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I would guess this has been discussed here before, so if there is a good thread please feel free to drop a link for me.

I have had the Sigma SW9VE for a few months now. I reload all my own ammo, and have for years and years. This is the only gun I have an issue with and it just wont eat anything I feed it. I have worked up at least a dozen different loads and I am still experiencing stove piping.

Or, if you have a proven load that you would like to share, please let me know. I load with SR4756 and W231.

Any and all help/suggestions would be greatly apprecaited.

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What does it do with 'store bought' ammo?
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Favorite load is 4.5 gr of W231 behind 115 gr FMJ or Berry's or Rainier plated at 1.10 OAL works for me. Have gone down to 4.2 gr of W231, and the brass kinda falls at my feet, but still no FTE's.
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Usual routine on a Sigma problem is:
1. Clean thoroughly and lightly lube per S&W manual. Too much lube, lube in the wrong place, or heavy grease will slow the slide.
2. Shoot with factory ammo, and check for full slide travel: put one round in the mag, and see if the slide locks back after the shot. If a clean gun won't shoot standard factory ammo, it needs to go back to S&W.
3. Shoot the same test with your reload. If the slide does not lock back after the shot, too wimpy a load.
4. Be sure you are not touching the slide with your hand when shooting, as this causes mysterious failures.
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I've only shot a handfull of factory ammo, so I dont really have much experience with it, seemed ok if I remember correctly
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Favorite load is 4.5 gr of W231 behind 115 gr FMJ or Berry's or Rainier plated at 1.10 OAL works for me. Have gone down to 4.2 gr of W231, and the brass kinda falls at my feet, but still no FTE's.
Marlin, I tried that load, I even worked up a batch with 4.9 grains of W231, no difference.
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Usual routine on a Sigma problem is:
1. Clean thoroughly and lightly lube per S&W manual. Too much lube, lube in the wrong place, or heavy grease will slow the slide.
2. Shoot with factory ammo, and check for full slide travel: put one round in the mag, and see if the slide locks back after the shot. If a clean gun won't shoot standard factory ammo, it needs to go back to S&W.
3. Shoot the same test with your reload. If the slide does not lock back after the shot, too wimpy a load.
4. Be sure you are not touching the slide with your hand when shooting, as this causes mysterious failures.
I clean all my guns very well, never over lube just a light wiping.

I am not very impressed with this gun at all what so ever. It's for sale in the for sale forum if anyone wants it......
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Call S&W customer service or repair center and they send you a call tag for shipping.
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I'm shooting 4.5 gr of Bullseye and 125 gr LRN with no problems at all. Eats everything I have put through it.
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No offense but it sounds like your reloads are the problem. I say go to a heavier bullet and see how it does.
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Check the extractor, Check the ejector to see if it's stripping your brass.

I've shot several thousand reloads of my own making through my 9VE with only one issue. The extractor broke. I will take the blame on that issue. I had put some major hot loads through it.

It has to be something very simple.
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Well, I tried calling S&W today, and the message said to to high call volume they recommend you call back another time, or you can leave a message. I left a message and got no return call.

I suppose it could be my loads but I load 9 different callibers for countless guns, and a number of different 9mm's and have been hand loading for almost 12 years, and I have absolutely no issues with any other gun or caliber but the Sigma. I can take these same loads and shoot them in 4 other guns, and I dont have an issue.

S&W is falling fast on my list......
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Well today went by also with no return phone call. I can't wait to sell this piece of junk and move on to something better. S&W has lost all my respect. I have more than a few of there fire arms, and most of them I have issues with. Bought a brand spankin new 15-22 and had nothing but with issues with it. 3 different types of ammo, and 4 different mags and nothing but issues, failure to fire, failure to feed, failure to eject....I will be selling all my S&W guns and not purchasing any more. There are way better fire arms and companys with much better customer service out there.

Junk, thats all I have to say.....JUNK
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So how much do you want for it? Private message me with a price, and we can discuss it.

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Well today went by also with no return phone call. I can't wait to sell this piece of junk and move on to something better. S&W has lost all my respect. I have more than a few of there fire arms, and most of them I have issues with. Bought a brand spankin new 15-22 and had nothing but with issues with it. 3 different types of ammo, and 4 different mags and nothing but issues, failure to fire, failure to feed, failure to eject....I will be selling all my S&W guns and not purchasing any more. There are way better fire arms and companys with much better customer service out there.

