. I'll say, I've been praying and Jesus must have got it for me, Oh NO.......Someone broke in the safe and they put an AR15 in there, or I'll just tell her, "Happy Anniversary Honey", it's all yours, enjoy!

Then she'll probably give me my button and I'll say, do you mind pinning it on for me? Oh well, a guy can DREAM can't he??????????????

Nice Book Shelf Chief......What's behind that thing, An AR-15 or something? Ha Ha Ha

Well........now that you mention it........

Good luck with that rebate. I just picked up a TRS-25 to add to one of my 15-22s. Got it because the seller advertised it as having a 25% rebate. Went to fill out the online rebate form.

After I filled in the UPC the form said that UPC is not eligible for the rebate.

I got a good deal on it, and I like it, so I'm going to keep it anyway. Evidently red dots aren't included in the rebate.

Yes, but the kit did come with a .30 cal brush and that's the size you need for a 9mm. You can return the 9mm brush. They should have told you that.

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He, he, he. They must sell a lot of those "9mm" brushes.

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I didn't ask, just read some reviews saying, the kit doesn't come with a 9mm brush? I saw a 9mm brush for a few bucks, so I figured the 9mm brush is for a 9mm barrel? It's NOT? Or is the .30 slightly larger and that is what you're supposed to use? I am confused a little.

The guy at the store, must have "BRUSHED" Me Off!

That stinks, still got a great deal, but I am going to re-check just to make sure. I didn't see that it said NO RED DOTS, but I'm sure you are right.

To the OP: The goal with the brush is to have it bigger than the diameter of the bore. The degree of larger isn't particularly significant, within reason. (i.e. if it's too big it'll be tough to push it down the barrel at all). But the brush is bigger than the bore specifically so it'll push up against the inside of the barrel, including the rifling, and scrub it. If you're new to cleaning with a brass brush:
* You never use steel. (Can steel brushes be bought? I presume not.)
* You don't want to change direction of the cleaning rod until the brush has completely exited the barrel. E.g. When cleaning from the rear, make sure the brush completely exits the muzzle before you pull it back through. (And some might say don't pull it back through, but rather unscrew the brush from the rod, pull out the rod, reattach the brush, and push it through back-to-front only. But me.....I pull it front-to-back after I've pushed it back-to-front.)

I'm not following the comment a .30 cal brush will work in 9mm. I couldn't find what the typical actual size of a .30 cal brush is. 9mm is .355 caliber. So I guess what is being said is that a brush that is used to clean a .30 cal is bigger than .355. A more frequent question is whether a brush for a .38 Special/.357 can be used to clean a 9mm. (i.e. A brush designed for a caliber larger than 9mm being used on a 9mm.) And in that scenario my understanding is the answer is 'yes' - that .38/.357 brush is fine in a 9mm.

OR

Sorry, I should have said .38 (.357) cal. Typo on my part.

When you look up that kit, it says, "Includes a 3-piece brass rod, 4 slotted ends, 5 phosphor bronze brushes to fit .22 and .30 caliber rifles, .38 caliber pistols, and 20 and 12 gauge shotguns."

9mm = .354"
A .38cal actually uses .357" diameter bullets.

This means that the kit he bought includes the proper brush. It won't hurt having an extra around. You just don't need it. And you will find that the 9mm brush is exactly the same diameter as a .38/.357 brush.

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You can get steel brushes made for Dremels and for drills but they aren't meant to be used in a gun bore. That doesn't mean some people don't use them anyway. My brother hooked one up to a drill on the end of a cleaning rod and ran it up and down inside the bore of his .22. He said he did it all the time. It sure was clean when he finished and the rifling was still there surprisingly. I guess barrels are pretty tough really since they are made of steel. But that had to shorten the lifespan of his rifles. He didn't care. He just bought a new rifle if he started having accuracy issues. Some people. I wish I had him back so I could laugh at him again over this.

