Why don't they just call it the S&W Glock!! Have you seen this thing? It's Glocks fraternal twin!!
Why do all the gun makers copy the Glock instead of investing into a new/different design? -I know, $$...
S&W's third gen were the best...

Looks like a Glock, feels like a Sigma. More tupperware for the masses.

I agree, the 3rd generation were the best. Regards 18DAI.

Internal workings are nothing like a glock. The sear group is a completely new design. As far as looking like a glock when you put the 2 next to each other they are quite different and in my opinion ths SD's are much better looking. The only sigma feel it has is the grip frame angle the rest is much nicer.

kokopelli, Other than the takedown lever It's nothing like a Glock. The Walther P99 shares the takedown lever or the Glock too. Does that make it a Glock copy? Just because it has a polymer frame doesn't mean it's a Glock copy. BTW, the Glock wasn't revolutionary either. It borrowed heavily from other designs and it wasn't even the first polymer pistol either. That's like saying that Glock is an HK VP70 copy because of the polymer frame. Or that Glock is a SIG copy because it uses the same the SIG style Modified Browning lockup.

Does the SD solve the trigger problems in the Sigma? I am looking to buy one gun (for now). Not sure if it should be a 9mm or 40. Suggestions?

Do you have other 9mm or .40 S&W caliber pistols? You could buy the one that uses the same caliber ammo...or you could buy one of each, for diversity.

I have pistols in .45 ACP and 9mm...so I bought the SD9.

I do not have any pistols yet, still deciding on which model and cal to buy. The Sigma price is great. The sd's seem not much higher. Of course, the M&Ps reputation seems great. But way up there in price

IMO, you can't go wrong with either the M&P or the SD models. The Sigma does have a "harder" trigger, although it is akin to a typical DA revolver, or at least mine was. (I no longer own a Sigma.)

The 9mm is a little "easier" to shoot, in terms of recoil and expense...although there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference in price from what I've seen lately.

Right now, if you buy a M&P you can get a $50 rebate or two free magazines...so that might help the price issue. I've seen them here locally for around $450 with standard sights.

Great advice thanks. What are your thoughts on the on the "optional" thumb safety on the M&P. I like the thought of having the added safety

Personally, I don't like the thumb safety...now, having said that, I do have 1911s and of course they have thumb safeties, but you can carry them cocked and locked, so that is an advantage in those style pistols. In the M&P, and other similar pistols, you can't...so to me, and again this is just my opinion, the thumb safety is something to "forget" in a high stress situation, especially if you don't have other pistols (like 1911s) and you aren't used to taking off the safety before firing. Keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to fire, and it won't fire...carry it in a case or holster that protects the trigger, and you won't have an accidental discharge.

You might check around at some ranges that rent guns, and see if you can fire the M&P...they might not have SDs for rent, since they are newly released, but maybe you could try the M&P in 9mm and .40 to see which one you like. Or if they don't have M&Ps, try some other similar pistols in 9mm and .40 to get a feel for the caliber, if not the pistol. You can also read a lot of threads here on ballistics of either caliber, and get lots of opinions, pro and con, of either. The main thing is, get the one you shoot the best...shot placement is usually more critical than caliber, when considering calibers of relatively close ballistics.

The consensus among serious handgun users is that the shooter should be trained for the gun platform that he is going to use. Thus a 1911 shooter needs to learn to use the thumb safety, and to carry the pistol "locked and cocked" as it was designed.

The M&P cannot be carried cocked and locked, and there are 3 safeties on the gun already. The M&P will not fire unless the trigger is pulled---like a revolver. The add-on thumb safety is available purely to satisfy political requirements imposed on police, and has nothing to do with actual firearm safety.

It is much like requiring an extra safety on a revolver to prevent pulling the trigger, which relates to import restrictions now.

IMHO, the thumb safety on an M&P is a mechanical device that attempts to compensate for poor training. The only way to eliminate the need for proper training is to totally disable the gun so it can never be fired....which is absurd on its face, isn't it?

