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Finally got my AR15 after waiting for it to be back in stock. It’s such a beauty but definitely needs upgrades. For years I’ve been shooting handguns and shotguns but super new to the AR15. Any advice? I plan on taking it to an outdoor range. But I’ve heard of unintended discharge, and that worries me a tad. Any input? Thanks!


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Congratulations! They are fun rifles, and endlessly accessorisable (is that a word?). I’ve never had an unintended discharge - not saying that it can’t happen, but if everything is functioning as it should, they’re not a concern. As for advice, well, ammo, and magazines. And range time. Oh, and maybe a red dot or a low powered scope. And keep it lubed. Have fun with your new arrival.
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Before you rush to modify anything, shoot the heck out of it until it's like your old pair of shoes - comfy and familiar. Then you won't waste time and money trying out trinkets that you'll find you don't need or like.
Even optics, which are good, I'd wait until you see just how good the iron post/ghost ring and peep sights are. You'll be pleasantly surprised how well you shoot with just them.
Have fun, I only hope you can find ammo and magazines right now.
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Before you rush to modify anything, shoot the heck out of it until it's like your old pair of shoes - comfy and familiar. Then you won't waste time and money trying out trinkets that you'll find you don't need or like.
Even optics, which are good, I'd wait until you see just how good the iron post/ghost ring and peep sights are. You'll be pleasantly surprised how well you shoot with just them.
Have fun, I only hope you can find ammo and magazines right now.

What he said. I put a red dot on mine and I have a scope on QD mounts I haven't even sighted in yet. Get used to the irons before you add another sighting system.
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I’d worry more about other people’s negligent discharges, a well maintained AR won’t go off on its own.

As others have said, mags and ammo, a good cleaning kit, and research on its care and function.

They are great firearms for everything from plinking to home defense.

Pretty much like Barbie dolls for men, there are so many options and accessories, you will end up with more than one eventually, trust me.
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Not affiliated, just a customer.... gunmagwarehouse has a sale going on .223 mags.......10 @ $104. I’d move quick on this
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Congrats on your new AR. I agree with what has been mentioned previously. Become totally familiar with it before doing any modifications. Spend your money on ammo, magazines, and training.
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I've owned various ARs for years and generally do not put accessories on them. Shoot the snot out of it is highly recommended. Enjoy your rifle while you can still own one!
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I have thousands of rounds downrange with M16 and AR 15's. I have never experienced a discharge that was unintended. I have seen it happen, but will say that each time it was with a AR that had been modified and tinkered with by someone who really didn't quite know what they were doing or why they were doing it. With a new as-manufactured rifle, please consider the advice previously provided and shoot it as is for a while prior to falling into the "I gotta modify" abyss. Honestly, most of the time it really doesn't need to be done.
The advice to spend money now on ammunition and magazines is very sound. Without those, the piece is a decoration only.
What make and model did you get?
The vast majority of them get the job done quite well without making any alterations. Now, if you get into target or competitive shooting, that would be a different story, and purchasing a higher end AR could be the solution.... but I don't know what you have now.
I recall an earlier post about getting one for your husband I think.
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When it comes to an AR-15, less really is more.

I started shooting tactical rifle matches in the late 1980s, mostly because there was often a match the same weekend at the same ranges where I shot service rifle matches with my M1A.

I shot my first tactical rifle match after hearing about it 2 days prior. They had both a .30 caliber "battle rifle" division and a "light rifle" division for .223 and other intermediate rounds. My M1A would be fine for the battle rattle, but I did not own an AR-15 or Mini 14 at the time, so I bought a very nice surplus M1 Carbine for $125, both boxes of surplus .30 M1 carbine ball ammo the shop had, and three new surplus 30 round magazines. I used 10 rounds to zero the M1 carbine on an adjacent range just before the match and then shot the match.