I hear ya fill like lost a few mins of my life reading this haha .really? You fill the need to bolt down a1000lb safe? Mine's 360 empty an with all the firearms an ammo probably pushing about 450-500 I'm guessing. I challenge you to even get it out of the room it's in yet alone the house

If its not bolted it gives the thieves something to concentrate on while you flank their position

It's not about keeping them from carrying it out. It's to prevent the would be thief from tipping it over to get a better angle to pry on the door.

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With all the lugs on that safe it's highly unlikely that safe would be breached he was worried about it being stolen it's all good what ever works for you

You got it into the house, right? If it can be taken into the house by a couple of guys, it can be taken out of the house by a couple of guys.

Thieves steal Lubbock man's safe with about 30 guns inside - KCBD NewsChannel 11 Lubbock

You bolt it down for a number of reasons... to keep thieves from just taking the whole thing, and to keep thieves from moving it to get a better angle to try to pry the door open, or keep them from trying to puncture the steel and peel it away from a corner.

Hey GUYS. Lost a little steam lately on my long, interesting, funny, whitey, and all over the place thread. Ha Ha.

Returned 42" case, not shooting AR15 for a bit. Get to Safe in a minute.

For Father's Day. Yes I'm a tea Father! I was thinking of GUILTING (I mean Asking) my wife to just let me get a gun. I don't want a present. Just let me get a gun. Of course I already have A few. Will report back. If she says NO. I'll say, just don't but me anything then!

I'm making progress on my SAFE. Finally opened up box. Wife was out of town 2 days and My 7 year old daughter convinced me open it. Had to cut metal straps. And take off a bunch off stuff. It's on A wooden pallet but wasn't bolted to it. Found where I'm putting it. I have to cut some things to make it fit and my neighbor has all kinds of wood working tools so he said he'd do it. M

OK First Why Am I BOLTING it down??
I saw some smart answers!

1. Yes if a safe isn't bolted down, a thief can easily flip it on its back and use pry bars to open the door. LEVERAGE!!!! Try prying a door standing up with your hands vs being able to do the same with 4 guys putting all their weight on a pet bar. Still not easy but it can be done. Go LOOK on You Tube and search safe pry bar attacks and you will SEE LIVE it being done by 2 beasts!

2. Bolting down also presents a thief from putting it on a heavy duty DOLLY and wheeling it out of your house. How do you think the Safe Movers are going to get it inside??? On a friggin Powered Dolly. It's easy if you have the right equipment.

3. I didn't by my $2,500 safe to protect a $499 M&P15, $500 XP Mod2 9MM hand gun and a $250 Wal-Mart Shotgun I bought 15 years ago. So GUNS weren't the reason I bought a safe and I've been looking 2 years on an off.

4. Safe is 930 lbs. when full, it will be closer to 1,600 lbs. 🤠🤠

5. I'm an Idiot! But we all knew that already.

So good replies. Yes Pry attacks and wheeling it away is Why I'm bolting it to my slab and ANOTHER huge reason is it's going to cost me an extra $35, so why the hell wouldn't I?

The safe looks so nice. Still in garage but I took box off the top of it where I could open it. The owner put some goodies in there for me. We got to be buds somewhat and he took care of me. I saw a Eagle Magnetic Graphic, Large one, and a Pistol Rack. I'm waiting until this morning because my daughters l excited and wants me to wait for her to open and see what's inside.

I'm going to have a safe mover come next week and I'll do my prep work this weekend.

Thanks for all the replies. You Guys are All Great!!!!

I'll get out and shoot the AR15 soon. I bought a Loader for it from eBay. It's Called an UP Toola? Or something. Seemed to make sense. I bought one for my 9MM and it's Awesome and a fast!

Have a great weekend Everyone!!.

The Bandit.


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My Wife asked me what I wanted for Father's Day? I said, nothing, I don't know? My PLAN is to ask if I can just get her to be OK with me getting a Hand Gun?

If she doesn't feel safe with a gun in the house (Oxy Moron) what can I do? Again, I have HAD a ShotGun sitting in a closet, unlocked for 12 years in a case. The SAFE Has To HELP!

