The OP got what he needed and is unlikely to be back.

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I suspect that BC38 and Rastoff are correct. I’ve seen it many times over the years.


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We have 199,245 members according to the member list. Out of those 184,151 have 20 or less posts. According to the forum page, 8,040 are active members. I don't know what the criteria is to be "active", but it probably doesn't take much.

The vast majority of those that join, join so they can ask some question about their particular problem and never join the community so to speak. This is super common among forums.

A thread like this will always generate lots of comments. Meh, it's fun and informative for the collective at large. If we never see the OP again it's no loss and at least we got to help him a little.

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I check in when a new post occurs to see if there was a resolution to the problem,can take awhile or maybe never.

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It's good info for anyone who actually uses the search function to find threads that already answer their questions. They don't need to ask the same questions again that way.

Glad to see this thread go off topic for a minute. As you can see I've made minimal comments but this forum is my school and you members are my instructors. If your stats could show read threads by me and perhaps other "Lurker Members", you would probably be surprised to see how helpful you are and just how much you are appreciated. Thanks all.

LOL, yeah, if we could only get more folks to use that search function

I'll second that. Us non-lurkers learn a lot from these guys too.

...but it generally gives unsatisfactory results. Sometimes it's better to search on Google and pick out the forum entries from the list.

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Use the search function kid. Get off my lawn! Haven't seen "use search ..." anywhere in quite some time. Never seen a forum search tool worth a hoot as compared to using google to search a specific forum.

I’ll have to agree on the search function. I’ve gotten mixed results using it over the years. Regardless, it takes time and effort and people don’t wanna do that. Thus, the million questions on (pick your subject). I just gave up telling people to search. I will direct them to the appropriate section of the forum or thread if I know it. Or “see post #” if it is in the same thread they are asking in and they just jumped to the question without reading. People want instant gratification. They don’t want to work for answers if they don’t have to.


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To me asking a question then waiting for someone to answer is the way you don't get instant gratification. I've used search functions for years on boards. Yeah if you have a complicated question or one about something unusual you aren't likely to find what you want. But I've found out what various opinions were about specific guns many times using the search button on a forum. Other questions too are easily answered by a search. It depends on the question. And it takes a little effort to think of the right words to search for.

And that's how I came up to this forum. And then decided to join.

Even better. Go to Google and search:
"whatever you're looking for site:smith-wessonforum.com"

The bolded part is what matters. It restricts your search to this site. It works for any site. Sometimes you need the "www", sometimes you don't.

Also, if you put a + in front of a particular search term it only returns results WITH that term. A minus sign does the opposite.

Now, if you'll excuse me, there's a trail here somewhere that leads back on topic ...

Happy searching.

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I've been on here since 2005 and have about 25 posts. Not sure what the criteria of being "active" but I go through spurts. Often just seeing what's new or have a question. I'd rather have 150K lurkers than a 50k mixture of trolls and redundant question posers. btw, searching/googling a question will often bring you right back here :-) Besides, you can get immediate feed back as well asking the responder to go more in depth. As it is, I too am curious about an update to the OP. If that were I, I'd at least come back and post the resolution even if I wasn't going to hand around afterward. But that's just me.

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I Had a 10/22 Ruger blow up in my face like that. Blew the magazine to bits and the extractor vanished to parts unknown. In that case it was discovered the (Remington subsonic) ammo was overcharged.

I don't consider Remington .22 ammo to be safe because of varying levels of powder in them. One round will nearly be a squib and the next will by hypersonic. I am not at all surprised they loaded one with enough powder to make a rifle explode. I won't buy their stuff and I won't shoot it. And that's just one of the problems with their ammo - it's also extremely dirty.

I have been following this like others, especially since 95% of my ammo (except .22) are reloads. Just guessing but think most times there are a chain of errors involved. Wrong ammo (300 Blk in 5.56) dirt or squib or both, wrong headspace plus dirt, etc. wrong powder for that application.

10-12 years ago I had a squib in a 9mm. I heard the psst of the primer and did not shoot the next round. All was well except it scared the poo out of me. I put an extra light over my bench and verbalize "powder in the case" before placing the bullet. Reloading is an aquired skill. Slower is better than faster.

My daughters AR15-22 went rogue on us and was double tapping and firing a touch OOB.