When I showed up with it, the AR-15 crowd gave me a lot of condescending looks while talking amongst themselves about the advantages and benefits of heavy barrels, muzzle brakes, their various optics choices and their custom triggers and other mods on their mostly 16" AR-15 carbines. I and my M1 carbine were not regarded as contenders at all, especially given that there were targets on the 200 yard line. I won the battle rattle division and took second place in the light rifle division, behind the match organizer and his HK93. Which of course meant me and my M1 carbine beat every single highly modified AR-15 there that day.

The takeaway here is that it's not the gun as much as it is the shooter.

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Fast forward 25 or so years, I'd moved a couple times dropped out of tactical rifle shooting and then joined a rifle and pistol club that decided to start having tactical rifle matches. It was a little different this time as picatinny rails were all the rage and shooters were taking light and handy M4geries and hanging about 3 pounds of tacticool crud on them, slowing them down for no useful purpose.

By this time I had a number of AR-15s in various configurations, but I chose to use an XM-177E2 clone as the majority of the targets were short range and the longest was at the 100 yard line, a light, fast handling carbine with standard aperture sights was far more effective than a tarted up M4 with a red dot or reflex sight and all kinds of useless tactical stuff hanging off it. People were again surprised that I shot so well with such a plane jane carbine.

What people forget is that picatinny rails are used in the military so that the weapon can be quickly configured with just what it needs - and only what it needs - for a specific purpose, not to enable it to carry every accessory in the inventory at the same time.



The other mistake people make with "upgrading" an AR-15 is thinking it needs some level of improved quality in the parts. Back in the day "mil-spec" was the thing people wanted. That generally signalled that the person telling you mil-spec was the thing to have, had:
1) never actually been in the military,
2) didn't actually understand what mil spec meant, and
3) didn't understand the differences between the military's needs and his or her actual uses for the rifle or carbine.

Now, it's evolved somewhat to high end top tier parts, which not surprisingly are promoted by top tier companies and the shooters they sponsor (and echoed by all the wannabees who want to sound knowledgeable). Most of those "improvements", and in particular piston driven AR-15s, all have sharp downsides or other compromises that create other potential flaws. There's no free lunch.

With the exception of Colt and FN, both of whom were given the original technical data packages, all AR-15s on the market are reverse engineered from a Colt. Virtually all of them have been reverse engineered quite well and provided the parts meet minimum specifications, parts are parts and they'll be plenty good enough.

There have been companies that made out of spec uppers, lowers and other parts, but they come and then go very quickly and are widely known and reviled in short order. You'll also find ****** barrels that were not properly stress relieved, but those are quick, easy and not to expensive to replace.

If you buy a mid tier AR-15 from a reputable company from PSA on up, it'll be just fine (maybe a new barrel for the PSA). Rock River, DPMS, S&W and Ruger are all good examples of companies that make decent mid tier AR-15s that don't need to be futzed with. Buy it shoot it a lot, and then decide what if anything might make it more enjoyable for you to shoot.
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The only upgrade any long gun needs are good sights/scope, a good sling, magazines if applicable and lots of ammo.

Don't go down the same pathetic path with endless nonsense AR15 upgrades. 90% of that nonsense equipment that's being sold today is not needed. Not for the regular everyday citizen anyway, mil and le guns are suited for a specific task, they don't carry all the gadgets all the time. Well, some do and we make fun of them
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I own a Ruger AR 15 that is stock except for the Vortex Strike Fire Red Dot sight I added.
The rifle is very fun, completely reliable and is 100% capable of killing all the paper Zombies I encounter at the range.
Buying an AR encouraged me to buy some Tannerite targets that now sit on my shelf. I hope to try them soon.

I bought a bunch of mags with it, but usually only load them to only 20 rounds and try to shoot slower, so I burn less ammo and keep the focus on accuracy.

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I’d worry more about other people’s negligent discharges, a well maintained AR won’t go off on its own.

As others have said, mags and ammo, a good cleaning kit, and research on its care and function.