I mean I Now Have a 1,000 lb. safe it's going to go inside. Can't get much safer than that. I'm not planning on shooting anyone! BUT, if something ever did happen, at least I have a way to protect us.

She says we live in a safe neighborhood, and I said, that's what everyone says before their house gets broken into. If it never happens then it's business as usual, the gun will never come out, except for range.

However, if anything EVER does happen, at least I have a chance. I told her what am I going to do if anything does happen? Hide in the closet and hope I don't get my *** kicked or shot? Or God Forbid, anything happened to our family....................

I think it will help when I get some time under my belt, so she doesn't think I am a complete idiot who knows nothing about guns. And she's right, I am NO Expert, but I know how to be SAFE, Very Safe, and I knwo more than she thinks I know.

It's ALL My Fault for being stupid and buying a 9mm AND an AR15 prior to getting a temp. check.

I have a nice wife, great mother, she's a cancer nurse, makes money, and doesn't spend a whole lot of it. Plus she's quite attractive, so I can't mess that up just for a gun. So, IF after ALL my attempts, it ends up being a futile effort. I will make one of you fine fellow a sweet deal on an unfired AR15.

Have you looked to see if they have any beginner firearms classes in your area?

If your going to have to sell it if she says "No" anyways, I would bring it out and show her that you bought one.

And then tell her for Fathers Day you signed up for a beginners class and bought the pistol for that. You could tell her if she still feels the same after the class then you'll sell it but at least let you have your fun for a weekend or how ever long the class lasts?

If she agrees and see's how happy you are coming back from the class she might change her mind?

You could use the old " I love my family too much not to own a pistol" routine!

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Just man up and tell her already. What is this "ask" stuff? Tell her you bought yourself a rifle and a pistol, and you are taking some classes. Start with hunter education... $15 and covers firearm safety and handling.

Or maybe start with some first aid classes in case she shoots you for buying more weapons without asking.......

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This is feeling more and more like a trolling thread. It has been three weeks since this started. There has been consistent input about 1/ taking classes and 2/ telling the wife.....and it doesn't seem like any of that has been acted on.

Yea but its fun

The big reason for bolting down a safe is to slow down any burglars. Anything that is made can be broken into with enough time. But time is crucial to a group of thieves and slowing them down any way you can adds to the chances you won't have your stuff robbed. If it's going to take 10 minutes to knock your safe over that's big to a thief. They want to get in and out as quickly as possible.

Does your wife plan to keep your balls in the safe or just in her purse?

You have to tell her how you feel, make her understand that your family's safety and security at home is YOUR responsibility. The police will not be there to prevent your family from being crime victims. Cliche time - "when seconds matter, the police are minutes away."

Your wife believes you live in a safe neighborhood? Ha! You live in a neighborhood the criminals haven't targeted enough to make the residents feel uneasy.
Every home invasion or other crime against homeowners in DFW I make sure my wife knows about it. Our "safe" neighborhood doesn't make her feel as comfortable as it used to, and while she isn't interested in shooting yet she is on board with increasing security around the house.

You need to make sure your wife understands that your "safe neighborhood" is where the criminals are targeting because you got the stuff they want!

If you don't want to come completely clean yet about the AR and accessories purchase, then ask your friends who own firearms already about keeping them for you until the wife is more receptive.

As far as the Father's Day present, tell her you've thought about it and you want to take a couple of handgun classes.

THe Eagle Has Landed!!!! the Eagle has Landed!!!

Getting Safe installed tomorrow and I talk to my wife. I say can I get a Gun???

I said for Father's Day let me just get a gun. I said We have a SAFE!!!

She said let me think a minute. Why do you want it? I said 99% for shooting for fun and if anyone ever breaks in.

She said You can have one but it stays in the safe unless your shooting it. Don't be having it out around the house. I said how am I gonna clean it.

She said clean it at the range. I said they don't allow that. Then I decided to shut up and take the Victory!!!!

Finally!!!!!!!!!! I only asked that previous time. I guess she thought about it. She asked where am I keeping the ammo? I said the safe!

