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Old 04-11-2011, 02:51 PM
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Hello everyone once again, I'm trying to buy some hollow point 9mm for my sigma but there's so many different type of ammunition out there. Anyone have any suggestions on which works good with my sigma?
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Old 04-11-2011, 03:20 PM
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I've used Speer Gold Dots, and recently Hornady TAP, neither had any issue's. From all of the research I've done, I haven't come across any ammo that the Sigma doesn't like.
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Old 04-11-2011, 04:13 PM
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I've used Speer Gold Dots, and recently Hornady TAP, neither had any issue's. From all of the research I've done, I haven't come across any ammo that the Sigma doesn't like.

I can confirm speer gold dot is great... Sigma loves it...
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Old 04-12-2011, 07:29 AM
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Any high quality brand will do the trick.

Just make sure you run some through the gun to ensure 100% reliability.

Currently, I have Remington Golden Sabers.
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I can confirm speer gold dot is great... Sigma loves it...
+1 for 180gr Speer Gold Dot
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Check the ballistics out on this ammo. No feeding problems for mine or the wifes.

Double Tap Ammo. Ballistics are impressive to say the least. Speed of a 40 S&W with the wallop of a 45 ACP.


9mm+P 115gr JHP 50rds. $36.95
These loads are low flash. They are a great option for personal defense.

Caliber : 9mm+P

Bullet : Remington JHP

Ballistics : 115gr @ 1415fps / 511ft. lbs. from a G17.
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Anyone have an SD40, Which hollow point do you prefer for home defense and what grain weight??
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Speer GD 124g +P for 9mm
Speer GD 155g for .40

I have had no problems with either. They are both noticibly hotter than standard FMJ ammo.
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If you're cheap like me the Winchester white box stuff seems to perform great and you get to shoot alot more for the same price. I've tried the 147 HP and had no issues with them.
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Anyone have an SD40, Which hollow point do you prefer for home defense and what grain weight??
My SD40 likes Fiochhi Extrema (Hornady XTP bullet) 155 grain HP as well as the Winchester Ranger LE 135 grain HP.

Cabela's has both of these rounds on sale sporadically. I got the Ranger for $15.99 and the Fiochhi for $19.99. No problems yet shooting them.
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Old 05-03-2011, 06:23 PM
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For the 9mm, I use the Wincheswter 127 grain +P+ (when I can get it) or the Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P when I can't. In the 40 S&W I like the Speer 155 grain Gold dot, although if I'm not out in the woods, I use a 135 grain Cor-Bon Powerball, or regular 135 grain without the powerball.
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As with another poster, the Winwhite 9mm 147grJHP works well, most accurate of what i've tried so far, including a few known good handloads, and shoots to the sights on this particular gun.

Experts including the FBI have a dim view of the heavier/slower bullets, but truly hard to argue with a round which totally outclasses normally highly recommended +P .38Spl loads, as these 147gr bullets are almost 1000fps, and have thin scored jacket up front, soft lead and thin-walled deep HP cavity...the single biggest gripe with them would be for those of you who live in areas where overpenetration is an issue....I live south of Hooterville where hog, coyote, bobcat, occasional panther/big cat and black bear still amble through, and LIKE penetration.
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Just by way of update, my Sigma most certainly chokes on the 115grJHP WinWhite....the bullets don't even begin to feed, as if they hit a brick wall and the slide stops solid, can easily drop mag with jammed round still inside feed lips, extractor nowhere close to being engaged...a few successful rounds leaves a small round blob of lead low and centered in the ramp....for THIS gun it is a bullet design problem, as the HP edge is trying to bite into the ramp, needs a bit more rounding to ogive or more length....zero other problems with any other ammo including the above cited 147grJHP from same....other guns might like this stuff just as well, but not THIS one for sure.....

I'll have to admit a bit of unease about all the recommendations about $20/20rds ammo....you can buy everytghing you need to load ammo (minus components) for $50 if you can settle for 1bx/hr, and even the boutique bullets can be loaded for not NEAR what these half boxes are going for....just adding this as the more of that stuff that gets bought, the more likely it becomes it will be all that is available....ammo companies and stock holders know a good profit margin when they see one.

As for +p or +p+, actual gains are pretty marginal for all the extra pressure and beating the gun takes, and last i heard, there was no SAAMI spec for +p+, so makers are winging it with YOUR gun.

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Old 05-10-2011, 01:46 AM
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These threads are always a little pointless, as most of the answers you'll get will just be parroting whatever gun magazine article, discredited book, or forum post the poster read that convinced them to purchase that particular ammo.