They are great firearms for everything from plinking to home defense.

Pretty much like Barbie dolls for men, there are so many options and accessories, you will end up with more than one eventually, trust me.
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When it comes to an AR-15, less really is more.

I started shooting tactical rifle matches in the late 1980s, mostly because there was often a match the same weekend at the same ranges where I shot service rifle matches with my M1A.

I shot my first tactical rifle match after hearing about it 2 days prior. They had both a .30 caliber "battle rifle" division and a "light rifle" division for .223 and other intermediate rounds. My M1A would be fine for the battle rattle, but I did not own an AR-15 or Mini 14 at the time, so I bought a very nice surplus M1 Carbine for $125, both boxes of surplus .30 M1 carbine ball ammo the shop had, and three new surplus 30 round magazines. I used 10 rounds to zero the M1 carbine on an adjacent range just before the match and then shot the match.

When I showed up with it, the AR-15 crowd gave me a lot of condescending looks while talking amongst themselves about the advantages and benefits of heavy barrels, muzzle brakes, their various optics choices and their custom triggers and other mods on their mostly 16" AR-15 carbines. I and my M1 carbine were not regarded as contenders at all, especially given that there were targets on the 200 yard line. I won the battle rattle division and took second place in the light rifle division, behind the match organizer and his HK93. Which of course meant me and my M1 carbine beat every single highly modified AR-15 there that day.

The takeaway here is that it's not the gun as much as it is the shooter.

----

Fast forward 25 or so years, I'd moved a couple times dropped out of tactical rifle shooting and then joined a rifle and pistol club that decided to start having tactical rifle matches. It was a little different this time as picatinny rails were all the rage and shooters were taking light and handy M4geries and hanging about 3 pounds of tacticool crud on them, slowing them down for no useful purpose.

By this time I had a number of AR-15s in various configurations, but I chose to use an XM-177E2 clone as the majority of the targets were short range and the longest was at the 100 yard line, a light, fast handling carbine with standard aperture sights was far more effective than a tarted up M4 with a red dot or reflex sight and all kinds of useless tactical stuff hanging off it. People were again surprised that I shot so well with such a plane jane carbine.

What people forget is that picatinny rails are used in the military so that the weapon can be quickly configured with just what it needs - and only what it needs - for a specific purpose, not to enable it to carry every accessory in the inventory at the same time.



The other mistake people make with "upgrading" an AR-15 is thinking it needs some level of improved quality in the parts. Back in the day "mil-spec" was the thing people wanted. That generally signalled that the person telling you mil-spec was the thing to have, had:
1) never actually been in the military,
2) didn't actually understand what mil spec meant, and
3) didn't understand the differences between the military's needs and his or her actual uses for the rifle or carbine.

Now, it's evolved somewhat to high end top tier parts, which not surprisingly are promoted by top tier companies and the shooters they sponsor (and echoed by all the wannabees who want to sound knowledgeable). Most of those "improvements", and in particular piston driven AR-15s, all have sharp downsides or other compromises that create other potential flaws. There's no free lunch.

With the exception of Colt and FN, both of whom were given the original technical data packages, all AR-15s on the market are reverse engineered from a Colt. Virtually all of them have been reverse engineered quite well and provided the parts meet minimum specifications, parts are parts and they'll be plenty good enough.

There have been companies that made out of spec uppers, lowers and other parts, but they come and then go very quickly and are widely known and reviled in short order. You'll also find ****** barrels that were not properly stress relieved, but those are quick, easy and not to expensive to replace.