So anyway, this just happened tonight. The Safe helped a little I think and several of the guys in my church group have guns so she's like if he wants to shoot he may as well have a gun.

Then I got excited and said maybe no one ever breaks in. I hope they don't. But at least if something ever happened I have a way to protect us.

Then I said they have a tactical light with a Green Laser. If you shine a laser in someone from far away it's a pretty good deterrent.

Remember, I already HAVE a Stream-Light Laser and Tactical Light.

So now I just have to one day show up with a gun (the Springfield XD Mod.2 9MM Bi-Tone I already bought) or put it in the safe and say I finally got one.

As for my M&P AR15. That's a Dog for another Day. One Victory at a Time. Walk before you Run.

Eat your Eggs before you ask for the Bacon.

I feel Better. I shouldn't have been so sneaky but all's well that ends well.

I am going to try to take a class and she would like that because she probably thinks I'm a dip**** when it comes to being a gun expert. Ha Ha

Happy Early Father's Day to me. I told her I don't want a present, just her to be Ok with the gun and I told her I'd be extra careful and that every gun owner is the same way. Even on YouTube people are extra careful on video to make sure the guns cleared and they don't pop it at anyone. I'm scared carful. Because I'm still learning and don't want to do anything dumb so I always make sure I am deliberate in my actions and safety measures when I'm handling any gun.

I'll shoot the AR soon!!!! That's going to be a secret throw her in the trunk range outing because I am dying to shoot it. But I only **** my XD 9MM 1 time so I'm going to work on that next time and I'll get my AR going soon!

Thanks for the Info, Support, and Advice.

Happy Wife, Happy Life!!!

The Bandit...........

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How many safes are stolen or pried open every yr very few I'm betting ,his shotgun wasn't bolted down an it survived 12yrs haha ok I'm done.sure I'll hear only takes one time

Good for you, now be safe with your weapons so she doesn't regret it.

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If you Google "stolen gun safes", on the first 2 pages of returns, you will find 8 news stories about safes being stolen from residences.

It looks as if this post might pass up "THE BROCCOLI" post count in THE LOUNGE forum.

This forum: Official broccoli thread.

Um did you look at the dates? Couple a yr out of tens of thousands I'd call that very few

The point is, it happens. If you are going to have a safe, may as well use it's protection to the fullest and bolt it down.

She's in!!! Man there is NO WAY I could have even remotely done this!!! This dude was so nice and a GREAT guy and strong and he and his partner had a hard time. Took well over an hour. Need to swap a GFI outlet that has no plugs, just a reset switch to one with 2 110V outlets.

Looks nice. It's big but if it was Taller I would have liked it. I have the space to go higher. This is 60", but 72" would have been even better but I ain't complaint. It's nice and a long time coming. Been looking 2 years!!!

Also, Any Safe can be broken into. They just went to a house where theirs cut open the side of his safe with a torch.

The right tool ma and you can do it. BUT, IF they torched mine my Alarm would be triggered!!! Has a heat setting that I can set to trigger at any temperature. So if the heat comes, it's going to contact me within 5 seconds and then I'm contacting the police or shooting someone in the knee cap.

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Not Bad for my FIRST POST!! But it is ALL because of YOU guys!!!!!!!!

I give the Glory first to God but for this Post, it all goes to y'all!!

It's been a Blast!!!!! Thanks for all the funny, intelligent, kind, experienced replies and exchanges we all had. I learned a lot and it is funny I bought 2 Guns, including an AR15 and then after I ask my wife, who's usually pretty laid back, and she gets all crazy and says a Huge NO!!!!!

Actually, she said no and I already had my pistol, and then two days later my AR15 came and I had to sneak it in the house. And still hidden behind my bookshelf in the box I haven't even took the red thing out, that's jammed in the chamber yet!!

All's well that ends well, and it's nice to have the safe Inside.

Thanks Again to All my Fellow Smith and Wesson Forum Members. Stay "SAFE".........