Most of the popular loads from the major manufacturers will do just fine. Avoid esoteric loads not used by law enforcement, despite what famous gun writers with garage fulls of free cases of it might say.
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:51 AM
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Just by way of update, my Sigma most certainly chokes on the 115grJHP WinWhite....the bullets don't even begin to feed, as if they hit a brick wall and the slide stops solid, can easily drop mag with jammed round still inside feed lips, extractor nowhere close to being engaged...a few successful rounds leaves a small round blob of lead low and centered in the ramp....for THIS gun it is a bullet design problem, as the HP edge is trying to bite into the ramp, needs a bit more rounding to ogive or more length....zero other problems with any other ammo including the above cited 147grJHP from same....other guns might like this stuff just as well, but not THIS one for sure......
If your gun doesn't feed a common, major manufacturer's round, perhaps looking at your gun might be in order.
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I'll have to admit a bit of unease about all the recommendations about $20/20rds ammo....you can buy everytghing you need to load ammo (minus components) for $50 if you can settle for 1bx/hr, and even the boutique bullets can be loaded for not NEAR what these half boxes are going for....just adding this as the more of that stuff that gets bought, the more likely it becomes it will be all that is available....ammo companies and stock holders know a good profit margin when they see one.
It is generally not reccomended to reload your own self defense ammo, if thats what the OP's use would be. Many self defense experts point out the legal consequences doing so could have.
These books really opened my eyes when I read them: The Concealed Handgun Manual - by Chris Bird; and Armed Response - by David Kenik

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last i heard, there was no SAAMI spec for +p+, so makers are winging it with YOUR gun.
exactly why I would not use +P+.

I don't have any issues with using +P however, in limited amount. Practice with the cheap stuff, and throw the hot stuff through every now and then to make sure you can still hit what you need to!
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It is generally not reccomended to reload your own self defense ammo, if thats what the OP's use would be. Many self defense experts point out the legal consequences doing so could have.
These books really opened my eyes when I read them: The Concealed Handgun Manual - by Chris Bird; and Armed Response - by David Kenik
this might come as a suprise to urbanites including "expert authors", but handloads are not looked at AT ALL in most areas of the country, the only legality at issue whether the shooting was justified or not....now, if you live in a major urban metro area where folk sue you for not having your own land barricaded to prevent drunk trespassers from falling off a cliff on your land, then maybe you should worry....but these issues are a non-issue in huge areas of the country, the majority area-wise....think blue state vs red state on maps....where i live, handload liability is a joke, and we generally know where authors of such stuff live as soon as they start wailing.

As for my gun being defective, it is defective to the point it refuses to feed exactly one cheap brand of ammo...if it does this with others, i will have S&W replace the barrel as it would be a feedramp issue, but not feeding one box of one lot of cheapest ammo does not make a defective gun...cheapest ammo is cheapest for a reason...more variation in components/bullets/brass/casemouth burrs, assembly/seating depth, and less QC oversight

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this might come as a suprise to urbanites including "expert authors", but handloads are not looked at AT ALL in most areas of the country, the only legality at issue whether the shooting was justified or not....now, if you live in a major urban metro area where folk sue you for not having your own land barricaded to prevent drunk trespassers from falling off a cliff on your land, then maybe you should worry....but these issues are a non-issue in huge areas of the country, the majority area-wise....think blue state vs red state on maps....where i live, handload liability is a joke, and we generally know where authors of such stuff live as soon as they start wailing.
I guess thats your opinion... Obviously not everybody agrees on the handload for SD issue, apparently you fall on the opposite side as I. I'd rather put my trust in opinions of such men as Ayoob.
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this might come as a suprise to urbanites including "expert authors", but handloads are not looked at AT ALL in most areas of the country, the only legality at issue whether the shooting was justified or not....now, if you live in a major urban metro area where folk sue you for not having your own land barricaded to prevent drunk trespassers from falling off a cliff on your land, then maybe you should worry....but these issues are a non-issue in huge areas of the country, the majority area-wise....think blue state vs red state on maps....where i live, handload liability is a joke, and we generally know where authors of such stuff live as soon as they start wailing.