If you buy a mid tier AR-15 from a reputable company from PSA on up, it'll be just fine (maybe a new barrel for the PSA). Rock River, DPMS, S&W and Ruger are all good examples of companies that make decent mid tier AR-15s that don't need to be futzed with. Buy it shoot it a lot, and then decide what if anything might make it more enjoyable for you to shoot.
BB57, you made a great summation. Having been a combat veteran of by-gone years, you're right that sometimes "more is less." Even with 74 year old eyes, I still rather have open sights and "kentucky windage" than the frills. Just my 2 cents.
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Before you rush to modify anything, shoot the heck out of it until it's like your old pair of shoes - comfy and familiar. Then you won't waste time and money trying out trinkets that you'll find you don't need or like.
Even optics, which are good, I'd wait until you see just how good the iron post/ghost ring and peep sights are. You'll be pleasantly surprised how well you shoot with just them.
Have fun, I only hope you can find ammo and magazines right now.
This is the best advice. I have a Magpul handguard, 2 point sling, 1-6 scope. But I shot it for quite a while with a red dot and pop up iron sights.

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Finally got my AR15 after waiting for it to be back in stock. It’s such a beauty but definitely needs upgrades. For years I’ve been shooting handguns and shotguns but super new to the AR15. Any advice? I plan on taking it to an outdoor range. But I’ve heard of unintended discharge, and that worries me a tad. Any input? Thanks!


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More than a few people (including myself) have bought upgrades for guns only to find another similar upgrade more to their liking.

The first bought upgrades end up in yard sales.
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The Portland AR of recent events was bare of optics, gadgets and doodads.
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Sold a junk AR I put together out of cheap parts and used the proceeds to get a G19x and extra magazines. IMO I came out way ahead on that one.
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I started shooting tactical rifle matches in the late 1980s, mostly because there was often a match the same weekend at the same ranges where I shot service rifle matches with my M1A.

I shot my first tactical rifle match after hearing about it 2 days prior. They had both a .30 caliber "battle rifle" division and a "light rifle" division for .223 and other intermediate rounds. My M1A would be fine for the battle rattle, but I did not own an AR-15 or Mini 14 at the time, so I bought a very nice surplus M1 Carbine for $125, both boxes of surplus .30 M1 carbine ball ammo the shop had, and three new surplus 30 round magazines. I used 10 rounds to zero the M1 carbine on an adjacent range just before the match and then shot the match.

When I showed up with it, the AR-15 crowd gave me a lot of condescending looks while talking amongst themselves about the advantages and benefits of heavy barrels, muzzle brakes, their various optics choices and their custom triggers and other mods on their mostly 16" AR-15 carbines. I and my M1 carbine were not regarded as contenders at all, especially given that there were targets on the 200 yard line. I won the battle rattle division and took second place in the light rifle division, behind the match organizer and his HK93. Which of course meant me and my M1 carbine beat every single highly modified AR-15 there that day.

The takeaway here is that it's not the gun as much as it is the shooter.

----

Fast forward 25 or so years, I'd moved a couple times dropped out of tactical rifle shooting and then joined a rifle and pistol club that decided to start having tactical rifle matches. It was a little different this time as picatinny rails were all the rage and shooters were taking light and handy M4geries and hanging about 3 pounds of tacticool crud on them, slowing them down for no useful purpose.

By this time I had a number of AR-15s in various configurations, but I chose to use an XM-177E2 clone as the majority of the targets were short range and the longest was at the 100 yard line, a light, fast handling carbine with standard aperture sights was far more effective than a tarted up M4 with a red dot or reflex sight and all kinds of useless tactical stuff hanging off it. People were again surprised that I shot so well with such a plane jane carbine.

What people forget is that picatinny rails are used in the military so that the weapon can be quickly configured with just what it needs - and only what it needs - for a specific purpose, not to enable it to carry every accessory in the inventory at the same time.

The other mistake people make with "upgrading" an AR-15 is thinking it needs some level of improved quality in the parts. Back in the day "mil-spec" was the thing people wanted. That generally signaled that the person telling you mil-spec was the thing to have, had:
1) never actually been in the military,
2) didn't actually understand what mil spec meant, and
3) didn't understand the differences between the military's needs and his or her actual uses for the rifle or carbine.