Junk, thats all I have to say.....JUNK
Just don't turn into a "Sigma Hater". Just kidding... Hopefully SW will call you on Monday. I would send it to 'em. It does have a life time warranty. But, if you want to sell it, you can PM with the price!
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So, just so everyone knows I called and left a second message with S&W and yet again absolutely zero response. I then sent them an email last week, again zero response. I sent them another email tonight explaining to them that I am thouroughly fed up with there company and I will be dumping all of my S&W firearms, which is way more than one, and will be replacing them with something of quality from a company that respects there customers.

I will never, ever own another piece of **** made by S&W, what a horrible disapointment they have been. I here people all over this board saying how great they are, and how well they were takin care of. Well I call BS on all that. I feel like I have been let down by an old family member. I have been buying and shooting S&W firearms for over 27 years, and it all comes to an end today. I will sell every last piece of **** S&W firearm I own and never return.

What a joke of a company!!
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You didn't mention if it was a new or used gun. If the gun is new, put 500 or so rounds of (any, quality) factory ammo through it to make sure it's broken in. Then try your reloads. I too am thinking about reloading this year, so take that into consideration when you read this next statement. If your Sigma shoots factory ammo (try a bunch more if you didn't already) correctly, without any problems, then the gun CANNOT be the problem. As the manual says to shoot only good factory ammo from a quality manufacturer, you should try that first before condemning the gun. If factory ammo works, you will have to look at YOUR rounds as the problem, and most people won't want to hear that. It doesn't matter if your loads work in any other gun, how could it?
As far as S&W service goes, they're one of the best out there. Try waiting the few minutes to talk to someone live. I call them all of the time for info and never had to wait more than 5 minutes, usually much less. I called a few weeks ago to tell them about a timing problem with my 13 yr old 686+, they sent me a call tag in about 3 days. I sent it out and exactly 2 weeks later I had my gun back in perfect condition. So I'm speaking/writing from very recent experience. It sounds like you might be a tad short on patience.

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Try calling first thing in the morning or call frank smith at LSG. He will get you taken care of. You can even email him and he usually responds within 24hours.
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Lots of shooters beat the 'loads' and 'ejector' issues to death when it comes to stovepiping.
Spring problems should be at the top of your list, particularly if the stovepiping occurs with only one pistol.
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The above comments probably are correct but another possibilty is operator error. I never have problems with steel semi autos but have had the problem you are reporting with my Glocks. It was occuring when I was shooting in matches where I had to shoot over the top of a barrier with a target semi buried in the ground . This caused me to break my wrist which resulted in a jam. I corrected this problem by making sure my hand was aligned with my arm when shooting over barriers. My grandson has been having a similar problem with a Glock. He has just started shooting in USPSA and IDPA matches and was having problems with ejected cases hitting him in the head instead of out to the side . He was breaking his wrist slightly when shooting. He was able to correct this by concentrating on keeping his wrist straight.
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I just called SW this morning and got a human with no wait.

I ended up choosing to send it to LSG. Sent them an email and Frank himself emailed me back giving me a FEDEX shipping label (no cost to me at all) and instructions on sending the gun to him.

He is going to do some trigger work on it and look at another issue.

I really cannot explain why you are having so much customer service problems. This is nothing like what I experienced today. I went into this today cringing, however I am coming out on the other side of this with a huge smile on my face.

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I just called SW this morning and got a human with no wait.

I ended up choosing to send it to LSG. Sent them an email and Frank himself emailed me back giving me a FEDEX shipping label (no cost to me at all) and instructions on sending the gun to him.

He is going to do some trigger work on it and look at another issue.

I really cannot explain why you are having so much customer service problems. This is nothing like what I experienced today. I went into this today cringing, however I am coming out on the other side of this with a huge smile on my face.

