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Old 05-09-2018, 10:40 AM
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I have this AR with nothing extra on it.

M&P(R)15 Sport™ II | Smith & Wesson

I would like to add a scope for shooting hogs (in the head/ear/kneck) up to 200 yards away.

My budget is about $300ish for the scope.

1. What do you recommend (make and model) as a quality scope? I was thinking 3x9 40.

2. What do you recommend as elevation mounts over the iron sights?

3. Will the extra elvation effect accuracy? I am thinking no, if I practice this way enough and get better.

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reread this your earlier thread:
When do I add Scope to AR15?
people ran down about every possible set up for you but now you start an new thread, makes me a little more sure you may be doing a little trolling here.
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:02 AM
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reread this your earlier thread:
When do I add Scope to AR15?
people ran down about every possible set up for you but now you start an new thread, makes me a little more sure you may be doing a little trolling here.
Thanks,

I am not sure why everyone gets so emotional with with this trolling stuff. Seriously, do you honestly think I would be wasting my precious time sitting here posting random stuff online just to bother people. Please stop saying I'm trolling. This my last time responding to anyone who mention I am trolling. You guys act if everyone in the world have X amount of years experience with AR. Just answer the questions so one day I can help someone else who is asking. Or I can pads the knowledge on to my family members and friends and kids. I want to teach others one day as well.

I have no idea what trolling even means. Sounds stupid. Please stop saying I'm trolling.

The forum is to ask questions for all new and experienced.

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Old 05-09-2018, 11:44 AM
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Let me ask a couple of questions:
How old are you?
Is your AR your 1st and only experience with a gun (not even a BB gun as a kid)?
Why did you pick an AR?
Do you suffer from any physical disabilities?
Sound of mind able to comprehend information and reasonably well educated?
Have a reasonable income?
With the history of your post going back to last year and still having issues why haven’t you taken a class at either:
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:22 PM
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Let me ask a couple of questions:
How old are you?
Is your AR your 1st and only experience with a gun (not even a BB gun as a kid)?
Why did you pick an AR?
Do you suffer from any physical disabilities?
Sound of mind able to comprehend information and reasonably well educated?
Have a reasonable income?
With the history of your post going back to last year and still having issues why havenít you taken a class at either:
360 Tactical Training
or
Athena Gun Club
In your area?
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:38 PM
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Mid 60s
Nope shot lots of stuff all the way back to the BB gun
Had ARs in the past for matches but not shooting 3 gun any more so gave it to the son
Old tired fat COPD diabetes count?
Depends on who you ask and what the subject matter is, had some college and attended a bunch of military training
It's taken a pretty good cut with retirement but still doing OK
I haven't had an issue learning something but lets say I wanted to play the piano, if I didn't have a natural gift for it (I don't) I'd take lessons.
Fair enough?

Let me add there are just little things in his post that make me wonder, now talking about shooting hogs not deer not just killing them but shooting them in the ear?
"I would like to add a scope for shooting hogs (in the head/ear/kneck) up to 200 yards away."

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Old 05-09-2018, 09:42 PM
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Nikon P223 3x9x40. Under $200.
Works great. Nice optics. Holds zero.
1/2 MOA is common for me with a 1/8 Sport.
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Find a good local gun store. They should be able to help with scope suggestions and a decent mount, and help you set it up.
perhaps they could also suggest some good local instruction to get the basics sorted out.
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Old 05-10-2018, 12:17 AM
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Nikon P223 3x9x40. Under $200.
Works great. Nice optics. Holds zero.
1/2 MOA is common for me with a 1/8 Sport.
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Thanks jimbo728,

I went to Academy today to look at this scope Nikon ProStaff 3 - 9 x 50 Riflescope BDC | Academy It looks very clear and good field view. I will use this for shooting hogs and practice target shooting.

I will just mount this scope to the rail (with no elevation mount) and just ignore the iron sights if they show up in view. I only need to see the cross hair.

Academy will bore sight it for me. Then I will go to the outdoor range to sight it.

Question:
1. After the Academy bore sight it, should I field sight it for about 150 yards or less? I assume the hogs I will be shooting will be about 50 to 150 yards?
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Old 05-10-2018, 12:21 AM
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Find a good local gun store. They should be able to help with scope suggestions and a decent mount, and help you set it up.
perhaps they could also suggest some good local instruction to get the basics sorted out.
Yes, I am going to Carter Country this weekend and they have an open outdoor range and will help me out with everything I need to know.
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Thanks jimbo728,

I went to Academy today to look at this scope Nikon ProStaff 3 - 9 x 50 Riflescope BDC | Academy It looks very clear and good field view. I will use this for shooting hogs and practice target shooting.

I will just mount this scope to the rail (with no elevation mount) and just ignore the iron sights if they show up in view. I only need to see the cross hair.

Academy will bore sight it for me. Then I will go to the outdoor range to sight it.

Question:
1. After the Academy bore sight it, should I field sight it for about 150 yards or less? I assume the hogs I will be shooting will be about 50 to 150 yards?
Read the manual with the scope. It will tell you what distance you need to sight it in so that the BDC is usable.
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Also, buy the Nikon mounts that go with that scope so that it is mounted at the proper height for the AR.
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I will just mount this scope to the rail (with no elevation mount) and just ignore the iron sights if they show up in view. I only need to see the cross hair.
That ain't gonna work. The scope has to be tall enough for the shooter to get a comfortable cheek weld. The crosshairs also have to be taller than the front sight. You may not see the front sight in the scope, but it's in the way nonetheless. If you're going to mount a magnified optic to your AR, make your life easy and shave the front sight.
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The front sights will not be visible with the Nikon scope, I have the nikon P223 scope on nikon p223 mounts.
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What He Said, Here's one of mine with the Nikon P223 scope mounted and it doesn't see the AR 15 front sight. It zero's as it should and its very accurate.