Sent it into Smith they fixed some springs and sent her back.

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The OP may be back at some point; the return plus the time for the factory to perform their due diligence may not have passed yet and he may not have anything else to report.

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SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

If the primer said "psst" and not "POP", it was an indication of a bad primer vs. an empty case.

First off, I seriously doubt the explosive force of the failure is what knocked your glasses and earmuffs off. Your startle response jerking back of your head and turning away from the threat would have been the cause for that when you had a perfectly natural reaction to an unexpected and sudden occurrence that spewed hot gas and various particles in unexpected directions. Your statement that much of the gas escaped down the magazine well confirms this.
I have been present when something like this has happened a couple of times, and while startling to say the least, does not normally result in serious injury to the shooter. Bystanders to the right of the ejection port are a potentially a different matter.
Firing out of battery can happen with several different designs of autos, Glocks being the brand I have the most personal knowledge of. Particularly in .40 caliber.

Most of the firearms were made with safety to the shooter in mind, got to give them credit!

A friend tried to shoot a 308 cartridge in a 20-06 it chambered OK but when he pulled the trigger it blew the shells in the magazine to the ground, the trigger went somewhere and I have the bolt with the cartridge stuck tightly to
the face of the cylinder..

It was a Remington 700, he was not injured just scared. I do not ever stand on the right side of a right handed shooter just for this reason.

Smith & Wesson has been very safety conscious for a long time, I do not own any of the new plastic stuff so cannot speak for them.

More times than not you can actually take it further to a specific sub-header. For example: site:smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p15-rifles [search term]

Less the brackets.

That was Pepper Anderson's favorite shooting grip!

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OP,

Any updates or follow up from S&W yet?

Thanks!

The OP's last post was on 1/12 and his last visit to these forums on 1/15. I doubt he'll be back.

I sent an email to the OP asking for an update. We'll see if they respond.

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FWIW.. As far as we know.. this could all be fake..
Could be a S&W hater, or who knows..
Far as I know, someone dropped their riffle, broke the mag, then propped the BCG back a tad, snapped a pic....

Or....... this is real.. who knows man..

The OP was on today @12:15 but no reply. So maybe we'll hear back with a resolution.

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Ps 96 SWCA 2930 SWHF 524

S&W response was No Response. They said they sent letters to dealer, dealer says they didn't. This comes as no surprise to me! S&W is just like everyone else in this country. No personal or corporate responsibility!

I accept my responsibility! I should have done more research. I would have seen that mine is a common problem. Bad design, bad instruction, bad operator....who knows. It just happens a lot! Had I visited this forum or simply googled this rifle, I never would have bought it. My Bad!

As for you folks that want to judge me and espouse your expertise about what "really”happened, turn off your computers and go outside and talk to someone. You aren't nearly as smart as you think you are.

For the folks who offered helpful advise and understanding....thanks

Tell them to send the letters again.
Make sure they have the right address.

It is highly unlikely that they will just keep the rifle and do nothing.

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I don't understand what the dealer has to do with this. The gun is under your name and warrantied. They owe you an explanation.

Engine 49 guy is correct. I wonder if the carrier was wet or dry?

Were are all these reported out of battery firing mishaps?

Is this truly a real problem? Is OOB failure rate much higher than other AR’s?

What specific safety design features are so different in the sport 2 that are not found in other brand of AR that prevent OOB discharges?

I’m not following what S&W did to a 40-50 year old design that wojld make the sport2 so susceptible to OOB discharge?

It would seem to me that if OOB is so dangerous, and there was something so inherently flawed in the design, in this letigious society, it would be foolishness for S&W to attempt to “cover up” this flaw, rarhwr than own up to it and recall the model. If truly flawed, they risk company ruin completely by not recalling them.

I am in no way saying that any individual mishap was not OOB. I’m just concerned being a sport 2 owner, and trying to make sense of the OOB situation.

After reading the OP's post yesterday, I went back and reread all the posts in this thread. I then went on Google and looked for pages of problems for the M&P 15. There were many articles on the 15/22, but not for the M&P AR 15 Sport or other M&P AR 15's. No pictures, no reason why the firearm was not sent to S&W by the OP. In his last response on 3/1 he has some nasty things to say about knowing better that to buy this platform. Something is not right here.