So, getting back to the SD9 & SD40...I finally saw one of each locally (Gander Mountain, so way overpriced) and got to handle the SD9. I really like the way it feels, and it seems to be a tad smaller than an M&P, but that could just have been an optical illusion. Trigger wasn't bad, but not nearly as nice as my M&Ps. Since I have an M&P 9 and an M&P 40, I don't know what niche an SD would fill in my personal battery, but they are tempting...and I think they are better looking than even the M&P...

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Just got an SD40.Great gun i'm glad i bought it.

I've got a Sigma 40, M&P40c, then bought a SD40 and on accident, wink wink, bought a SD9. They all have a place

SD9- didn't have to, but I did. wink wink...shooting it for the first time tomorrow.
-the deadliest weapon in the world is a marine and his rifle.

Took the wife shooting today. Her first time with the SD9 and she kept them all on paper.

Well I just wrote a page of my impressions of the SD9 but it didn't take it because I wasn't logged in. :/

Short version: Really great for righties with small hands. I have stubby thumbs and usually can't operate a slide release comfortably. The slide release on this thing is a mile long and the grip is thin and comfortable. I think S&W will sell a lot of these. It's a sweet spot no one is trying for.

I shot my SD9 for the first time sunday and it was nice...I was accurate and had no jams on 250rounds. It feels real comfortable and I can't wait to shoot it again..not a bad gun at all.

Hey everyone new to the forum!! Bought me the sd40 2 days ago shot 50 rounds through it flawless, trigger is much better then the sigma, slide is smooth, magazine does rattle a bit but other then that very happy, I just hope I don't have to run with the gun on my side, somebody might think I'm packing a can of spray paint from the rattle lol anyways great gun, can't wait to get to the range this weekend!!!

I'm trying to decide between the SD9 and the Ruger SR9. The most important thing to me, even more so than the trigger (the need for reliability is a foregone conclusion), is that the gun fit my hand and that I like the grip angle . I have fairly small hands; the Pachmayer Compac is the perfect size on my 65 if that helps to explain. I've tried the SR9 and feel it fit my hand quite well, but I only handled it for a minute. I have never seen the SD9 in person. Can anyone comment on it's grip size, trigger reach, and grip angle? Especially as it compares to the Ruger SR9? Also, I'd be very appreciative of a picture of an SD9 or SD40 next to something of a known size, like a 1911.
Thanks for your help,
The Continental Op

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I forgot two ask two things:
Would I be right in thinking the SD9 is mechanically identical to the Sigmas or is that an over simplification?
Would an SD9 fit a holster for a Sigma or a Glock, or are we going to have to wait a while for the holster makers to catch up?
Thanks,
The Continental Op

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SD9 and 40 fit Sigma or M&P holster. Mechanically the slide is set up similar but not the same. Frame is very similar but the fire control group is completely different.

Bought an SD40 2 weeks ago. It shoots fine and the trigger is about right for a carry gun. But I did notice that the barrel and frame do not line up when viewed from the front. The frame almost rubs the barrel on the right side it is so far off. I don't know what the problem is but I sent it back to S&W yesterday. Hope they can fix or replace it. It is otherwise an excellent pistol. Much more fun to shoot than my 5906.

That's strange. Mine lines up perfectly. I love my SD40!!

The SD series is a new trigger design. It is not mechanically identical to the Sigma at all. It has fewer parts and is a far simpler design than the Sigma series.

That's great. Then perhaps they will replace mine. I did notice on the S&W site the 360 degree views show the barrel out of line with the frame when viewed from the front so perhaps it was just a bad batch of frames. I would recommend anyone checking this before you purchase one.

