Sigma out shot by Highpoint C9!

[diego-ted]

I hate to say it but on this day it was true for both my wife and kid. I had posted before about my sigma SVE9 shooting low and to the left. My wife and kid went out shooting with me, they are both novice and have shot very little. They were shooting good groups with both but the Hipoint was dead on and the Sigma was low and left!! How do I get the sights on the Sigma adjusted?

thx Diego

[Pisgah]

No insult intended, but how much experience do any of you have shooting a DA-only design like the Sigma? Many, many people will shoot low-left when they first shoot such a gun, and it usually is not the sights; rather, it is improper placement of the trigger finger combined perhaps with a failure to stay focused on the front sight and hold a clean follow-through. In other words, just a bit of an anticipatory flinch, not even noticieable.

This is very good practice for any DA fire with pistol or revolver. Try dryfiring as a diagnostic tool. Aim at a spot on the wall (EMPTY GUN!!!). Pay strict attention to the front sight and "fire" a round. DO NOT LET YOUR FOCUS MOVE FROM THE FRONT SIGHT -- and I will bet you a dollar that the sight does down-left. Adjust your grip and finger placement on the trigger, and continue until this movement disappears. Next time you live-fire, relax, let muscle memory take over, and fire away.

Now, this may not be your problem at all, but I have "cured" the same "problem" with about 10 folks so far, with 'nary a sight being moved or changed out.

[writerinmo]

You can adjust the rear sight as far as left/right, but up/down can be a problem. Since everyone is shooting left/low, I would suggest moving the rear sight to the right a tad and bring it in line, but as far as the front sight I believe the only way to get it adjusted is by sending it in to S&W. Mine shoots low at 25 yards, but at the moment I am missing my front sight so haven't shot it since it fell off... I am waiting for a Glock HiViz front sight to get here, since it is a little shorter than the stock Sigma sight I am hoping it will fix my problem.

[diego-ted]

Originally Posted by Pisgah

No insult intended, but how much experience do any of you have shooting a DA-only design like the Sigma? Many, many people will shoot low-left when they first shoot such a gun, and it usually is not the sights; rather, it is improper placement of the trigger finger combined perhaps with a failure to stay focused on the front sight and hold a clean follow-through. In other words, just a bit of an anticipatory flinch, not even noticieable.

This is very good practice for any DA fire with pistol or revolver. Try dryfiring as a diagnostic tool. Aim at a spot on the wall (EMPTY GUN!!!). Pay strict attention to the front sight and "fire" a round. DO NOT LET YOUR FOCUS MOVE FROM THE FRONT SIGHT -- and I will bet you a dollar that the sight does down-left. Adjust your grip and finger placement on the trigger, and continue until this movement disappears. Next time you live-fire, relax, let muscle memory take over, and fire away.

Now, this may not be your problem at all, but I have "cured" the same "problem" with about 10 folks so far, with 'nary a sight being moved or changed out.

I have shot maybe 200 rounds with the gun, my kid maybe 100 and my wife 50. Even when on a rest it is still a little low and left. When I first got the gun, I made a post here and was told that is pretty common.

Diego

[laytonj1]

What weight bullets are you using? Fixed sight guns are regulated for a given weight/velocity bullet. If your using 115's you could raise the point of impact (POI) by going to a 124. Using lower velocity ammo of the same weight will also raise the POI.

Jim

[Out West]

Low left usually means jerking the trigger. Snatching. More time on the trigger and your POI may change. Dry fire practice can eliminate a lot of that jerking. It can also smooth out the trigger.

Out West

[diego-ted]

Originally Posted by Out West

Low left usually means jerking the trigger. Snatching. More time on the trigger and your POI may change. Dry fire practice can eliminate a lot of that jerking. It can also smooth out the trigger.

Out West

Oh I love the gun and wil continue to practice. When I say low and left I am talking about 2" @ 10 yards.

Diego

[leejack]

Ted, are you saying 2 inches at ten yards?

Please take this in a positive way: That's common for new sigma shooters. It may just take more practice.

Keep us posted.

Lee

[Jswiney9]

Originally Posted by leejack

Ted, are you saying 2 inches at ten yards?

Please take this in a positive way: That's common for new sigma shooters. It may just take more practice.

Keep us posted.

Lee

so that is common off a rest as well?

[leejack]

I didn't say anything about a rest.

[TBJK]

I would agree that you just need more practice..I too did the same thing..If I would rapid fire I hit strait on. You will get it

[Deltaboy]

The Sigma needs lots of shooting to master it with their DAO Trigger!

[cbr6864]

strange the hipoints are DAO as well but they do have a fixed barrel plus the are pretty heavy

[JAGGUY]

Actually, HiPoints are single action only.

[cbr6864]

Originally Posted by JAGGUY

Actually, HiPoints are single action only.

i stand corrected you are right all the hipoint trigger does is drop the sear

[nhjeffs]

Single action trigger, fixed barrel, and an anchor for a slide. They don't shoot bad but mine hasn't seen the light of day but for a couple of times since I bought the Sigma.

[JSR III]

I have a question regarding the low left condition. Would changing hands affect trigger finger placement of this condition? In other words, if I were shooting low left with my right hand, would I still shoot low left with my left hand?

If the answer is NO, then might this be a way of determining gun versus shooter error? Just curious.

[blastfact]

I hate to say it. But low left is common as can be with a new Sigma shooter. For me,, I was rolling the pistol over anticipating the break. Even off rest it was happening. Once I got control of that issue my shooting got better over all no matter what I had in my hand.

HP's will shoot. There clunky and have a ****** trigger in there own right. I have a C9 right now locked up that a buddy wants me to stipple around on, clean up and look into at least polishing around on the trigger and make mag drops cleaner.

But after going through all the growing pains concerning the Sigma. I was at the range yesterday hitting 8" targets at 100 yard 50% of the time with my Sigma, M&P .45, 686+ w/.357's. And 80% hits with my CZ-52. All free hand in a aggressive Weaver. It was a lot of fun to be able to out shoot scoped rifles as there owners were complaining about there cheap optics.

[ET.]

I own an older C9 and a 40ve Sigma. There is no way that my c9 will out shoot the Sigma. I did have the same low & left problem when I first started shooting my Sigma, but after tons of practice I figured out the trigger pull. Now I am dead on with it. I also shoot all of my guns better because of the sigma practice. My C9 is a reliable gun, but I'd go to war with the Sigma over the C9 any day of the week, except Wednesday maybe.

[Dragon88]

Sigma out shot by Highpoint C9!

That's like saying a Chevy Aveo outran a Corolla on the racetrack. Not really that exciting either way.

[writerinmo]

I spent Saturday mornin chainsawing up oak, hickory and maple, and Saturday afternoon shootin my SW40VE, my C9 Comp and the Armscor M1600 that the wife picked up for me and had a blast... hell, I don't care what name's on them, if they go bang and work good and hit what I point them at, I could care less who made them. Just good fun.

And just put my two ex-wives in them cars and turn them loose, toss a dollar bill at the finish line and whoo boy!

[CajunBass]

I probably shoot my Hi-Point C-9 better than I do my Sigma too, but I've never shot them head to head to see. The Hi-Point is a good shooting gun.

[writerinmo]

I may do that when I have as many rounds through my Sigma as I do through the C9... of course it's the compensated model, is that cheating since I have 1/2'' more barrel? lol...