I figured he was a drive by when he insisted that he was taking the rifle back to the dealer instead of dealing directly with S&W. His comments yesterday at 3:13 pm pretty much solidify my opinion. S&W takes all kabooms seriously.

He pretty much just proved he is someone with a grudge against S&W. They aren't perfect. They make some mistakes. But this is the ONLY example of someone claiming an OOB problem with a S&W 5.56 that I've seen and I have looked. There are lots of examples of the 15-22 having problems. That's well known. But nothing else.

I was thinking of buying some flavor of S&W M&P 15, but this thread says they blow up so I won't. I think I'll assemble my own from the cheapest parts found on the internet.

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I love all the blinders that S&W owners put on about their race to the bottom Sport II AR15s. M&P built this rifle to hit a price point. They have modified the configuration from its original offering in order to get production costs down so they can continue to move the metal. It is a budget rifle designed and made to meet a budget price point. There is nothing wrong with that but it is what it is. I do not understand why people are so quick to bash the OP. He didn't call your wife ugly he stated that the gun he bought malfunctioned the first time he went out to shoot it. He is understandably upset and has lost faith in S&W and the rifle he purchased. Why so much hate? Why do so many people refute and disbelieve that this actually happened? Why the need to call someone who you know nothing about a liar and a fraud? Seems pretty petty to me.

The way I read it S&W replaced or repaired the rifle but would not offer an explanation as to what happened. This is to be expected. When there is a failure of this nature it is rare that the company will disclose what possibly could be a defect in the product. Doing so opens them up to liability.

Why the blind allegiance to the brand? S&W like every other manufacturer makes mistakes. S&W has a great track record of correcting them. I can however understand that if you are unfamiliar with S&W and the AR15 platform, which the OP appears to be if you did not get an explanation of what went wrong you might be wary of using a replacement Sport II.

If you have owned guns long enough you have had a gun or 2 that you lost confidence in and sold or abandoned in the back of the safe. Why are so many people roasting this OP? Seems like people have to circle the wagons for some reason as if they themselves are under personal attack. Sorry I just don't get it. It also does not do a lot of good to help attract and keep new members to the forum.

Many people find this forum because they Google questions about S&W guns. Some of those Google searches involve problems or issues. It make perfect logical sense if you are having an issue with a product Google it a look for answers before you act. So they come here and post a question and get roasted by the community. So they leave.

For those who do not think this has happened before with S&W rifles before I direct you to look at this link. Wolf which a lot of budget shooters shoot out of their budget rifles has a warning about M&P rifles firing out of battery. They don't have any such warning about any other brand of AR15. Now I take it with a grain of salt because part of it is a CYA move on their part but the fact they felt the need to publicly post this warning means they have seen more than a few out of battery firings from M&Ps but I am sure those were all drive bys as well.

Advisory - Wolf Performance Ammunition, steel cased ammo, brass ammo,

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Uh, no. Reread all four posts by Kilminator. His latest claim is S&W is lying about contacting his dealer concerning the rifle.

I could understand his concern about using another S&W rifle if this truly happened. So far none of his posts indicate that S&W has done anything but accept the rifle back from the dealer. His first post was from 1/11/18. S&W may be backed up right now, but they have always given claims of product defects priority if for no other reason than to protect themselves from bad press on the Internet.

He never said S&W sent him a new replacement. Unless the dealer received it and the OP now doesn't want one.

I read it as the OP did not receive a response about "what" cause the malfunction not that he did not get compensation or a replacement of the rifle. Maybe I am wrong but that does not change the fact that the S&W AR15 community is in denial that there is a disproportionate number of out of battery reports from S&W M&Ps vs any other brand of AR15 on the market today.

Again I will ask... What other manufacturer of AR15s is Wolf Ammo saying they do not recommend firing their ammo from?


Answer: NONE but the S&W crowd continues circle the wagons discounting and discrediting people who state that this has happened to them.