Hey guys, I'm looking into getting an sd9 today, or tomorrow. But forgive my "noobness"....but can someone explain the trigger, and safety features? would be greatyly appreciated. never handled a gun with those features, used to the p95 and taurus revolvers. Thanks in advance

Soemone asked about SR9 vs SD9- I have the SR9c, and the SD9, and I gotta say, I love em both. I carry the 9c, with the thumb safety, and keep the SD by the bed, with the Micro90 light on it. The trigger is probabaly a tad smoother on the SD, but a tad shorter in the 9c. But both are reliable, and easy to shoot, and accurate.
The SD actually has quite afew improvements over the Sigma, thus the extra hundred or so bucks. And I understand the M&P has a few improvements over the SD, thus the OTHER hundred bucks. I would buy the Ruger or SD again without hesitation.

I like my SD40 just fine.I have had Glocks they shoot fine but how can you pass up the lifetime warranty on the SD? I would never part with my SD.

I have the SD9 and its my carry gun. I also have a Glock 17 9mm and Glock 21 .45 ACP. I don't carry my Glocks for CCW only because of their size. The SD9 for the money is a winner. The trigger is perfect for CC. The only thing that ticks me off about buying a Glock is you wind up spending an extra hundred bucks replacing those cheap ****** plastic stock sights that come with it, for that I say to Glock....BS! oh BTW Glock holsters will not work for the SD9 (bummer). The SD9 in my opinion is great buy and much better than the Sigma. If you want to do a comparison to S&W's plastic line it would go as follows...Sigma(Chevette)...SD9/40(Impala)....M&P(Buick) They are kinda the same but different.

The SD is a great pistol,in its own way.Just as the Sigma is a great pistol,in its own way.The M&P is by far the better of the 2.I would only buy the SD if it were used and at a good price ($325 or less). There are many more guns out there,IMO,that are better to buy then the SD,if I were buying new.

Glock will always be my #1 pic if you want to go that route Rugernut.

I have nothing against Glock....well,except for the fact that most Glock owners think that it is the holy grail of guns.Who knows,I might have to lower my standards one day and buy one.

I had the same view as you at one time. I hated plastic guns, was a 1911 guy for years. Then (not by choice) I trained all day with one and the following week owned one...I was hooked! and never looked back.

Seriously,I have nothing against Glock pistols.I do have something against the owners that think it is the holy grail of pistols.They are very narrow minded and only see the Glock as the one and only pistol,above and beyond everything else.

Some might find this disturbing,but I find it funny;the Glock owners I have described,I picture them all in a circle with their Glocks piled in the center of the circle,and them masturbating at their Glocks!

OH wait hold on brother way too much info! I'm not that devoted to Glock! I also shoot my Sigs and 1911's alot. Its not that good just to swear by one platform.

LMAO! Thanx for the laugh so early in the morning.

My turn.
Rugernut is absolutely right. Glock makes an ok gun. it is not, by far, a great gun. lets go into what makes a great gun, boys and girls.

1) It has to be reliable under any situation. this is the foremost most important thing, right?

2) Performance. you want to be able to put one where it counts. right?

3) Weight. This is an issue with some people. Mostly those that carry concealed because the don't want anyone to see their little pee-wee gun.

4)Ease to operate. Important but its not really on the top of the list.

5) Comfort. If you do not like to hold a gun, you do not like to fire the gun.

6) Lets not forget about number one. all the other stuff is just cake. Pay attention Glock owners, take of your, "Mr. I'm cool sunglasses because my gun was mentioned in U.S. Marshall’s, the movie", this is important.
Also, you Sigma owners pay attention too. this for sure applies to you. And every other gun owner out there.

FACT! Plastic guns were never made to be as expensive as real guns. they were supposed to be inexpensive to make and there fore if they got destroyed then no big loss. For all you Glock owners out there pay real good attention to this next part. The Government gets these guns, not only at the price they were supposed to go for, but they get a little extra because they buy a lot of them for our troops and the police forces. They get the gun for around $100 -$200. The government dos not give the troops, sad to say, to what they believe to be the best gun out there because they don't want to fork out the cash. They would rather spend the money on something important like plastic pens that say "The White House" to give away to tourists or to an illegal alien that did not come to America to work hard and provide a better life for them selves and there family, but to get on welfare and Medicare while their children deal drugs and kill Americans that work there buts off all day to get something to eat and to have someone nice things to look at when they get home. That’s what your government cares about. not if you have a reliable weapon in the field, so get over it. If you say you have an M&P grade weapon, well find out what that means, see above. Its the cheapest, biggest pile of c**p they can get away with. I want nothing to do with M&P anything. in fact they only name it that because they know that people will buy into it because it sound cool.