Cheers, hope it works out for you.
Like I said in an earlier post, I have several Smiths and call there 1 or 2 times a month asking questions about mods or new guns that I'm considering. I never have any problems getting through, 2-3 minutes usually. Sometimes a little quicker and sometimes a little longer. Same thing for Sig, though they tend to be on the longer side of 5 minutes. If you can't wait 5 minutes on the phone, you could be too high strung to handle firearms safely.
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You didn't mention if it was a new or used gun. If the gun is new, put 500 or so rounds of (any, quality) factory ammo through it to make sure it's broken in. Then try your reloads. I too am thinking about reloading this year, so take that into consideration when you read this next statement. If your Sigma shoots factory ammo (try a bunch more if you didn't already) correctly, without any problems, then the gun CANNOT be the problem. As the manual says to shoot only good factory ammo from a quality manufacturer, you should try that first before condemning the gun. If factory ammo works, you will have to look at YOUR rounds as the problem, and most people won't want to hear that. It doesn't matter if your loads work in any other gun, how could it?
As far as S&W service goes, they're one of the best out there. Try waiting the few minutes to talk to someone live. I call them all of the time for info and never had to wait more than 5 minutes, usually much less. I called a few weeks ago to tell them about a timing problem with my 13 yr old 686+, they sent me a call tag in about 3 days. I sent it out and exactly 2 weeks later I had my gun back in perfect condition. So I'm speaking/writing from very recent experience. It sounds like you might be a tad short on patience.

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Thanks for your comments and suggestions. The gun is used, and I have probably put 1000 rounds down the pipe. Factory and hand loads. So it seems like it would be broken in by now.

I understand that not all guns like reloads, that is not my issue here, as I have experienced other guns that dont like hand loads either. My issue is no return contact from S&W. The 2 times I called the message said something to the effect of "Do to higher than normal cll volumes it would be better to call back at a later time" They didn't give me the option of waiting to talk to an operator, it automaticaly flipped me to the answering machine.

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Try calling first thing in the morning or call frank smith at LSG. He will get you taken care of. You can even email him and he usually responds within 24hours.
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Thanks for the tips Don, yes I use this same ammo in other guns and no issues. Again, if it is my hand loads I completely understand, but return communications from S&W are required to get this end resolution

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This is all together very possible, but I am not sure I will have this firearm long enough to try much more with it

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I ended up choosing to send it to LSG. Sent them an email and Frank himself emailed me back giving me a FEDEX shipping label (no cost to me at all) and instructions on sending the gun to him.

He is going to do some trigger work on it and look at another issue.

I really cannot explain why you are having so much customer service problems. This is nothing like what I experienced today. I went into this today cringing, however I am coming out on the other side of this with a huge smile on my face.

Cheers, hope it works out for you.
Glad to hear your experience was better than mine, I hope they take care of you and fix you up!!

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Like I said in an earlier post, I have several Smiths and call there 1 or 2 times a month asking questions about mods or new guns that I'm considering. I never have any problems getting through, 2-3 minutes usually. Sometimes a little quicker and sometimes a little longer. Same thing for Sig, though they tend to be on the longer side of 5 minutes. If you can't wait 5 minutes on the phone, you could be too high strung to handle firearms safely.
like I mentioned earlier, I was not given the opportunity to wait, my call was automaticaly fliped to the answering machine.

Please do not judge people on firearm safety without knowing who they are or what they do. I have been shooting for more than 27 years and have taught more than my fair share of those very firearm safety courses over the years that you "think" I may be lacking in....

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Yes sir I do, I agree it can surely cause a problem if you are not crimping properly.

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Thanks for the tips Don, yes I use this same ammo in other guns and no issues. Again, if it is my hand loads I completely understand, but return communications from S&W are required to get this end resolution



This is all together very possible, but I am not sure I will have this firearm long enough to try much more with it

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Glad to hear your experience was better than mine, I hope they take care of you and fix you up!!

Good luck



like I mentioned earlier, I was not given the opportunity to wait, my call was automaticaly fliped to the answering machine.

Please do not judge people on firearm safety without knowing who they are or what they do. I have been shooting for more than 27 years and have taught more than my fair share of those very firearm safety courses over the years that you "think" I may be lacking in....



Yes sir I do, I agree it can surely cause a problem if you are not crimping properly.

Thanks for the thoughts!
Sorry for the rude comments. I was having "one of those days". Not that that is any excuse. Good luck with your gun.

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Sorry for the rude comments. I was having "one of those days". Not that that is any excuse. Good luck with your gun.

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No worries, we all have those days, mine was yesterday, when I wrote my reply. I do appreciate your help and comments.
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