I'm trying to think of things to put inside the safe temporarily, just to have fun. Like a shirt or my watch or something?

Honey I need to get my special shirt out. Let me go to the safe where I keep it. Then I'll have it hanging up and it will be all lit up with the Blue LED Lights, and it will be real dramatic when I turn the steel handle and open it up.

Then I'll tell her, iron this thing!!!!! It's wrinkled!!!

I'll report when I shoot mg AR15. I may put it in the safe and take a few pictures. I probably should just lay low. I'm already telling everyone here I have a safe. Probably NOT the smartest things to do. I know we're on a forum incognito to a degree. But still!!!

Man that Safe installer today was so NICE!!! I got home right at 2pm, but he texted me and I missed it and had arrived 20 minutes early. So when I walked in, the safe was already moved from the garage, inside the house, and into the closet. Probably better because I'd have been hovering and watching so they didn't mess it up, but my wife said they had it protected and used the original box over the safe to protect it. I sent lots of pictures prior to them coming to give them an idea of their options. They used boards on each cement stone step, and took the route of up the driveway, into the street, and down 9-10 stone steps to get through front door.

They Didn't go through Garage and up some wooden Steps, much too tight of a turn once they saw it in person.

Once in the closet putting it against the wall (Had normal molding) BUT One thing that bugged me was the power supply cord connected and came out the bottom right of the safe. OK fine, BUT, instead of having a right angle cord that was flat, the damn thing stuck out, so the safe was too far from the back wall because of the plug.

I stopped them and said that won't work guys, and suggested let's cut a hole or area in the dry wall where the plug sticks out, so the plug sticking out the back of safe, goes inside the wall and allows the safe to be flush. I told them it's bolted down and ain't moving, so we would never see the hole in the wall for the plug ever again anyway! He said that's a good idea so while I looked for a box cutter, he found his chisel and cut out a space for the plug that stuck out. He then bolted it down and put a few shims under the front of the safe. Also just FYI, he drilled right through my carpet and into the concrete slab. He didn't cut any hole in the carpet where the anchors went through, just drilled right through. and he does it all the time. Sharing just in case any of you guys ever do it that's what he did. It only had 2 Anchor points. He used his own Anchors. The ones that came with the safe were not the kind I wanted and cheap.

We shot the breeze an hour while doing the install. It was much harder and time consuming than I thought! and I offered them water over and over and they kept saying no. I finally just gave them some. After they finished, I said what do I owe you? He said $250 is fine!!! Well below the quote and it was supposed to be $5 a step. He went down 10 steps. So he was being cool and gave me a great deal!!! Especially for ALL the work the 2 of the guys did. Plus it was 45 minutes away from his business. I at least paid with a check (never use checks much anymore) so he wouldn't get a 3% credit card fee. It's nice when you meet Good People and He and his Partner were Good People.

I was making them laugh during the install. He said to his partner while moving the safe, give me a few more inches. I said, that's what my wife told me. Ha Ha.

I have this huge safe box but my daughter wants me to keep it because she wants to make a house and play inside it and then my wife told me to cut all the pieces that's a gun on it when I throw it out to the trash so nobody knows what it was, I guess she smarter than I thought.

She also said she has no desire to ever shoot the gun. I said if a burglar was breaking in and you had to protect our daughter, would you?

She said YES. But I just need to get her to the range. Honestly, my first time I wasn't Scared per say, but a little uneasy because it was my first time and all these guns were all over and going off.

I was shooting my 9MM for the first time next to this 14-year-old girl and her dad. She could out shoot me any day. I laid the gun down on the table, took a break for a second, and took my phones off (dumb move) and I wasn't paying attention she shot a round off nest to me and I jumped and nearly **** my pants, as I said some expletive!!!! Her and her Dad And my friends saw me jump and were all laughing at me. I just tried to act like nothing happened, but It literally scared the heck out of me. I wasn't expecting that, and all of a sudden.......BANNMNMMMM!!!!!

I need some practice at the range for sure!!!!

