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Old 12-04-2012, 09:32 PM
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Perhaps I don't know what "cocked and locked" means. What I meant to say is that I carry a live round in the chamber as well as 17 rounds in the magazine.
Cocked and locked refers to a 1911 style pistol.

Chamber loaded hammer cocked safety on.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:37 PM
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Thanks Ken, I went into B&S Guns ONCE and decided they should rename the place BS Guns. They must have cut their prices since I was there last year.
I have purchased two S&W pistols from BS, and was ripped off once, and lied to twice. But the young man did it so nicely, I bought the guns anyway. By the way, Academy advertises the Sigma, but I'm never seen one in the display at any of the stores here in the metroplex.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:00 PM
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I just posted this in another thread but.... I just walked out of an Academy Sports buying the SD9 VE, a conceal holster, 100 rounds of Winchester white box 115 gr, 25 rounds of Hornady defense rounds for $380 including tax. You simply cannot beat that.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:59 PM
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Ok we get you like the fact that the rear rails are not attached to the frame what is your point? Have you ever even taken a look at the sear block in the SD? There is almost no plastic actually holding the rear rails in place.

The problem with the internet is there are just too many kids online with zero knowledge. Having the rear rails attached to the frame is by far stronger and provides less movement than having them directly mounted to the frame.

Who knows why S&W put the rear rails in the sear block, the only thing I can come up with is reduced production cost as well as repair cost. There is a reason no one else is doing this.
FN, the second home of John M. Browning himself, is not known for making junk, and they do not, in fact, make junk. Unfortunately, however, FN must now have the same kind of incompetent wags in Belgium and here at their US facility as S&W since the FN line of pistols also have removable frame rails.

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Old 12-17-2012, 11:19 PM
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Take a look at the rear rails they are held in place by a very very small sliver of plastic on the SD I dont care who else makes removable rails it is a poor design the rails should be mounted directly to the frame

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Old 09-11-2013, 04:02 PM
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The 2nd S&W semiauto I ever bought was the Sigma 9F (used). Ugly and reliable, the 9F had the Glock-style chisel point striker. When the "Allied Forces" SW9VE came out locally for $299 with 4 hi-caps, I sold the 9F and immediately regretted it because of the VE trigger. The SW9VE was always reliable. The trigger in the 9F was/is lighter and you truly notice the difference in the VE. I also bought a SW40VE for $189 used. Good guns, but as an original owner of a S&W 639, the best pistol I've ever owned, I knew how a good trigger assembly can go a long way towards inherent accuracy and rapid fire. So I dumped the Sigmas (liked them, honest) and carried/shot the Ruger SR9 (excellent gun) and had nothing but problems with the SR45. Last week I asked the salesman to show me the SD9VE. Big improvement in the trigger over the SW9 and 40. $329 out the door and a bargain at that. I'm very impressed with this gun. Lacking an external safety, the trigger pull is perfect for me and an improvement over the Sigma VE series.
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Old 09-11-2013, 04:08 PM
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Update, I am still at 100% reliability with both of my SD9's. I wish Smith would come out with a 45 ACP version.

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looking for a 9mm for the home and see the SD9VE is on sale at a local gun shop. After reading reviews & watching youtube vids, it seems like a great gun especially for the price. Only issue is the trigger pull with my small hands. I'm guessing I'll get used to it after putting 200 rounds through.

SO, should I get it or not?? Recommend or pass ?? or get more expensive gun like the shield or m&p9 ??

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Old 10-24-2013, 04:36 PM
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If it's a SD9VE I say buy it - if it's a Sigma - I say no .

I've owned both and love the SD9VE - did not like & sold the Sigma.

The only reason I bring up the Sigma is that some stores try to pass the Sigma off as a SD9VE and they are different triggers / guns entirely.

The SD9VE feels great in your hand and shoots well.

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Old 10-25-2013, 05:03 PM
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local store has it on sale for $299. I never saw this gun before. I know you get what you pay for thats why I'm curious. My sig .380 was double the price..

so far the SD9VE has great reviews..

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If it's a SD9VE I say buy it - if it's a Sigma - I say no .

I've owned both and love the SD9VE - did not like & sold the Sigma.

The only reason I bring up the Sigma is that some stores try to pass the Sigma off as a SD9VE and they are different triggers / guns entirely.

The SD9VE feels great in your hand and shoots well.

IMHO

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Old 10-26-2013, 01:03 PM
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I got my SD9VE a few month ago and LOVE it. It's my first firearm/handgun. When I was looking for a gun I had my focus on the SIG SP2022 in 9mm and shot it as a rental at a local range - really liked the DA/SA trigger. Got the SD9VE because it fitted the budget better - $100 less than the SIG. The trigger pull on the stock SD was at 8lbs. and the trigger had some over travel after the shot broke. After I put the Apex Spring Kit and the AET trigger in these problems are solved. Trigger pull is a bit over 6lbs. now and no over travel at all. Accuracy has increased remarkable. Put 800 rounds of different brands and bullet weights through it with no issues at all. If you're looking for a good reliable budget gun I can recommend the SD9VE. The price of $299 is a good deal - mine was $329 at Academy (not on sale).
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Old 10-26-2013, 01:19 PM
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Update, I am still at 100% reliability with both of my SD9's. I wish Smith would come out with a 45 ACP version.
Glad to hear they are running well for you.

Just a quick point to touch on... I used to shoot at the S&W Shooting Sports Center when they were still in business, and rented numerous guns there. I tried the Sigma a few times, and was impressed by how accurate I was with it, but the range models they had suffered from small parts failure (trigger pins drifting out, the slide lock lever snapped off, etc.) I'm curious how often this occurs with normal use of the gun versus heavy use of rental guns.

If you have any issue with small parts breaking or malfunctioning, would you kindly update us? If these guns hold up well, I have a friend who might be getting into guns that will want a very affordable pistol.
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