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I've had my SW9VE for a few years. No failures of any kind. I have big hands and grew up shooting DA revolvers so I actually am very comfortable with the trigger. I find the quality to be very good for this price point, and I have no issues with accuracy. It's not a Kimber but I wasn't hoping it would be.
As a nightstand home defender and occasional concealed carry to supplant my Ruger LCP it works great.
This debate is like a Ford vs. Chevy thing...nobody is ever gonna agree.
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Great comments so far! I hope we can get a fair number who simply say " I own a Sigma XXX and I have put XXX rounds thru it. My experience has been...." What? Click? Snap? Crack or Bang? Thanks
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I own a Sigma SW40GVE and have put 500+ rounds through it. Had no malfunctions until after shooting several hundred rounds of the filthy cheap Winchester white box ammo without cleaning. Did a VERY thorough strip & clean and function has been restored to 100%. I have also "dry fired" the trigger several hundred times and the pull is very acceptable.
I prefer it to my Glock 22RTF but not to my .40 Hi Power (of course). The Glock is my nightstand gun with a mounted light but the Sigma & Hi Power go to the range and actually get shot. I like the Sigma and if I was not already well stocked with .40s & pistols in general would by another for back up.
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I just bought a Sigma SW9VE and love it! Haven't put any rounds through mine yet, but a good friend owns the same gun and was gracious enough to let me put about 200+ rounds through it to get a good read on it.
I thought about holding out for a glock 19, but for the money, ($299) and the $50 dollar rebate, I just couldn't pass it up. Yes, the trigger pull is a little heavier then a glock, but no complaints here. I enjoy the added safety that offers, and can train myself to get used to it. I am still on target, even with the heavier trigger pull.
Anyone in here done the trigger modification on their's? Would be curious to hear some feed back on it.
All in all, I love my SW9VE and don't regret buying it for a minute. Very easy to field strip and clean.
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Thank you sir! I certainly am!
My oldest daughter is my shooting partner. I taught her how to shoot with my Blackhawk. She has pretty much taken over the sigma; we both love the gun!
My baby girl (16) has just taken an interest in learning. She wants a 22.
We will accomidate!
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I have a 40VE. Received it as a present a few years ago. I really want to like this pistol, but after smoothing the action, trying different grip styles and stances I've arranged to trade it for an M&P .40.
I think it's a well made gun, and I can live with the trigger, but in order to make it comfortable to shoot, I would have to cut and alter the beavertail. No matter how I hold this thing, it bites the web of my hand. By the end of a 14 roung mag, I'm ready to put the gun down and pick up something else.
Over the last 3 years I've put over 1,000 rounds through it. It never missed a beat, even with my handloads. Reliable and reasonably accurate. I think it's a good gun - it just doesn't fit my hand and shooting style. I'm glad it does for others though, because it is a bargain for the price and is NOT junk.
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I bought my SW40VE in Feb of '08. cost was $165 after the rebate and I also received 2 free mags in that deal. After more than 3000 rnds through it I have never had a fail to fire, eject or anything. I did send it back to the factory after shooting a few +P+ Georgia Arms rounds through it and cracking the front left frame rail. S&W replaced the frame and installed free Trijicon night sights on it for my trouble. The trigger on mine got alot better after I installed Wolff's reduced power striker spring and then did a fluff and buff on the internals. It is easily my favorite polymer pistol even compared to my XD45 and 709 Taurus. I appreciate the prople that hate this gun and welcome them to keep ranting as they are helping the prices to stay low and when I am ready to buy my wifes next pistol that will come in handy.
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....I appreciate the prople that hate this gun and welcome them to keep ranting as they are helping the prices to stay low and when I am ready to buy my wifes next pistol that will come in handy.
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Ha ha ha! Right on!!!!
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My first guns were revolvers so the trigger pull was a non-issue. The Sigma is one of the very, very few polymer frame guns that I own. No issues at all with it. The grip angle just makes it feel very good in the hand.
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This discussion has me thinking I'll buy a Sigma. I don't own any S&W semi-auto's and it looks like prices on these are pretty reasonable.
I asked the local gun ship owners why folks dislike Sigma's. All said that it's a heavy trigger but that they seem to be reliable and an excellent value.
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Excellent results with mine....
Went to the range this morning with my brand new Sigma 9VE....
Ran off 100 rounds...slow fire...rapid fire...without a hiccup of any kind....
The trigger will take some getting used to, but I'm a revolver guy anyway so no big deal...