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No one roasted the OP until he roasted us and even then the things said were not over the top. The guy made claims that this happened all the time and I just don't agree. I searched the web, just as you suggest people with problems do, to see if I could find other examples of the problem. I found zero. I saw the warning from Wolf too. Even they didn't point to a specific example. Where are all the people with problems? A problem like this usually leads to mass hysteria about a gun even when it isn't warranted. For example the Glock Kaboom issue was cited on the net many times and that all boiled down to a couple of incidents that were documented by news stories. I've seen nothing remotely like that about probably the most popular AR being sold now.

Yes they are rifles built to a price point. All rifles are unless you want to spend several thousand dollars for one. That doesn't make the rifles defective. I have read countless favorable reviews of the Sport models and only a very few negative reviews. I never bought an AR until I found a situation like the Sport and it's reviews. I saw too many entry level AR's that just didn't work. People at the gun range would shoot a mag or less then work on their AR's for half an hour and shoot another half a mag. I waited to for quality for a price and the Sport provided it in spades.

The OP made a lot of allegations about people posting here. So have you. I haven't seen that at all. I certainly don't have blind allegiance to S&W. I said they make mistakes in my last post. The M&P 15-22 had a lot of OB problems. Finding examples of that posted online is very easy. No so with the 5.56 Smith AR's. I've seen one and an undocumented allegation of another by Wolf.

BTW people here made an effort to get more info from Wolf on that subject and no answer was given. I still think they were referring to the 15-22 because it has had many OB problems. At any rate with nothing more than a vague allegation I smell a rat at Wolf. Give more details or expect people to doubt your word.

I believe your post was unfair to the posters here many of which tried to help the OP. Yes they questioned him. Many have that rifle and they want to know if it might have a similar issue. But again few details were given and questionable practices were employed. Then came the blast of people here which like your post, was very unfair. I saw a lot more effort at helping the OP than bashing him. It wasn't even close.

I do not have blinders on when it comes to S&W or any product, either I like them or I don't. I am not brand loyal but it this case, there is no case on the OP's claim.

As for the Wolf Gold, this has been discussed on this forum for quite a while. I wrote a letter to the manufactures of Wolf Gold over a month ago and they have not responded. Follow the link to Wolf Golds claim.
M&P15 & Wolf Gold

I can't tell by the OP's response whether he received a new rifle, but the way I read it, he didn't. But, it's 50/50 if I'm right or wrong on him getting a new one unless he responds. I doubt he will, his last post was not very friendly.

Like CJ, I spent a lot of time on the 'net looking for reports of OOB kabooms. I found a couple of squibs where newbies did a tap, rack, hit the forward assist a couple of times, and kaboom. If, in fact, my M&P's are in danger of spontaneous disassembly the next time I shoot, I'd like to see a couple of links showing the M&P has a disproportionate amount of OOB incidents so I can take the steps necessary.

Factory rounds? If so, what kind?

From the sound of it, the OP did NOT get a new rifle, and to be honest I thought I had taken a wrong turn and arrived at AR-15. com. I think the overt criticism and questioning of the OP is extremely disrespectful..

Its very sad that many of us who have defended S&W are often disappointed in their new corporate practices.. I believe S&W need to return to their core principles of the past.

What is even more sad, is the poor treatment of S&W Forum posters, who do have legitimate concerns about their handgun failures and the companies seeming disregard at times for "making things right"??

Obviously you've never played the "litigation game".

First, if you have a product fail - particularly if it injures you - you NEVER let go of it - no matter what anyone promises you in return.

Second, you engage Counsel familiar with the industry and the manufacturer.

Third, you shut up unless your Counsel tells you to speak.

Fourth, you walk away with a large cash settlement.

Fifth, if you did something stupid like fire a bunch of reloads loaded above the maximum (in the sure "knowledge" that "the lawyers" have made everyone artificially neuter their loads) expect to go home empty-handed - as you should.

Someone comes on to an S&W forum and critiques the manufacturer's product without having first followed the procedure specified in the owner's manual about dealing with problem SHOULD expect questions about what they did to diagnose the problem.

Further, that owner should not stick his/her head in the proverbial "sand" for months at a time if they expect to engage with - and receive the support of - this user group.

I think that it is a stretch that S&W would ignore such a situation knowing that there is possible litigation to follow. There are those who want to do away with the AR rifles. Perhaps believing that discrediting the manufacturer as well as the product they produce will have an effect on sales could be a motive. Don’t know if that is the case but just putting it out there.