Now, it's evolved somewhat to high end top tier parts, which not surprisingly are promoted by top tier companies and the shooters they sponsor (and echoed by all the wannabees who want to sound knowledgeable). Most of those "improvements", and in particular piston driven AR-15s, all have sharp downsides or other compromises that create other potential flaws. There's no free lunch.

With the exception of Colt and FN, both of whom were given the original technical data packages, all AR-15s on the market are reverse engineered from a Colt. Virtually all of them have been reverse engineered quite well and provided the parts meet minimum specifications, parts are parts and they'll be plenty good enough.

There have been companies that made out of spec uppers, lowers and other parts, but they come and then go very quickly and are widely known and reviled in short order. You'll also find ****** barrels that were not properly stress relieved, but those are quick, easy and not to expensive to replace.

If you buy a mid tier AR-15 from a reputable company from PSA on up, it'll be just fine (maybe a new barrel for the PSA). Rock River, DPMS, S&W and Ruger are all good examples of companies that make decent mid tier AR-15s that don't need to be futzed with. Buy it shoot it a lot, and then decide what if anything might make it more enjoyable for you to shoot.
My input advice, Deniece.R1987,... is as follows:
SAVE THIS ADVICE! It is imperative for you to follow this as much as possible as you go forward in life. We ALL want you to succeed here, however your original statement sounds a bit rather too assured/assertive to assure most of us on the forum:
"...Finally got my AR15 after waiting for it to be back in stock. It’s such a beauty but definitely needs upgrades. For years I’ve been shooting handguns and shotguns but super new to the AR15. Any advice?..."

BB57 is dead on , on how to proceed... 8-) And by the way WELCOME to the Forum!
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I am like the OP in that while i have experience with handguns will be getting my first sporting rifle (Sport 2) shortly. But while these may be simple to personalize, I will wait until i have spent some serious time getting to know it and see what my likes/dislikes may be. Then if something is available that can approve it for me I can check into it. But as I didnt start this hobby until i was 50, thousands of rounds dont always equal years of experience so all my handguns are stock as well. Not against modifications just havent found anything i had to have yet.
Best comparison i can think of is if I never drove a hi-po car and suddenly bought a new Mustang GT. Sure it can be modded but why not get a feel for what it can do first lol. I may find it is perfect as is.
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I am like the OP in that while i have experience with handguns will be getting my first sporting rifle (Sport 2) shortly. But while these may be simple to personalize, I will wait until i have spent some serious time getting to know it and see what my likes/dislikes may be. Then if something is available that can approve it for me I can check into it. But as I didnt start this hobby until i was 50, thousands of rounds dont always equal years of experience so all my handguns are stock as well. Not against modifications just havent found anything i had to have yet.
Best comparison i can think of is if I never drove a hi-po car and suddenly bought a new Mustang GT. Sure it can be modded but why not get a feel for what it can do first lol. I may find it is perfect as is.
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Old 09-04-2020, 08:18 PM
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I am like the OP in that while i have experience with handguns will be getting my first sporting rifle (Sport 2) shortly. But while these may be simple to personalize, I will wait until i have spent some serious time getting to know it and see what my likes/dislikes may be. Then if something is available that can approve it for me I can check into it. But as I didnt start this hobby until i was 50, thousands of rounds dont always equal years of experience so all my handguns are stock as well. Not against modifications just havent found anything i had to have yet.
Best comparison i can think of is if I never drove a hi-po car and suddenly bought a new Mustang GT. Sure it can be modded but why not get a feel for what it can do first lol. I may find it is perfect as is.
I didn't get an AR til I was 63. I did have an AK back in the 80's but didn't keep it long. I've owned guns since I was 10 and never really felt the need to mod any of them except for sights on rifles here and there. I have a Sport II and so far I don't see a need to change anything. It's easy to get caught up in the hype of you gotta have a better hand guard or a better trigger or a better stock or, or, or, or, or. Yeah some of those things would be nice additions, but necessary? Nope. Mine works just fine like it is.
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I carried a M 16 in Vietnam so I was used to the iron sight. As I got older I found that I need the Red Dot Optic sights. I like the ones with a Red and Green dots. I have found that in the bright sun light that as the distance increases the Red dot fades out. Where as the Green Dot is still visible at a longer range. So try to check out several different ones to se what works for you.
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Most ARs come with 8lb triggers which is not great for 350 yard prairie dog accuracy but adequate for humanoid size targets. It all depends on what you use your rifle for, and AR 15s can be very versatile.
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I would say if I want to shoot any distance then w/ my cruddy eyesight a scope or red dot may go on. Even my Tcr22 ended up with a scope as anything near 50 yds or beyond just doesnt work for me using the stock (nice fiber optic front) sights. Though still getting used to the scope, I do prefer stock sights. So if i keep the Sport 2 for mostly range and fun at 50 or less yds i will try to make do with the iron sights. If my eyes dont help lol then an optic is next. But not until i truly know what any limitations I may have with the gun as is.
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I did put an inexpensive Holosun red dot on mine and can still use the irons with it mounted. I bought a set of QD rings for a scope I had laying around and not using. I mounted it one time for a pic and haven't even sighted it in yet and may never.