Besides, I did not buy the Sigma to be a target pistol...
Very pleased at $275 out-the-door after rebate...
Great value...
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Went to the range this morning with my brand new Sigma 9VE....
Ran off 100 rounds...slow fire...rapid fire...without a hiccup of any kind....
The trigger will take some getting used to, but I'm a revolver guy anyway so no big deal...
Besides, I did not buy the Sigma to be a target pistol...
Very pleased at $275 out-the-door after rebate...
Great value...
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I took my SW40VE out to the range yesterday. This was the first time out for the pistol. I bought the Sigma about six weeks ago. Anyway, I ran a 100 rounds at slow fire and did not have any issues. The trigger was not a problem. Like Kapuna I am a revolver guy. I also had my model 10 and my old Ruger Police Service Six. The triggers on all three were not very different. All longer than a single action. My Sigma was very controllable just like my two revolvers. For the money I don't think you can beat a Sigma either in 9mm or 40SW.
I am a happy Sigma owner.
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You are now part of a HUGE group of people who are satisfied Sigma owners who purchased, used and kept them in spite of the opinions of others.
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You are now part of a HUGE group of people who are satisfied Sigma owners who purchased, used and kept them in spite of the opinions of others.
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Well you know what they say about opinions:
Opinions are like a certain body part... Everyone has one and they usually stink!
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As a former Sigma owner, I'll never touch one again. I just didn't care for it at all.
However, different strokes for different folks as they say. I'd never begrudge someone for wanting / buying a Sigma. There are plenty of other non-Sigma firearms I have the same attitude about.
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Issues with my SW9VE right out of the box! Any Suggestions?
Picked a SW9VE Allied Forces Edition on Friday and went to the range Saturday. First 10 rounds went through flawless... Second mag after 4 shots, feed issue. Noticed that the round was stuck trying to feed into the chamber... this happened several times (only shot 50 rounds). Using Remmington 15gr FMJ's.Also had 1 stove pipe as well... My brother, who is a grunt, said it may be the mag or the gun may have been dry and needed to be cleaned and oiled... I took it home and cleaned it and noticed there was pretty dry and pretty dirty (for only shooting 50 rounds). Oiled and cleaned... Taking it back to the range in a few days to see if it helps...
Any other thoughts on what could have caused a brand new, right out of the box gun to perform this way. Has anyone else had this issue with this model?
I must say though, when it did fire, it was very accurate and fun to shoot...
Hope this issue is not a recurring thing!
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mine still has the factory oil on it.. i haven't shot mine yet
i need to get off of my duff and do so i'll give a report
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Picked a SW9VE Allied Forces Edition on Friday and went to the range Saturday. First 10 rounds went through flawless... Second mag after 4 shots, feed issue. Noticed that the round was stuck trying to feed into the chamber... this happened several times (only shot 50 rounds). Using Remmington 15gr FMJ's.Also had 1 stove pipe as well... My brother, who is a grunt, said it may be the mag or the gun may have been dry and needed to be cleaned and oiled... I took it home and cleaned it and noticed there was pretty dry and pretty dirty (for only shooting 50 rounds). Oiled and cleaned... Taking it back to the range in a few days to see if it helps...
Any other thoughts on what could have caused a brand new, right out of the box gun to perform this way. Has anyone else had this issue with this model?
I must say though, when it did fire, it was very accurate and fun to shoot...
Hope this issue is not a recurring thing!
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I know you didn't mean 15gr. I suspect you meant 115grs.
I had a few failure to feeds with 155 gr. when my 40VE only had about 100 rnds thru it. 165 and 180gr. no problems at all. Decided to let the gun break in a bit more before I tried 155s again.
Don't know if the something similar would happen with the 9mm, but you might want to try different weights.
Not to say it's not a mag problem, but swap mags and ammo to verify.
Sigmas like to run 'dry'. Drop of oil on the 4 metal pieces on the frame, and a drop on top of the barrel.
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Any new gun should be cleaned and properly lubricated when taken out of the box, BEFORE shooting. Magazines, too.
Last gun to get cussed out on the range was a brand-new Kimber.
"Why should I have to clean it, it's brand new?"
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I'd like to quote at least 3 posts to this thread, but to make a long story short.
Firearms from the factory are lubed with a preservative. Some are not even cleaned from their test firing. I always clean any new firearm and lube it before firing. Cleaning for the obvious reason and lubing because preservative oils are different from lube oils.