Thanks Again Guys!!!

Congratulations Bandit on getting the safe installed and the approval of the pistol... This has been a very interesting and entertaining thread to read!

First...thanks to God. I appreciate you saying that.

Second....thanks for a terrific story.

Third....Out of all the **** youve said I took it all with a grain of humorous salt but I FINALLY got you on one that bugs me.
"Stay SAFE" great joke but paired with the comment about some piece of plastic jammed in your chamber..
EDUCATION TIME AGAIN
Thats called a "Chamber Flag"...self-explanatory. It assists you and OTHERS to determine the "condition" of your weapon at a glace from near or far. Very important. I use ones with a big "Remove Before Firing" flag on them. (Ebay)

Fourth...stop hammering her about shooting. She has to come to her OWN decision about it. If you want to nudge her I suggest "The Well Armed Woman.com" site.

Fifth....You DESPERATELY need to get some instruction

All good in the hood man! Congrats!

Thanks DAD! I appreciate all your advice and information.

I'm Good with just getting the OK to get a GUN. I still feel a little bad that I already have my gun. And, now I basically have to make up another LIE (let's call it what it is) to say I am buying or I just bought, the Gun I Already Bought 3 months ago!

I didn't want to mention this. But On top of all this and all my crazy stores. I got laid off 2 weeks ago. Worked at a Big Bank as a Commercial Lender. Little depressing, but they offered me 12 weeks of severance after I sign a release, payable in 1 lump sum. Plus I got my vacation pay and health coverage through end of this month. My wife works at a good company so I can add in her health insurance.

Just had a lunch interview this week with CEO of a smaller Regional Bank ($500 Million), the President that I'd be working for, and the head of HR. I didn't tell them I was laid off.

They liked me and I have a pretty good chance. Interviewing 1 more candidate that's less experienced. Not sure it's exactly what I want and you have to SELL and Produce (Banking, BUT it's basically sales). I'm happy or relieved I have something that could POP fast, but hope it's a good fit or I'll be back in the same boat again.

We have a nanny or babysitter for summer for our daughter, since we both work. Now I'm home, but we already promised her the job so it's a weird situation. She just thinks I'm working from home.

Back to my safe. I put my SafElert Wireless Alarm inside the safe and it works great. Texts me right away when door is open, any movement detected. I need to put my Ammo and guns in there soon, BUT, technically don't have a gun!? I need to just tell my wife I'm buying a handgun so I can show her the gun I already bought!!! Also, now that I'm unemployed it's probably NOT the best time to say I'm going to go spend $500 on a gun.

I have ALL my Ammo (800 rounds of 9MM and 900 rounds of .223) in 2 separate 50 Caliber Ammo Boxes From Cabalas.

Maybe she will get me a Gift Card or Money for Fathers Day that I can use toward my gun?






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I know just how the original poster feels. Yesterday I got my big boy pants and picked up my first S&W M&P Sport II. This is my entry into the AR brotherhood. We have a gun show here in Kansas City today and I can not wait for the doors to open. So many toys out there (like holsters in your drawer) and so little time play. Thanks for letting me be a part of such an esteemed group.

If I were you I'd ask for my testicles back for Father's Day........ As long as you're not dipping into the rent/food money to buy it, I should think that after 18 years of "doing the right thing" you ought to be able to go out and buy a firearm without having to run around worrying like a mouse what the wife thinks. TELL HER you bought an AR and be done with it man.
Full disclosure: I've been married but once and then for 33 years and counting.... She buys her sh....er stuff and I buy mine.

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It's OK to the other poster in my situation. I have been buying whatever I want for 22 years, and she mentioned that to me when she said NO initially. But, when you have a young daughter, and THAT was the reason she was concerned (Scared), you have to be more understanding as it was more about HER perception of her safety, and less with her being the BOSS and putting her foot down.

Of course, in my situation I ALREADY bought TWO guns before I asked because I'm "The King", but I wanted to keep the peace and pave the way to getting her to give me the OK, which I did.