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... The only upgrade any long gun needs are good sights/scope, a good sling, magazines if applicable and lots of ammo...
... and a good weaponlight if you’re going to use it for home defense.
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... and a good weaponlight if you’re going to use it for home defense.
I don't see the need to have a light. I know my house in the dark. They don't.
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Don't get me wrong I have one AR15 with a light on it. But I was taught in the Police Academy that a perp will fire at the light. That why we were taught to hold the flash light away from our bodies. So all my other ARs that I have. Do not have a light on them. I prefer a hand held flash light. But it your AR so set it up like you want.
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I don't see the need to have a light. I know my house in the dark. They don't.
Because you want to be sure of your target. I have weaponlights on my home defense weaponry (AR15’s, Riot Guns, and pistols). Also have flashlights but weaponlights are nice to have. YMMV
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Don't get me wrong I have one AR15 with a light on it. But I was taught in the Police Academy that a perp will fire at the light. That why we were taught to hold the flash light away from our bodies. So all my other ARs that I have. Do not have a light on them. I prefer a hand held flash light. But it your AR so set it up like you want.
A) It's just a little difficult operating a light in one hand, and a long gun in the other at the same time.

B) If you're clearing buildings and need to illuminate an area/room....you need a weapon mounted light. Preferable a light that is operated with a momentary/sustained switch, whether it's mounted directly on the light, or, a pressure tape switch).
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In my 30 Year career. I have searched many a building with just a handgun and a hand held flashlight. Just as was said a long gun is very hard to manage while holding a flash light. So maybe your better off with a gun mounted light.
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Because you want to be sure of your target. I have weaponlights on my home defense weaponry (AR15’s, Riot Guns, and pistols). Also have flashlights but weaponlights are nice to have. YMMV
You're exactly right. That bump in the night inside your house...the intruder...is it someone breaking in to do you harm or your family member up and about or coming in after curfew. Gotta make damn sure BEFORE you pull the trigger! Couldn't forgive yourself or live with yourself if it was the latter.

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Don't get me wrong I have one AR15 with a light on it. But I was taught in the Police Academy that a perp will fire at the light. That why we were taught to hold the flash light away from our bodies. So all my other ARs that I have. Do not have a light on them. I prefer a hand held flash light. But it your AR so set it up like you want.
The difference here is that the OP won't be going into dark and scary places looking for bad guys with a steadily illuminated light. Instead he'll be momentarily illuminating an intruder to confirm the need to fire. It'll be a brief flash to illuminate the target and then engage - or not. There's only a brief target for the intruder to see and if you are also side stepping when you illuminate you won't be where you were.
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