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Old 06-15-2017, 05:30 AM
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LGS has a fathers day sale on S&W. They got the Sport II on sale for $489. I need it like another hole in my head but at this price. I already have an original Sport with the 5R barrel that I have added some farkels to. I might set this one up for longer ranges because I have never shot a more accurate rifle of this type and set the Sport II up for closer range blasting. What the heck. "It's a good deal honey and it's fathers day"' Wonder if that will work?
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Old 06-15-2017, 06:09 AM
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That's a pretty good deal.

If you don't really "need" one though, maybe wait and find a used one listed in your area. I've seen them going for less, and you can save the sales tax as well.

The presidential election has put some pretty good deals on the market, especially in the private sector.
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Old 06-15-2017, 08:46 AM
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I have 2 Sport I's with the 5R Melonite 1:8 twist. I shoot one way more than the other, yet still have the urge to buy a 3rd with the current prices being so low. While we will still see low prices for a while, the Sports for $389 or so are a come on and they are not something I would wait for if I were to purchase another M&P Sport. I would buy the one you are looking at and get it over if you are sure you want a second one if the price you are comfortable with. My two Sports when purchased were over $700 with the NICS fee, dealer fee and sales tax. I don't regret buying them.
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Old 06-15-2017, 08:50 AM
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I have 2 Sport I's with the 5R Melonite 1:8 twist. I shoot one way more than the other, yet still have the urge to buy a 3rd with the current prices being so low. While we will still see low prices for a while, the Sports for $389 or so are a come on and they are not something I would wait for if I were to purchase another M&P Sport. I would buy the one you are looking at and get it over if you are sure you want a second one if the price you are comfortable with. My two Sports when purchased were over $700 with the NICS fee, dealer fee and sales tax. I don't regret buying them.
Fully agree. I think at just under $ 400 I'm not sure they'll get any cheaper.....and are a pure steal at that price. I too paid just over $700 for my non 1:8 5R and I don't regret it at all. Heck, that was cheap for when I bought it as we were just coming off the evil black gun craze.
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Old 06-15-2017, 12:28 PM
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I like my sport II, never had an issue with it. But I couldn't see ever buying a second one, to many other options out there to have two of the same rifle IMO.
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Old 06-15-2017, 02:19 PM
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I have a Nikon scope on one, and a Bushnell red dot on the other. Same gun, two different uses, one for distance, one for in close HD.
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Old 06-15-2017, 03:25 PM
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I have a Nikon scope on one, and a Bushnell red dot on the other. Same gun, two different uses, one for distance, one for in close HD.
If you use good QD mounts you can swap optics and not lose your zero.

My sport II has and aimpoint pro and a nikon p233 that I alternate at the range. (Carbine)

My Daniels Defense M4V11PRO has an 18" barrel and I switch between a Vortex Viper 6.5x20-44mm scope and a Vortex SPARC AR. (Rifle length gas)

My 16" BCM has an EOTech 3-0 and a G33 Magnifier so it's dual purpose at the flip of the magnifier. (Mid length gas)

My BCM/KAC/DD 9" 300 Blackout pistol build just has the Aimpoint T1 and MBUIS, because it's a pistol and a red dot is all it needs. (pistol length gas)
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^^^^^
I do realize that I can use QD mounts, but I like the idea of having 2 in case one has a major failure. That's my excuse for having 2 and I'm sticking by that story .
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Old 06-16-2017, 09:42 PM
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I need it like another hole in my head but at this price.
Most us have more guns than we objectively "need", we buy because we "want" them for one reason or another.

There appears (I say appears because definitive data is hard to obtain) to be more ARs being offered to the market than there are buyers, so the price pressure should continue to be down. Until some AR manufacturers start shutting their doors forever the imbalance is likely to continue. By Christmas, that same Sport II could be $429 or $399.

If you really want it now and can afford it without depriving yourself or your family of something they have a greater need for, then by all means go ahead. But if you pause for a moment, you may find that you're content to keep that money in your pocket and wait to see if prices go down.
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Most us have more guns than we objectively "need", we buy because we "want" them for one reason or another.

There appears (I say appears because definitive data is hard to obtain) to be more ARs being offered to the market than there are buyers, so the price pressure should continue to be down. Until some AR manufacturers start shutting their doors forever the imbalance is likely to continue. By Christmas, that same Sport II could be $429 or $399.

If you really want it now and can afford it without depriving yourself or your family of something they have a greater need for, then by all means go ahead. But if you pause for a moment, you may find that you're content to keep that money in your pocket and wait to see if prices go down.
I bought my first S&W AR 15 in January and would like to build one now some time in the near future .. have been pricing parts for a build and while complete AR's have gone down in price parts to build one haven't from what I've looked at ..

So is it better now to by another pre-built as close as the specs you want as possible and go from there ?? Or wait hoping parts will start to drop to build one ??
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Old 06-17-2017, 11:36 PM
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I bought my first S&W AR 15 in January and would like to build one now some time in the near future .. have been pricing parts for a build and while complete AR's have gone down in price parts to build one haven't from what I've looked at ..

