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Old 05-08-2018, 06:49 AM
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Tell them to send the letters again.
Make sure they have the right address.

It is highly unlikely that they will just keep the rifle and do nothing.
That's right, and if they do NOT repair or replace your rifle, they will give you a reason, and a possible solution?? may not be a full replacement, but an offer to replace your rifle at their cost??

I really think since the OP was using factory ammo, that they will eventually make him whole...
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I purchased a brand new M&P15 yesterday. Was in the process of zeroing this evening. I had fired 15 rounds over about 15 minutes. When I squeezed the trigger next, the gun blew up, knocking my glasses and earmuffs off, and burning my right forearm. As near as I can figure, the round didnít fully seat and allow the chamber to close BUT the gun fired anyway. Much of the gas blew out through the magazine exploding it into pieces and sending unfired rounds everywhere. It scared the **** out of me. I am an army vet and have never seen anything like this. Iím taking it back to dealer tomorrow and expect he will be helpful, but ***....I don't feel comfortable with another S&W. Will probably just get my money back. Is this a problem with this model or did I just get the one in a million?

It seems strange------very strange---that the OP has not shared with us HOW this months old incident has resolved...ÖÖ...
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Old 05-23-2018, 11:29 AM
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Obviously you've never played the "litigation game".

First, if you have a product fail - particularly if it injures you - you NEVER let go of it - no matter what anyone promises you in return.

Second, you engage Counsel familiar with the industry and the manufacturer.

Third, you shut up unless your Counsel tells you to speak.

Fourth, you walk away with a large cash settlement.

Fifth, if you did something stupid like fire a bunch of reloads loaded above the maximum (in the sure "knowledge" that "the lawyers" have made everyone artificially neuter their loads) expect to go home empty-handed - as you should.
The information provided in this post from my perspective is accurate and should be heeded. I owned and operated a video production company for many years and we specialized in legal work. in the course of this work we did several depositions regarding firearms failures, malfunctions, design deficiency's etc. One case that comes to mind involved an AD with a Winchester 1300 shotgun. The expert that was hired was able to definitively demonstrate the the gun could be fired by carrying it with a finger thru the trigger guard. This was due to the way the trigger was formed and this allowed upward pressure to discharge the gun without specifically pulling the trigger. I remember there were injuries involved and apparently the police investigating had seized the weapon. Since the actual weapon involved was available the expert was easily able to demonstrate how an AD could happen. As I remember it; the case was settled out of court and I don't know how much was paid out by Winchester.Oh and BTW: If you own a Winchester 1300/1400 do not carry it with your finger thru the trigger guard!
We also handled at least three cases/lawsuits involving Glocks and ADs. After seeing the results; to this day I don't own and have never owned a Glock pistol.
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Old 05-23-2018, 12:34 PM
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In my experience, a properly set up M16 or AR-15 cannot be fired until the bolt is locked in battery. This is because with the bolt extended from the carrier, the firing pin is too short to reach the primer. As the carrier goes forward and the bolt is rotated into battery, the firing pin can then reach the primer when struck. I think something else is at work here.

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the OP was using factory ammo..
How could they know that? I wonder how many kabooms are accompanied by "and I was using factory ammo" but the shooter had actually overcharged his reloads?

Manufacturers must have heard that before.
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I might not be seeing it all but I WOULD SUSPECT that that is why he posted it on here, to WARN others possibly. Patience is a virtue
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I purchased a brand new M&P15 yesterday. Was in the process of zeroing this evening. I had fired 15 rounds over about 15 minutes. When I squeezed the trigger next, the gun blew up, knocking my glasses and earmuffs off, and burning my right forearm. As near as I can figure, the round didnít fully seat and allow the chamber to close BUT the gun fired anyway. Much of the gas blew out through the magazine exploding it into pieces and sending unfired rounds everywhere. It scared the **** out of me. I am an army vet and have never seen anything like this. Iím taking it back to dealer tomorrow and expect he will be helpful, but ***....I don't feel comfortable with another S&W. Will probably just get my money back. Is this a problem with this model or did I just get the one in a million?
I'M SORRY TO READ THIS, BUT I'M GLAD THAT YOU WEREN'T MORE SERIOUSLY INJURED......