I've not had any problems with magazines, but if you need to clean and lube use silicone and wipe them down inside and out.
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I had a few light primer strikes and a stovepipe if the first 100 rounds. This was to be my EDC so I sent it back. They opened up the throat, polished the feed ramp, replaced the recoil rod and spring and "adjusted" the trigger. After about 1200 malf free rounds the striker broke. Looking at it you could see a flaw in the metal and S&W (L&S this time) assured me dry fire won't break anything and they also did another trigger job. I have put at least 400 more malf free down the pipe, polished the sear where the pin rides up and down. It is not just OK but really a good trigger. I bought this one about two years ago and bought my wife one about 7-8 months ago. Her trigger is very good right out the box. I believe S&W are putting out a fine weapon and to the nay sayers, y'all are missing the boat if you're looking for a safe, reliable self defense weapon. It's not an H&K and an H&K ain't a Les Bear and etc. I'll not bash Glock (I do however refer to the Sigma as the "Made In USA" Glock. Tounge in cheek of course), it's a matter of choice. We're all on the same side here!
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Just got my 9VE back from SW. Was having FTF due to a faulty extractor. Total turnaround in 7 days. I still think it is a fine gun, but I'll keep my 870 right where it is.
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I am at 1,000 rounds (9mm) without a problem! Great comments by everyone and sympathy to the few that had some issues. I have tracked down numerous range masters and instructors and could not find any who had witnessed any malfunctions higher than they have seen with other models. I am going to buy another this Saturday for the wife!
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I came across this thread while I was reading up on some stuff for my brother who owns a 9ve. I had a 40ve which I just unburdened myself of yesterday by selling it to another gentleman who seemed excited to have it.
I had numerous FTE's with the gun out of the box...did everything I could to try and alleviate the problem without actually replacing parts. It got to the point where the gun seized up and could not fire without jamming a round. Naturally I sent it in to LSG due to Frank's reputation for great customer service and fast turn around.
I had called Frank after a week to see if he had a chance to look at my gun as I was anxious to get it back and sell it. He said he was replacing it with a stronger extractor and that should be it. I also mentioned I thought it shot low, which he said it could be my shooting style. But not being a first time semi auto owner I notified him I didn't believe it was a rookie mistake. He fired it and replaced the front sight as well.
On a side note when I called in and he was trying to locate my particular fire arm, he asked me what gun it was. I told him a 40cal sigma with jamming issues, he jokingly replied "well that narrows it down to about 300 I got here"
I guess this happens more frequently than it should. Personally I was not sad sad to see this one go. But I couldn't in good conscious sell a broken gun to some on excited to own a sigma (didn't wanna ruin it for someone else). I hope everything was worked out with it. I didn't even fire it once I had it back as I had someone waiting to buy it. But at this point I don't really care, it's no longer an annoyance in my life.
Through this whole experience I was let down by the firearm, but turned on by S&W's customer service, warranty, and fellowship of owners. I have become a big fan of Smith and Wesson and I ended up purchasing a CS40 which better suits my carrying needs.
My brother still enjoys his 9VE, as he only uses it for HD purposes and wasn't looking for a versatile firearm.
I guess the lesson here is you get what you pay for...and I paid for an entry level firearm, and got entry level problems for my money.
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I guess this happens more frequently than it should. Personally I was not sad sad to see this one go. But I couldn't in good conscious sell a broken gun to some on excited to own a sigma (didn't wanna ruin it for someone else). I hope everything was worked out with it. I didn't even fire it once I had it back as I had someone waiting to buy it. But at this point I don't really care, it's no longer an annoyance in my life.
Yet . . . in post after post you continue trying "ruin it for someone else" with your words. We all get it: you don't like Sigmas; you bought a lemon. That's too bad-- we're sorry it happened. So why don't you move on now and leave the Sigma forum -- permanently!
The same story and bad mouthing over and over is wearing thin.
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I guess this happens more frequently than it should. Personally I was not sad sad to see this one go. But I couldn't in good conscious sell a broken gun to some on excited to own a sigma (didn't wanna ruin it for someone else). I hope everything was worked out with it. I didn't even fire it once I had it back as I had someone waiting to buy it. But at this point I don't really care, it's no longer an annoyance in my life.
Yet . . . in post after post you continue trying "ruin it for someone else" with your words. We all get it: you don't like Sigmas; you bought a lemon. That's too bad-- we're sorry it happened. So why don't you move on now and leave the Sigma forum -- permanently!
The same story and bad mouthing over and over is wearing thin.