As for my gun being defective, it is defective to the point it refuses to feed exactly one cheap brand of ammo...if it does this with others, i will have S&W replace the barrel as it would be a feedramp issue, but not feeding one box of one lot of cheapest ammo does not make a defective gun...cheapest ammo is cheapest for a reason...more variation in components/bullets/brass/casemouth burrs, assembly/seating depth, and less QC oversight

Unfortunately, these are the areas where you are probably a thousand times more likely to have to actually USE your concealed weapon in real-life situation . . .
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this might come as a suprise to urbanites including "expert authors", but handloads are not looked at AT ALL in most areas of the country, the only legality at issue whether the shooting was justified or not....now, if you live in a major urban metro area where folk sue you for not having your own land barricaded to prevent drunk trespassers from falling off a cliff on your land, then maybe you should worry....but these issues are a non-issue in huge areas of the country, the majority area-wise....think blue state vs red state on maps....where i live, handload liability is a joke, and we generally know where authors of such stuff live as soon as they start wailing.
You're correct, most of the hype has come from famous gun writer's inventive minds.

Now could handloads be raised as an issue in a less than airtight defense shooting? Sure. Especially in an urban area with less firearms savvy juries.

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As for my gun being defective, it is defective to the point it refuses to feed exactly one cheap brand of ammo...if it does this with others, i will have S&W replace the barrel as it would be a feedramp issue, but not feeding one box of one lot of cheapest ammo does not make a defective gun...cheapest ammo is cheapest for a reason...more variation in components/bullets/brass/casemouth burrs, assembly/seating depth, and less QC oversight
In your other post, you spoke of the bullet's design being the issue.

I don't know if you've ever been to the Winchester plant, but I've been there a few times. They maintain samples of most major gun models, including very low cost guns, and they test all their ammunition for feeding in them, even their white box loads. It's not in their best interest to ship ammo with feeding problems in common guns, even to Wal Mart. I'm confident feeding is more of a priority in their white box loads than terminal performance of the bullet. Most Wal Mart customers aren't going to return it because it didn't make 12" in bare gel, but if it doesn't feed in their High Point they probably will.

I understand what you're saying, but in a self defense gun, I'd still be concerned about it not feeding, and I'd let S&W fix it. There's no reason for it not to run in your gun.
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You're correct, most of the hype has come from famous gun writer's inventive minds.

Now could handloads be raised as an issue in a less than airtight defense shooting? Sure. Especially in an urban area with less firearms savvy juries.



In your other post, you spoke of the bullet's design being the issue.

I don't know if you've ever been to the Winchester plant, but I've been there a few times. They maintain samples of most major gun models, including very low cost guns, and they test all their ammunition for feeding in them, even their white box loads. It's not in their best interest to ship ammo with feeding problems in common guns, even to Wal Mart. I'm confident feeding is more of a priority in their white box loads than terminal performance of the bullet. Most Wal Mart customers aren't going to return it because it didn't make 12" in bare gel, but if it doesn't feed in their High Point they probably will.

I understand what you're saying, but in a self defense gun, I'd still be concerned about it not feeding, and I'd let S&W fix it. There's no reason for it not to run in your gun.
Everything else has run fine, and Winchester nor anyone else puts the same amount TLC into assembly or components of their low-end lines...not to say you have to get the $20/20rds stuff, but generically speaking you WILL get better ammo with the mid-range price stuff over loss leader promo....you will find burrs on case mouths, inconsistant seating depth, and this particular lot is even VISUALLY inconsistant, older cases mixed with newer, different primer colors, differing levels of light corrosion or speckling....the gun has run perfectly with everything else tried and i'll not be sending a gun back because it doesn't function with one box of cheapo delux ammo....the mouth of the HP would be gouging an aluminum frame, it is going at that straight in, and leaves a blob of lead low and centered on the ramp after a couple of successful shots, and lead shouldn't be touching ANYthing....either they were seated too short, or they have improved ogive on later ammo, which has happened a lot....I can say this ammo though new has been in a warehouse somewhere for a while....but i'm not going to buy this particular style/maker/weight anymore anyhow....their 147s run fine through the gun.....

As for posters claiming their areas are more dangerous, no argument there, mainly as armed populace is so rare...
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just sorta an update on the Winwhite 115grJHP failure in MY gun, while all other stuff has worked fine...called Winchester who is sending a prepaid mailer, all i have to do is leave it suitably double boxed and marked ORM-D/small arms ammunition, UPS will pick it up, and a Winchester coupon for a good deal more than what i spent on the two boxes of ammo will be dispatched to my house and i can get the 147gr Winwhite that DOES work perfectly in my gun....
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FWIW, this weekend while attending a tactical training class, I found out that the Winchester Ranger 115gr +P+ WILL go through both sides of a Ford Aerostar van, the standard stuff, (including .45 cal FMJ), won't. The instructor, who carries .357 Sig, likes the +P+ 9mm, BUT also pointed out that your gun better be able to handle it!
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