I HAVE OVER 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE COLT 1911s, AND A BIT WITH MILSURP BERETTAS, AND WALTHERS. NONE OF THOSE WEAPONS WOULD FIRE, IN SUCH A CONDITION......

I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERIENCE WITH S&W SEMI-AUTOS, BUT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT THIS IS A DESIGN FLAW--AT LEAST, I HOPE THAT IT IS NOT ! ! !

AS I HAVE STATED, MANY TIMES BEFORE---IMHO, THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE QUALITY CONTROL FUNCTION OF THE MANUFACTURING PROCESS, HAS BEEN GRADUALLY SHIFTED FROM S&W, TO THE END USER OF THEIR PRODUCTS. THE SHOOTER IDENTIFIES A PROBLEM, AND THEY "FIX IT", UNDER WARRANTY. MANY TIMES, THE FIREARM IS RETURNED IMMEDIATELY UPON RECEIPT, FROM THE FACTORY, BECAUSE IT CONTINUES TO EXHIBIT THE VERY SAME PROBLEM. THIS APPLIES TO THE VERY EXPENSIVE PC GUNS, AS WELL AS THOSE FROM THE REGULAR PRODUCTION LINE......

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO LEARN WHAT S&W ATTRIBUTES THIS TRAGIC FAILURE TO. I HOPE THAT YOU WERE FIRING FACTORY AMMO, AND YOU STILL HAVE THE BOX. S&W MAY ATTEMPT TO WRIGGLE THROUGH SOME SELF INVENTED/PERCEIVED HOLE, IN THE NET OF RESPONSIBILITY......
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Since Op has not posted in some time, I was just curious about other Sport II owners' experiences.

Have ANY of you folks had malfunctions that damaged your rifles similar to OP'S?

I'll add that I have owned the original Sport and now own a Sport II and have had zero, nada problems. I must admit I have not fired a gazillion rounds through it but all of the wide variety (I'd estimate in the high 100s of rounds) of .223 and 5.56 ammo I put in it worked. From Tula steel to top dollar Hornady 75 grain target ammo.

IS there a problem with these rifles? In my experience and from what I have read and heard, (except for OP's posts) no.

Basically, he has not made it clear whether they fixed his rifle or shipped him a replacement.

I'd like to hear from him again as to what EXACTLY is the current status of his problem with the damaged gun.

1. Did Smith fix it?
2. Did they replace it with a new copy?
3. Did he get a refund?
4. Did he just give up on the whole thing?

So OP, please tell us what the current status is with your problem Sport II. These rifles are being sold day in and day out at gun shops - I imagine forum members would like to know if Smith resolved your problem to your satisfaction.
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OP hasn't logged in since March... I think we can forget about hearing from him again.
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Ya he's gone.

No smithman, no problems with my sport2. I also run a slidefire on it and it seems to handle it just fine.

I admit that I do run it WET.
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Old 06-30-2018, 10:54 PM
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I have a relatively new Sporter II and after initial inspection and cleaning, I successfully fired more than 3 magazines downrange. It is MUCH better than military garbage I was assigned nearly 50 years ago! It is barrel marked 5.56 and eats all ammo without a hiccup (Including Wolf gold).
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I have a relatively new Sporter II and after initial inspection and cleaning, I successfully fired more than 3 magazines downrange. It is MUCH better than military garbage I was assigned nearly 50 years ago! It is barrel marked 5.56 and eats all ammo without a hiccup (Including Wolf gold).
Glad to hear it. A lot of us shoot Wolf Gold as it is quality ammo, so no worries about feeding with it. Now Wolf steel case, different story.
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