FACT! Cast, reloads are the by far they hardest ammo you can put through a gun. They will eat the barrel up. Lets not forget about #1, under any situation. If you load and fire enough of these rounds (pay attention here Glock owners, this REALLY applies to you) they will leave enough lead in the barrel so soon enough your gun will explode in your hand because the bullet will not be able to pass through your barrel.
Also, as most other gun owners I know, we like to have +p, +p+, and MAGNUM rounds at hand (pay close attention here Glock owners) because they will do the most damage to an intruder threatening our lives or the lives of our loved ones and they are just more fun to shoot, they go, BOOM!!! . If you load enough of these rounds into a Glock they will crack your barrel and the only thing that goes BOOM is your entire gun and your hand will go with it. Still lets not for get about number 1. ALL modern guns with modern cartridges (pay attention Glock owners) will fire under water (I have said this in previous posts) in fact you don’t even need a gun to set off a modern cartridge under water, just a hammer will due. I saw this on that T.V. show Myth Busters. That is one of Glock's selling points. WOW! they knew that some people would buy into that one. Brilliant marketing there, Glock. For real now if you were in an under water situation would you be thinking about using you gun to shoot someone when you are using all of your air to fight or would you be more concerned with trying to get another breath. Anyway your K-Bar is a more practical under water weapon.

Number 2, performance: Glock owners see above. if your gun does not work under any circumstance this is the least of your worries and you should not be concerned with this. Trigger pull should be a concern of yours. I am sure that everyone has shat and loved to shoot revolvers, they have the most kick to any other similar semi-auto, they are more accurate than semi's and ease of operation is easier, load chamber, close, fire. Best thing out there AND they fire under water if that is really a concern. Glocks are accurate as long as the user is to, as all guns are unless they have a bent barrel.

Number 3, weight. I would rather carry a Colt .44 Magnum on my hip, in plain view. That is a deterrent. If i pulled that out on its holster at anyone with the intent of doing me harm they would stop dead in their tracks and pray i was a forgiving soul. If i fired the gun it would blow a hole the size of TX in there butt and knock'm 5 feet back. That’s just me. If i were to conceal I would want a pistol that was light, could fire +p rounds with out exploding in my hand, and would not fire if my finger was rested on the trigger.

I went over number 4 already, see above.

Number 5, comfort. (this has to do with you Glock owners)
I want a gun that is comfortable in my hand from the first time i held it at the gun store. I do not want a gun that i have to get used to, its amazing what a person can get used to. - You special forces guys know what i am talking about, go have a beer and call it a day, thank you for protecting my freedom, my countrymen's freedom, my son (army sniper) and the greatest county on the planet no matter who tries to destroy it.- - Sorry about #1's explanation, but its the truth -. A Glock, i have fired many of them and have plenty of room to talk here, feels like i am holding a plastic brick and i have to constantly try to re adjust my hand when i am firing the gun because of its hard corners.