After she said NO on the gun, I told her, fix me something to eat, and be quick about it too. I want something HOT, and I want it NOW!

Well, at least that is what I was thinking, in my head!

I highly recommend The Liberty Safelert to anyone who wants a internal, battery powered, wireless, Alarm for their Safe.

It doesn't make any Sound, it just sends real time Alerts to you via Text and/or E-mail.

It comes with an Antenna you can plug into device to boost the signal to your router. Many put the wire through the opening in the safe for the power. I just ran the wire out the top right of the Safe's door and it closes perfect and doesn't punch the wire. The Base of the Antenna is Magnetic, so it can stick to anything. Mines just on top of my Safe pointing up.

Here is what the Alerts Look like on your Cell Phone as well as the interface. You can access from a PC as well.

What happens if the antenna wire and power cord are cut?

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My understanding is the alerting device is battery powered. So the device itself and antenna are completely housed in the safe.

I presume the power cord seen in the picture is for the safe lights and/or a goldenrod which might be in use.

You wont regret it , I have had mine for 4 years, it and my model 25 are my two favorite guns

I never went into my marriage 41 years ago with the idea I would function completely independent of my wife's wishes. She is the same way about me. I've bought a few things over the years that were substantial without telling my wife and so has she. But the far better policy is to confer on budget issues. The things I want are my business. OUR money isn't my business alone. I never thought a marriage was a true union unless such things were open and above board. A lot of marriages end because of money issues. I don't believe that's a concern for our OP here but for many it is. Besides I got married to become part of a partnership that is great than the sum of two individuals. And it works very well that way. No lingering bad feelings come from consulting each other over major purchases. And a gun is a major purchase just as a dangerous item if not because of the money. Some people have a downright irrational fear of guns. I wouldn't want my wife getting a pet pitbull trained to attack only without asking me. It's a dangerous thing to have around kids. I kept my guns all but completely disabled when my kids were young. I did know how to put the parts together in a hurry if the need arose but having guns around a kid is something a person dang well better discuss with a wife. Mothers have a protective nature and to many of them a gun is evil incarnate. It may not be rational but that doesn't make it less disturbing to some.

Again if you want a true marriage of two souls you share everything good and bad. Being sorta married never appealed to me.

Yes the Cord in Picture is for the motion sensor LED Blue LIGHTS.

SafeElert is battery powered and it's inside the safe.


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When I finally had enough of my x I kicked her sorry (donkey) to the curb.
When we had to go in front of the judge for the custody hearing of my 5 year old (25 years ago) the judge said she could have supervised parental visitation ONLY if she were to seek help for her drinking problem. She stood up, flipped off the judge, and walked out of the court room! Well, you DON'T make a judge mad! He gave me full parental custody and didn't allow her within 1K ft. of my son until he was 18 years old. NO talking, emailing, letters, etc.! To this day she is STILL an alcoholic, drinking an average of 18-20 12oz. Coors Light beers EVERY night!
When we were married, she had her money, I had mine. I bought every gun I could think of, within reason. But, being she was inebriated most of the time, I had to buy a HUGE safe!
Anyway, it was very nice not being castrated and being able to do AS I PLEASED! More men should try it sometimes.

My wife has her money and I have mine, but only AFTER all the bills are paid! We also had an agreement from day one: I don't buy curtains, furniture, decor, or dishes and she doesn't buy cars, guns, boats, or houses! It's worked for 27yrs so far.

Some marriages are NOT made in heaven it seems. There are things a person needs to do to make a marriage work. Drinking isn't one of them. Putting God first in your life is. Still too many marriages end up divorces. There are reasons for divorce. But we seem to let small things break up marriages in this country. Nobody said it was an easy thing like most stuff in life. I wouldn't want my kids around a juice junkie to that extreme either. But she is their mother. I'm glad I'm not in your shoes friend. Tough choices. There's a lot of that going around. I know your situation has been settled long ago but many are still struggling.

And yes there is something to be said for living alone. The Bible tells us it's the best way to live if you can do it.