I went to my local range today to blow off some steam with my Sigma 40ve. I bought 2-500 round boxes of reloads. Set up my tagets and loaded up. I shot 800 rounds and only stopped to reload. The upper part of the gun got so hot I could barley close the slide. My hands hurt, something fierce, right now and I am surprised I can even type this out. I had one failure to fire and that was due to a bunk primer. Now I have right around 22K rounds thru the 40ve. I have yet to replace any parts.
This little gun is the most reliable one I have owned. I can honestly say that now after that little torture test. If you were to this I would definetly reccommend you use the Tetra Gun Polymer Lube for your lube. I don't think Hoppies or Gun grease would do it.

Nice Job, you earned the PAIN

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800 rounds in one session with no (gun-related) stoppages is RELIABILITY. I like the Sigmas and am always tempted when I see deals around $200, sometimes even lower. Keep asking myself: "why NOT buy one at that price?" Except these days I'm usually not even able to do $200

The only complaints you usually hear about these guns is the trigger. Doesn't scare me as most people complain about the M&P trigger, too, and I have no problem at all with it. (I actually LIKE the M&P trigger.)

Not after 800 round you wouldn't. The trigger on nthe sigma get to feel like 50 - 60 lbs after a while.
I don't like where the reset is on the M&P. I was gong to buy one on Sat but ended up going with the G17 instead.

Absolutely!! I shoot 150-200 in My 40ve and I'm done...

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Only a angry man would spend $200 to blow off steam. Now you can throw that Sigma in the mud, then freeze it,and shoot the other 200 rounds. Then it might be as good as that G17.

Hey now, Its not $200. Besides if it wasn't gonna be bullets it would have been a $200 h00k3r. I thought the shooting recklessly at the range would be more fun and a little bit safer.

LOL! I went to a shooting range ONCE. They didn't like reckless shooting... oh wait I mean rapid firing. They don't even want you to be doing double taps. Needless to say I don't go to ranges anymore, I have my own private range now.

Ah!! the beauty of the uncrowded confederacy

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Oh ya, you shoot into crowds of gang bangers in your back alley. The cops don't say anything as long as you clean up after yourself?!.

I have had 800+ round days, but never 800 rounds in a single session. Especially not shooting .40s&w from a polymer framed gun. I can only presume that you are either independently wealthy or you don't have a lot of kids. Divorced maybe?

I wish i could shoot 800 in a day, im lucky to shoot 100-150 in one shooting, spell B R O K E for me LOL, Oh and someone mention Hookrs?!?!

Kids are grown and in the Army learning how to be men. Lately, I have only been shooting once every few weeks. Not wealthy, and far from it. I'm just like the other 12.6% of Americans at the moment. The steel framed guns are the ones that would have a problem with the 800 rouinds. Remember with the polymer guns ther are only 4 small spots that the metal slide makes contact with the slide and as for a 1911 their are 2 points of contact and they are large, they would heat up the frame of the gun quite quickly and the friction after the lube is gone would be very extreem. That's why the polymer guns are so nice.

I feel kinda guilty going thru 200 at one range session. $50 is a tank of gas these days...if you have a reasonable sized tank. I'm with the OP, I'd rather give that $50 to Remington, than to Venezuela, or Saudi Arabia (or a h**ker)- sure wish we could drill our own oil.

As long as Santorum wins this thing we will get the oil from the good ole U.S.A. If Romney or B.O. wins we are looking at a GRIM future, my friend.
$50 would not even give me 1/2 tank of gas at almost $5 a gal. I am looking at $175 on a good day. That = a lot of range time. Maybe J Rich is right by calling me "Angry". But as titled a Toby album, Angry American. There is a damn good reason for it too. The time is coming, soon, where "we" will have to stand up and fight. I really don't know what the others that don't "believe" in our 2nd amend. rights will do. But after all the hell we have caught for be being prepared I don't know if I will want or try to defend them. Its time to buy all the ammo you can get your hands on and have a good arsenal.
My primary thing is to have 2 high powered rifles with 500 rounds each, 2 shotguns with the same, and a few handguns with as much ammo as i can afford. I can hunt, farm and gather for food, purify water when I need it. Thats my plan.

Rapid downgrade in content quality lately.

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Holy cow, 175 for a tank of gas...I agree something will need to be done, and soon, but guess we should stay on topic.
The OP said he was blowing off steam, and man do I know what you mean partner. Lately between my job, church projects, my mom (dementia and lives with us), I've been going at least once a week lately. Walk out of the range smilin' every time..a little less money in my pocket, but what a way to spend a lunch hour.

I'm with you guys. I'm in the process of quitting smoking, and was just thinkin this morning, hey, more money for ammo now (and, well, gas too). And to vector16; good thinking.

you lucky sun of a female dog. up here in the peoples republic, we are lucky to be 'allowed' to shoot anyplace in the state, even in a conc block house....