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fyimo: Appreciate the pic. Fixing to set up a Nikon P223 and was wondering about positioning it. Photo helps. I'm 71 years young and this is my first scope, been using iron sights all my life. Thanks.
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Also, buy the Nikon mounts that go with that scope so that it is mounted at the proper height for the AR.
I have to agree, even though I have gotten away with less expensiv3 UTG rings. The kicker is the 50mm objective on your new Pro Staff. The Nikon mounts will give more clearance with the larger objective lens.
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fyimo: Appreciate the pic. Fixing to set up a Nikon P223 and was wondering about positioning it. Photo helps. I'm 71 years young and this is my first scope, been using iron sights all my life. Thanks.
Thanks, I'm 74 by the way so I know what you are talking about.
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What He Said, Here's one of mine with the Nikon P223 scope mounted and it doesn't see the AR 15 front sight. It zero's as it should and its very accurate.

Thank you so much fyimo,

I really appreciate the help. That is the exact scope I really considering purchase from Academy.

1. What does the following mean Screenshot by Lightshot in red box.

"provides open-circle aiming points with markings from 100 to 600 yards and tactical-style turrets " ? Does the mean the scope only works for up to 600 yards.

"developed specifically for the trajectory of the .223 Rem/5.56 NATO round with a 55-grain polymer tip bullet"?

2. Does this mean the scope only works well with 55 grain bullets? Or will I have site again for high grain bullets.

3. Where did you order the Nikion rings from?
Thanks for the help

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You can use the Nikon online info site to tailor your specific load and zero to get you where you want to be.
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Tactical turrets means finger adjustable height and windage knobs with the ability to reset them to zero after sighting in. The "BDC" bullet drop compensator is set for 100 to 600 yard range. If you frequently shoot further than 600 then set your cross hairs at like 500 yds and BDC will work to 1100 yds in theory. Nikon has a chart that will allow to to type in bullet grain, caliber etc to zero the scope.
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Thank you so much fyimo,

I really appreciate the help. That is the exact scope I really considering purchase from Academy.

1. What does the following mean Screenshot by Lightshot in red box.

"provides open-circle aiming points with markings from 100 to 600 yards and tactical-style turrets " ? Does the mean the scope only works for up to 600 yards.

"developed specifically for the trajectory of the .223 Rem/5.56 NATO round with a 55-grain polymer tip bullet"?

2. Does this mean the scope only works well with 55 grain bullets? Or will I have site again for high grain bullets.

3. Where did you order the Nikion rings from?
Thanks for the help
Ok, I'll answer these for you.

1. This scope has pre-etched into the reticle small circles that are below the center crosshair, this is called a BDC (bullet drop compensation) reticle. These small circles correspond with where you bullet will hit at varying distances using a 55 grain .223 round. The first circle below the crosshair will be where your bullet hits at say 200 yards (assuming100 yard zero is spec'd by the manufacturer and that's how the reticle is set up, I didn't read the manual on the scope so I don't know specific distances of the reticle markings), the next circle below that 300 yards etc. etc. So when using the rifle and not messing with the turrets, you can aim correctly using just the small circles (knowing the distance you are trying to shoot) to adjust for bullet drop at distances. The alternate is using the turrets to dial in your distance and impact so your impact is right at the crosshairs at whatever distance. You can do either or. The BDC reticle is good for quick sighting, if you have time to adjust the turrets before you make a shot, then that way is a little more accurate generally because you can make better minor yardage adjustments. And no, this only means that the BDC reticle is marked for 600 yards, you can shoot farther by guessing the additional drop at farther distances or by using the turrets to dial in farther.

2. No, this only means the BDC reticle is pre-marked for bullet drop of a 55 grain .223 round. You can shoot other rounds, but they will drop differently based on bullet grain, velocity, etc. So if you are using a say 77 grain round and you are using the BDC reticle, the shot may hit lower than the circle (at a certain distance) because the reticle is etched for a 55 grain round and you are shooting a heavier round. Even if you re-zero for heavier rounds, they will not drop the same as a 55 grain so the BDC reticle may still not be accurate. If using heavier rounds, either again guess at the additinal drop or use the turrets.

3. I have no idea, just search for them and you'll find them.

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I would suggest the Nikon P223 (2-pc.) or M223 (1-pc.) mount to get the height correct for an AR. I bought mine at Academy. Mine is the P series mount which was less expensive. If I remember right I paid about $50-60 for it.

It has been mentioned before, but you will NOT see the front sight through the scope even though it's "in the way." I've had this scope on an AR for about four years, and it works well for me.
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What He Said, Here's one of mine with the Nikon P223 scope mounted and it doesn't see the AR 15 front sight. It zero's as it should and its very accurate.
You may want to consider a cantilever mount. This picture shows a conventional mount, which means because of the length of the scope the eyepiece is at least an 1 1/2 inches past the rear of the receiver. If you have a lot of time with ARs and this is your first scope you'll find yourself planting your eyeball into the rear of the scope until you get used to it. The cantilever mount prevents this. Also if you end up going to a larger caliber AR, say AR10, you'll definitely want cantilever mounts to prevent scope eye.
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He is a regular on the Texas Hunting Forum. He's just trying to learn. Ease up.
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