So is it better now to by another pre-built as close as the specs you want as possible and go from there ?? Or wait hoping parts will start to drop to build one ??
Yes Sir! buy it NOW! and don't let those nattering nabob's of negativity spoil your fun,,,,really guys, its under 500 bucks, people are paying 6,000 bucks for a pair of stinkin hearing aids??
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Old 06-18-2017, 03:44 AM
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I bought my first S&W AR 15 in January and would like to build one now some time in the near future .. have been pricing parts for a build and while complete AR's have gone down in price parts to build one haven't from what I've looked at ..

So is it better now to by another pre-built as close as the specs you want as possible and go from there ?? Or wait hoping parts will start to drop to build one ??
Your call for sure. Location (to a supplier) can have a huge impact on it.

For example...I can swing by PrimaryArms while visiting my kid in Houston. They are a mile up the road. I can pick up an Anderson lower for 30 bucks and a dab of tax. They transfer and no shippin. Normally (you) would have 49 bucks + shippin + 25 FFL (or so)

Then you surf by DeltaTeamTactical and pick up a kit for 219-239 and a bit of shippin.

I can literally be into an AR for around the 250 mark.

Palmetto has good prices
Tacticalstuff also (you gotta change "stuff" to that other word)
Brownells throws crazy pricing up sometimes.

Saw M&P Sport II's at Palmetto for 399 the other day. They sold out in less than an hour
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Aimpoint Pro, Just bought one NIB for 300 from a sale ad on backpage. Most are going for 300-375 used.

Get it! They are awesome
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Yes Sir! buy it NOW! and don't let those nattering nabob's of negativity spoil your fun,,,,really guys, its under 500 bucks, people are paying 6,000 bucks for a pair of stinkin hearing aids??
Huh? Whadya say?
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So is it better now to by another pre-built as close as the specs you want as possible and go from there ?? Or wait hoping parts will start to drop to build one ??
That's not really a question I should be answering. And I say that because there's an element of "self-satisfaction" from having assembled it yourself that may be very valuable to you. If it is, then you should consider going the homebuilt route.
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...really guys, its under 500 bucks, people are paying 6,000 bucks for a pair of stinkin hearing aids??
And people are paying $5.97 for a pound of coffee.

What does the price of hearing aids have to do with the price of a rifle?
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So is it better now to by another pre-built as close as the specs you want as possible and go from there ?? Or wait hoping parts will start to drop to build one ??
Personally, I look at it this way:
  • Ignoring the considerable value of being able to say "I built it myself" which can easily be enough to make the decision.
  • There is generally little, if any, price advantage to building a rifle yourself as opposed to buying it.
  • Factory rifles like the S&W M&P-15, Ruger 556, Springfield Saint, etc. all come with robust warranties.
  • Most of the parts vendors I've seen attach no specific warranty to their parts (beyond the implied warranty required under state law).
  • So, if the factory-built rifle has a problem, it is a matter of sending it back for repair.
  • On the other hand, if your home-built rifle has a problem, it is up to you to properly diagnose the problem and then repair it - buying the parts yourself if necessary.

So, when it comes to ARs, I buy fully assembled guns from reputable manufacturers who are willing to stand behind their products; often for life.
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Purchasing a gun is the cheapest part of this hobby. Buy it today for $489 and sell it next year for $389 and you'll still have more money in your pocket than taking the wife out for dinner and a movie and filling your car with gas.

So... take the wife out to dinner and a movie and tell her all about your new rifle.
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Purchasing a gun is the cheapest part of this hobby. Buy it today for $489 and sell it next year for $389 and you'll still have more money in your pocket than taking the wife out for dinner and a movie and filling your car with gas.

So... take the wife out to dinner and a movie and tell her all about your new rifle.
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If you use good QD mounts you can swap optics and not lose your zero.
What good quality QD mounts do you recommend that won't lose zero? I've had mixed results in the past doing this.
I have a Vortex Spitfire 3X prism scope on my M&P Sport 2 optics ready and would like to also use a 4X14 power good quality scope for precision shooting, but would like it to hold an absolutely perfect zero, when switching back and forth. Is it possible? Before you laugh at using this gun for precision shooting, I had borrowed 3X9 Nikon on it and shot several groups of half minute of angle with it. I still can't believe I got that lucky, with this gun.
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Purchasing a gun is the cheapest part of this hobby. Buy it today for $489 and sell it next year for $389 and you'll still have more money in your pocket than taking the wife out for dinner and a movie and filling your car with gas.

So... take the wife out to dinner and a movie and tell her all about your new rifle.
I would take the rifle over the wife any day. You can always find a mistress.
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What good quality QD mounts do you recommend that won't lose zero?
ADM, Larue, Bobro, GGG, any of these mounted correctly.
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