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I don't think a warranty center having a shop full of over 300 faulty Sigmas constitutes mine to be a "lemon." I think it's a mere testament to the boxes of **** S&W is selling in the form of a Sigma.
And i think anyone looking to buy one should be aware of the possibly ******** they'll have to deal with. Also if I want to I could probably start a whole forum with all the complaints and malfunctions I've seen posted on in this forum...if you dont like it then dont read it...
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Atlanta: Did you ever actually send it back to SW for service? I'm not disputing the abilities of another gunsmith but I'm just wondering (maybe I missed something) if you even gave SW a chance to make it right.
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I have seen many many people say this gun sucks or that gun sucks after purchasing their first or early automatics. I was one of them, FTE left and right, stovepiping, shooting low etc. My brother recently had the same issues. 99% of the time it is "rookie" mistakes and can be corrected by simple changes and practice. The 40v is a snappy little pistol with a fair amount of recoil. If you have even the slightest weakness in your wrists it will cause problems and you will have issues with ejections. It doesn't have to be a sigma for this to happen as I have seen first hand on many occasions. I have personally picked up guns that people claimed have problems and shot them all day with 0 problems. Truth is no one likes to hear the problem is them and they like to place blame. If the firearm is at fault S&W will fix it, but if you are the problem the only fix is practice and sometimes some professional help. I know I was ready to blame the sigma for all my problems until a professional shot 250 rounds through it in about 2 hours and had 0 issues.
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Sigmas are like many Tauruses - Good gun/Bad rep. I have both and have had no failures from either!
There . . .that ought to warm things up a bit
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I have both also, and have no problems either. Sometimes the good fortune just must be luck?
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It has always cracked me up that the folks on Glock Talk speak more kindly about the Sigma than folks here on the S&W forum. Go figure. It would be interesting to find out how many units of Sigma have been sold, vs. the rest of favorite flavors. Anyone have a clue?
The other puzzle is this. If the Sigma is as bad as the "experts" say it is, why does it sell like hotcakes?
Mine has been flawless and it is an easy every day carry in concealment.
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I'll say something nice about Glock, just to help even the score a little. Took my Sigma 9 to the range yesterday and shot another 200 rounds through her with no problems whatsoever. Enjoyed my afternoon, for sure.
While there, I met a couple of cops who were using the range. I let them shoot my PF9 and one let me shoot his Glock 40. While I love my Sigma, I have to say his Glock was a sweet shooting piece. Deadly accurate in this novice's hands, as well. Much more so than my Sigma, I'm afraid. Peaked my interest, for sure. While neither actually knocked my Sigma, I have to say they did tout their Glocks a lot. Without saying so much, I knew they felt I was completely outgunned. I didn't mind, especially knowing they had twice as much in their Glocks. As I said, I did find a new found respect for Glocks.
However, the other one let me shoot a gun that really got my attention. He had a S&W 640 Airweight revolver that I would have taken off his hands on the spot. Gosh, that was a sweet shooting little pocket gun. Deadly accurate, for a snub nose, and just a pure pleasure to shoot. I had just finished running 200 rounds through my PF9 and the difference in the abuse was more than notable. The little gun was even more pocketable than my PF9 and shot like a champ. Got me thinking I want one and found one of it's brothers, the 642, at Academy Sports. Now, I've got to convince myself it's worth the $479 price tag.
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My Sigma broke.
I have had a model SW9M for about 10 years. I rarely use it, but started to carry it since I recently got my CCW. I don't know how it compares to other Sigma models, but I am not very pleased with it. Luckily, it was a gift and I did not pay for it!
I was out shooting with my wife and kids last week. My wife wanted to try out my SW9M so I pulled it out and tried to "warm it up" for her by checking it and firing a few rounds through it.
The first problem cropped up when I loaded some military ammo I have and the SW9M wouldn't strike the primer hard enough to fire it. This ammo works fine in my Luger. I switched to commercial ammo and emptied a clip with no more difficulty.
I then handed it to my wife for her turn. On the third round the plastic on the back of the stock broke around the drift pin and the action nearly separated from the grip. Thank goodness I was watching my wife rather than looking down-range at the target. I stopped her immediately and made the gun safe. It was lucky neither of us was hurt.
This particular pistol has been sparingly used, probably no more than 1000 rounds ever fired through it. Over the past year it has been my carry gun because I like feel, the weight and that there's no external mag release or safety to get hung up on the draw. However, I've never cared for the stiff trigger pull and poor accuracy. (Maybe the latter was my fault...LOL!)