Well I am the OP'er so its OK.
Yup, $175. I drive a Dodge Ram 2500. I would get rid of the thing if I did not really use it. In cases like going to the nursery and getting 3 yards of soil or compost could be done in a car without ruining it or taking 5 trips i'd be all about it or maybe picking up 10 sheets of plywood or maybe a refigerator or even hualing back a dead deer. Thats the price ya pay to go it first class, not to mention the registration costs. for my wifes car it was $39 and for my truck i paid $269. Something has to be done to get the the Goverment to live within their means. They always preach to us and ntell us if you can't afford it with the money you have your out of luck. If a company cannot afford to stay in biusness tough. Then the go and give Wall street $700,000,000,000.00 so they can pay their executives their bonuses, they did the same **** with the big three minus Ford. That was all for the pket liners of the exec's not to keep the companies in buisness. They don't even have a contract to get paid back. between the 2 bailouts they could have given Every single amaerican citizen over $200,000 each. That would have stimulated the econimy alot better than what happened. People could have brought their morgage under control and all of them could have bought 2 brand new cars, EVERY ONE OF THEM, man woman and child.

I went to Wal-Mart to day to get a watch and decided to look at the ammo too. The TulAmmo is $14 for .45, $12 for .40, and $10 for 9mm. I really like using steel case ammo, I find in more accurate than brass. Its a lillte dirty but I clean my guns thuroughly after I shoot them anyway and the ammo is no redloads, its new. I could have gottem 1500 rounds for $360. I'll do that when I go buy ammo next time.
I also have a drill press here at home so I can make 1/2 of those into Hollow Points. What a deal that is.

I've got nothing. What do you say to that? Home made hollow points.

I quit smoking back in May 2011. I was at 3 packs a day and could barley breath in the morning, muchless hiking around the woods chasing deer. I used the patch ofr about 2 months and kept a can of Cope when I really needed a boost. If you plan on staying off smokin' and don't want to be one of those guys in the emphizima commercial I suggest you do the same. My girl did it cold tukey but she turned into a reallu bad liar in the process. She later said that she would just feel so terrible coming home and lying to me about not smoking when she knew damn well I could smell it on her. She made a fool on a daily basis for almost 2 months. At least the Chew got me out of the smokiing. I tried to smoke 1 hit of ... a few months ago and it hurt so damn bad. I think the the chew will be easier when the time comes. I find myself not at 1/2 a can a day and sometime I go 4-5 hours without. I have more trouble with pastramii samiches.

I missopke on that one. I have done it with lead bullets and was thinking about that. Turning FMJ into HP is a liitle out there. I need to start reloading. The big problem I have is the startup $$$. The kit alone is $400 to $800 and that is not counting the supplies, Brass, lead, primers etc.. maybe just stay with the steel ammo and just have a box of 50 JHP for each gun.

My God what kit are you looking to buy? I got a local bullet maker in town they do a lot of supplying to the LE. Reloading supplies, new and reload ammo, kits and they're open to the public. You can get LEE kits complete with press, scale, manual, and so on for about $150. Die sets run about $30, powder about $23, primers $30 per 1000, I think 100 .40 fmj bullets are $10 or maybe $20, not sure on brass. I pick up my own brass as shoot it.

It's where I get all my ammo. I rather give my money to a competitive local guy rather than walmart.

If I am going to reload, I want to be able to reload for ALL of my guns, not just pistols and pistol cal.'s. I want to be able to do:
.243
.30-06
.308
30/30
.300
.223
.45 ACP
.45
.44
.380
.38 special
.357
.40
9mm
.41
.32
7mm
10mm
.454
.410
16 ga
28 ga
20 ga
12 ga
10 ga
etc. I hope you get the point

I would also like to be able to do FMJ, PSP, AP, SP. HP, JHP, Cast lead, PP, Wad Cutters, etc...
The average starter kit includes 2 dyes if your lucky and a traditional scale, not a digital. There is alot more into it than you would think. The avreage person that does it only does 3 or 4 cals. In order for it to be considered saving money for me I would have to do about 1000 rounds of each listed above. Remember where I live, There just are not a whole lot of places to get good stuff around here. In fact the nearest to me is BPS at 75 miles. I know I can get the Online stuff, but after shipping and Required taxes now its not really worth it, not to mention if I need to return or exchange something. Which also brings to point about ordering guns online for me. Its great that the on-line sales are so cheap but after all of the CA, BS, gets done with it i'd be better of going to the damn store and getting what i need. GMP

vector! It's always something with you.

Lets face it you aren't going to save the amount of money reloading pistol or rifle ammo to justify your start up cost. IMO shotgun reloading is where the real saving can be had.