I personally do not care about what other people say about how great a gun is or how cool someone says it looks. I have some of the cheapest guns on earth and some of the higher end guns as well.
I have the great Colt 1911 .45. This is a GREAT S/A gun and is hands down one of the finest semi autos out there. I wish it came with a 17 rd mag.
I have a Ruger GP100 .357 4". Great gun, i can circumcise a knat at 50 yrds with it EVERY time i shoot it and i can fire .38 spec with it too.
I have a Hi-point C9 8 round mag. great gun for the price. I have large hands so it got some getting used to but i couldn't resist for $100.
I have a LLama .45 cal, 1983, as my last ditch effort to get to a real gun, gun. I keep it in my living room for when i am watching TV with my girl and my & my dog. He's a Rot, German shep mix. If he hears gun fire he know to attack and keep mommy and daddy safe at all costs.
I have a Sigma .40ve as most of you would have guessed already. I bought the gun because i heard Glock owners talk about it and what a *** it was. I have fired over 18,000 rounds out of it and is the only gun i am on a mission to fund out if or when i can make it FTF or FT feed, so far i have had no problems with it and have fired thousands of cast, +p, +p+,. and the crappiest reloads i can find out of it. I think i will buy another just because i have never had a problem with the gun.
I have hunting rifles, Savage 30-06, 243, 7mm.
I have a berretta 9mm, great gun and I think it looks cool too.
A Mossberg 12ga and a WWII German/Russian Vector 16ga. side by side.

None of my guns have ever let me down in an emergency or just at the range. Every Glock I have ever fired had stove piped on me of the 4th or 5th round. I think they a pile of my dogs business and that was before i saw one explode at the range and take off a cops hand all together. Now i thing they would just discontinue the *** and all you Glock owners
would get you head out of you butts and stop believing all the stuff you here in movies and what Billy Bob and BaBa down the street tell you. So go ahead and get you butt down to the range and put 5,000 round of +p cast bullets down that barrel and see if you have the same opinion about you beloved Glock when you are no longer able to hold your beloved *0ck.

WOW! That's telling it like it is Vector!
As I have posted before,I have nothing against Glocks,just the owners that are narrow minded. One day,maybe,i'll own a Glock.One of my gun shooting buddies has a G22 waiting on me whenever I want it.

TangoFoxtrot,did you become a LEO within the last few days? You never had a badge on your screen name toolbar before.If so,congradulations! Even if you've been a LEO,congradulations! I have 5 friends that are my gun range buddies and 2 of them are LEO and 1 is a retired LEO.

See, that's the problem right there. They all are like that, just because they make a bad decision they want everyone else to make the same bad decision too, even if they have to give the gun away for free. What you should do is take the gun, put all sigma parts on it, and that way you can look cool and know that all of the glock owners will think your cool to. You'll be the only one that knows it's an undercover Sigma. You may even let some of the other Glock owners shoot it. They will all be impressed and ask you how you got your glock 22 to perform so well. You can say that you'll do the same job to theirs for $300 and make some cash while your at it. Maybe charge a little more if you want to go ahead and blue the sigma slide. That would be hilarious!!!

I just bought the SD40 as well...love it, but ammo for the 9 is much less expensive. So, I'm thinking of trading the former for the latter.

I personally don't find the grip angle of a Glock pistol ideal. I understand the manufacturer states it is a recoil minimizing feature but I personally find uncomfortable. I have an SD 40 and really like the pistol and its ergonomics. I did a trigger mod on mine though to reduce pressure. It is a great fun for the money. I agree with a prior post that any polymer gun may be inferior to a fully milled system. If you are looking at a great weapon system and have the budget look at a Sig Sauer. I love my 229 and it will chamber 9mm 40SW and 357 Sig. I think you can feel difference between the Sig and a Glock or Springfield the second you hold the weapon. Kind of like driving a Ford then a BMW.

The 40SW will have better stopping power than a 9mm but it's marginal. The cost of ammo should also be considered.

I love my SD9VE. 600 rounds and not one single issue and those are cheap as dirt rounds too. Got mine for 329 almost 2 years ago.

5 year old thread brought back to life, I'll bite. After 25 years of having to carry a Glock 23, I'm now retired and carrying an sd40ve by choice. Very happy and the S&W is the better gun.

I also carry my SD40VE daily. Just an all around, good and reliable pistol.

L8R,
Matt

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Just added the rubberized Talon Grips, now much easier to control with rapid fire:-)