You can take what you will from this post, but I know I won't buy another one. I have feverishly researched this exact model since the breakage occurred and have found many first-hand complaints about it. Albeit, the research was done on the internet where anonymity is a shield people use to lie and exaggerate. However, my own experience is enough to make my decision!
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Since it is junk and was a gift, I'd be happy to take it off your hands. I can send you a $50 bill to cover your trouble for shipping it . . .
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Haha! You need parts for your broken SW9M?
I've tried to locate a replacement part, but it's serialized and probably would constitute buying a new gun. It appears this model was only made for a couple of years back in the late 90's.
If I can't get a voucher from S&W against a different model I may consider your offer.
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If you send it S&W and it can't be repaired they will probably send you a new one. A voucher toward an M&P would be nice though. I like my M&P but still love my 98 40v.
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03-19-2010, 08:33 PM
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I don't think there are any new ones. Didn't they discontinue the SW9M back in 98' after less that 2 years production? The S&W website doesn't even have any data on them.
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Here's a pic of the breakage just for fun. This is what it looked like immediately after my wife fired it.
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Sorry you has this problem.
That model isn't made anymore. I wonder if you sent it in to Smith for repairs, they might just send you a new 9VE.
Worth a try.
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I just fired off an email to S&W with the pic. Let's see what they have to say...(fingers crossed).
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Junk with a life time warranty,,, surprise surprise.
I'm so glad your wife was not hurt. I would be way pissed if that had happened in my hand. But in my wifes hand! Somebody would be in need of pain killers!!!! Somebody's worthless name is on a patent.
I hope you and S&W can come to a good terms on this.
I'm livid just looking at the pic. Best I stop here.
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03-20-2010, 02:32 AM
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Here's a pic of the breakage just for fun. This is what it looked like immediately after my wife fired it.
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is that the .380?
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I have never actually seen one of those. I thought that versions was only .380. Let me know how this turns out. I'm curious to see the outcome.
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It's a 9mm. I'll let you all know what happens with S&W.
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I hope you are pleasantly surprised.
Since you did not drop it on the slide-- or put it in a vice and hit the slide with a 6# hammer . . . I'd say clearly it is a case of a defect in the material or design (or some of each).
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I have a sigma 40 and absolutely love it. It is accurate as can be. I have about 1000 rounds through it and wouldn't trade it for the world. Infact this is my EDC.
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b1780, Welcome to the forum!
The sigma lovers are growing by leaps & bounds!
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Everyone has a different opinion about a lot of stuff but that doesn't make the other person wrong. I have had revolvers and autos. I tried the Sigma 40 and I didn't really care for it so I sold it and got something else.
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b1780, Welcome to the forum!
The number of sigma lovers are (is) growing by leaps & bounds!
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My doctor said I need to lose 10# and you have me growing by leaps & bounds . . .
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I have had a model SW9M for about 10 years. I rarely use it, but started to carry it since I recently got my CCW. I don't know how it compares to other Sigma models, but I am not very pleased with it. Luckily, it was a gift and I did not pay for it!
I was out shooting with my wife and kids last week. My wife wanted to try out my SW9M so I pulled it out and tried to "warm it up" for her by checking it and firing a few rounds through it.
The first problem cropped up when I loaded some military ammo I have and the SW9M wouldn't strike the primer hard enough to fire it. This ammo works fine in my Luger. I switched to commercial ammo and emptied a clip with no more difficulty.
I then handed it to my wife for her turn. On the third round the plastic on the back of the stock broke around the drift pin and the action nearly separated from the grip. Thank goodness I was watching my wife rather than looking down-range at the target. I stopped her immediately and made the gun safe. It was lucky neither of us was hurt.
This particular pistol has been sparingly used, probably no more than 1000 rounds ever fired through it. Over the past year it has been my carry gun because I like feel, the weight and that there's no external mag release or safety to get hung up on the draw. However, I've never cared for the stiff trigger pull and poor accuracy. (Maybe the latter was my fault...LOL!)
You can take what you will from this post, but I know I won't buy another one. I have feverishly researched this exact model since the breakage occurred and have found many first-hand complaints about it. Albeit, the research was done on the internet where anonymity is a shield people use to lie and exaggerate. However, my own experience is enough to make my decision!
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Smith and Wesson will fix the gun and probably not charge you for it. They will also send you a prepaid box to ship back to them.
I would try it.
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