Well the rifle ammo I thought would be the money saver. Take 30-06 ammo for instance, to buy a box of Federal its $24/$26 for 20 rounds. .243 is not much cheaper. Shotgun amm is the cheap stuff, $25 shells for $7 of game and $4 for a box of 5,00 buck. I think I did an average of what it would be already owning the equipment and I would be saving $2 a box of 50 for most pistol cals and about $5 per box of Hi-power rifle. It would take a while to see the savings but it would be there in 10 - 12 years. But if the ****zu hit the fan at the end of this year than I could just use that cash to get pre made ammo. That would be about 2000 rounds for my basic plan. Most of which would be gone after the first month of fighting off teh thieves and looters. I guess i would only have a few hundred left to cross country with to anrea where the pigs are abundent for food.

Looks as though you got it all figured out.

The one guy I know that reloads his pistol ammo just does it because he has nothing better to do. He really only save $1-$2 per 50.

Some people I know are big in to rifle reloading. They are big time hunters so they like playing with the powder to get the ballistics they want. Their savings are minimal as well.

They all say buckshot has the most saving.

I would be curious to know how much they are saving. Do they use the spent shells? I really don't know how to even go about reloading shotgun shells. I know, I can take the shot out and replace it with rock salt to make somebodies day a whole lot worse or maybe even used fish hook barbs, or both. Then you just use a little wax to reseal the shell and you're good to go.

Vector, I was at WalMart today, bought 250 rnds of UMC 9mm, $70, and 3 boxes of 100 Remngtn HPs for $85. The UMC is a tad dirty, but dependable. I'm with ya on the Govt spending within its means but fat chance of that. For the last 3 years the IRS took in roughly 6.2 trillion, they spent that, plus almost 7 trillion more.
Edit: I deleted the rest, I started rambling and I apologize. DC makes me so mad...yall have a good weekend.

Not to mention, and I wish people could getthis through their thick skulls, the only jobs that goverment creates are goverment jobs, Goverment jobs take more money out of our pockets. We do not need more goverment and more goverment jobs. We need less goverment and less goverment jobs. We need to lower all taxes to the point they were after WWII. When taxes are low poeple open new buisnesses. Whe people open new buisnesses jobs are created "by the people", that should open up a memeory or two. Whe more buisnesses are open more people have jobs. when more people have jobs more taxes get paid. When more taxes get paid the more happens in this country. We don't need more liberals in this country. we need more far right wing politicains and less left wing. Goverment is not a full time job. There is no reaso for the mayor of what ever state you live in to go to China for public relations or your senetor to do it either. Their job is to represent the people of cities and states, not the enitire country. Each one of those trips cost you and I over 2 million dollars. To put that in perspective for those of you paying attention, thats employing 40 people for 1 year at $50,000 for that year. The goverment pays this kind of money so ALL the congressmen and senetors can make these trips 2-3 time a year. For the Presedent to make a trip like this its 4-5 times as much. For hime to take Air Force One from DC to NY cost the tax payers $3.2 million.

As to a response to the first part of your post, Rem. UMC rounds are tghe dirtiest rounds i have ever seen, I bought 50 rounds one time from wal-mart and went to the range. when i got home it looked like I shot 500 rounds through my gun. I have used steel case ammo before like, wolff and Blaze. that ammo was not as dirty as Rem UMC. You could have gotten 7 boxes of the TULAmmo (350 rounds) for the a little cheaper. They are just under $10 a box. As for the JHPs I still am used to Winchester at my local shop for $19 for a box of 50 and thats for one of my .45s. the 9mm is even cheaper i think I pay $15 for a box of 50 PMC

If I'm not mistaken they use spent shells. Google is your friend on the rest.


Chuck don't get him started on the Govn.

Oh really, I have not even begun to scratch the service on that beast. Some of what needs to be said would be BAD. You know, when talking about the Goverment, what people are really saying behing each word. You really know what they wnat to say by the snear and twitch they get when a name is mentioned. I can go throught the list and tell what need to be done with each and everyone of them, vacation is not on the list. I think I have become my Father and my Grandfather the last four years with as bad as this country was and how much farther its gone into this deep hole.

Anyway, Over the years I have noticed that when I see reloading equipment is for sale on the web people always have a stock pile of new SG shells ready to be loaded. I think I read somewhere that it was not even worth the effort to try to reload .22's or SG shells. If you wanted t0o load your own you could buy the bare equipment.

here is your grand tota l there J.

http://www.megcha.com/ChadBuckendahl...Buckendahl.pdf

don't know if its really worth it.

Well just research it see what you come up with. I'm not reloading, and I think the only reason I would is to say I do it. You the pride in doing something yourself. Not to try to save money.

You should ask them about prices per thousand. If you can ship product and make a small profit doing it maybe that would be a little extra cash in you pocket and maybe mine as well. My local range charges $109 for 500 9mm, $139 for .40s and $179 for .45s. If you can do them for cheap??? it might be worth looking into. I know I would be interested in purchasing reloads for cheaper than that, esspecially if they could be brass. I can get reload from a gun show for $89 for .40s but that is few and far between shows, AND shows cost money too.
PM me if that might be something you would be interested in doing.