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Old 03-06-2016, 09:36 PM
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So I fired a semiautomatic that chambers a 9mm Luger round (a Sig Sauer P223 actually!) and it felt *sweet*. Still a load of power like my 40, but without the *pain*. I switched back to mine and even though I'm getting used to the SD40VE now (feels better in my hand than the P223 did, just because my pinky had somewhere solid to be), there's just so much more trigger travel (I felt), and advancing past the clicking point to get to the bang feels like it takes forever. I'm no longer flinching or "anticipating" the shot (hooray!!) but when it happens, that punch is so hard, I'm gone. Back to indexed finger position, resetting and replacing the pad of my fingertip on the trigger. Very time consuming and I'm trying to master Hanging On to that bad boy so I can follow up my shot.

On the P223, I *did* that... I was like, "just don't let go once it goes bang" and I let it slip a little bit past the forward "click," and then got sight-aligned again while inhaling, and while exhaling Click! BANG. Lots of control, *RIGHT* on target.

So was that the 9 doing all of that? I have to check my canister for the grain but maybe it was a lower weight round too? Is that the Sig Sauer having a "brawnier" build to give me more force stability? I kept thinking back over what was going on with the SD40VE and now that I've got my isosceles stance on point, I wasn't just collapsing after the shot like my first time up to the firing line. Wrists were STRAIGHT, and the gun was right where I wanted it, but my left finger just could not hold on for anything.

A part of me is thinking, "maybe I want the SD9VE," hehehe. But before I go down that long road (it's California, ugh), maybe I need to focus on TRAINING. More and more time behind the firing line, just building up a tolerance to the blast so that I can follow on that shot in a controlled manner.

Thoughts fellow SD owners? :-)
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Old 03-06-2016, 10:44 PM
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Not shot a .40 in almost a decade, but remember I did not enjoy (for lack of a better word) as much as I do 9mm. Have not shot my SD9VE yet, but the M&P9 and GLOCK 17 Gen 4 I rented were super fun to shoot and easy on the wrist and fast back on target. Got LEO buddies that swear by .40S&W.
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It's the difference between the recoil impulse of a 180gr FMJ (assumed) .40 S&W v.s. a 115gr FMJ (assumed). Unless you've shot the two rounds, you won't understand what I am about to say.

9mm recoil impulse = feels like a pop

.40 S&W recoil impulse = feels like a snap

Sometimes, .40 S&W can induce a flinch in unprepared and brand new firearms enthusiasts.

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...there's just so much more trigger travel (I felt), and advancing past the clicking point to get to the bang feels like it takes forever.
If you were shooting a 9mm Sig Sauer handgun, the difference you are describing is due to the different fire control systems of both pistols. One is a hammer fire DA/SA. The SDVE is a striker fired. Hammer down, the Sig's first trigger pull will be long and heavy. The subsequent shots will be in single action mode, short and crisp. The trigger pull of the SDVE is long because of the type of striker system in it. The SDVE has to fully cock the striker, hence the long trigger press. Other striker fired pistols pre-cock the striker to some degree.

You can modify the SDVE's trigger pull to be lighter, but not shorter. You can also fit an Apex Trigger shoe to eliminate trigger over travel.
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No matter how much training you do you will never be able to place follow up shots as quickly with the 40S&W as you will with the 9mm.
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It's the difference between the recoil impulse of a 180gr FMJ (assumed) .40 S&W v.s. a 115gr FMJ (assumed). Unless you've shot the two rounds, you won't understand what I am about to say.

9mm recoil impulse = feels like a pop

.40 S&W recoil impulse = feels like a snap
I *literally* just asked someone this today and they just shrugged and said "dunno." I specifically used that example of different grain rounds of the same caliber. I have shot both and I completely understood this. Made a lot of sense.

Indeed, last time (my first time) up on the firing line, flinching started happening. What I find Is helping me with this is dry firing. I am Tempted to try snap caps but I'm not sure if the cost is justified and, I'm really concerned about making a mistake with them. Maybe some months into shooting and I've developed a fair bit of confidence and conditioned handling where I don't have to spend a moment remembering every little thing I do, I'll put in range time where for every three rounds, I put in 2 live, 1 snap up to 9 to work on my trigger discipline.

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Hammer down, the Sig's first trigger pull will be long and heavy. The subsequent shots will be in single action mode, short and crisp. The trigger pull of the SDVE is long because of the type of striker system in it. The SDVE has to fully cock the striker, hence the long trigger press.
That makes perfect sense also and explains the experience very well.

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You can modify the SDVE's trigger pull to be lighter, but not shorter. You can also fit an Apex Trigger shoe to eliminate trigger over travel.
Interesting ideas. I may consider these some day. Particularly if my new techniques to handle the trigger better never fully bring the kind of predictability I'm looking to establish.
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No matter how much training you do you will never be able to place follow up shots as quickly with the 40S&W as you will with the 9mm.
Given rounds from the same size framed, standard configuration pistol, yes. I find this to be true when shooting a Glock 19 v.s Glock 23, Glock 17 v.s. Glock 22, M&P 9 v.s. M&P 40, ...etc.

BUT... it all depends on the setup of the pistol. Add a little weight up front, install a ported barrel, do a little trigger work, install one of the quickest sights to pick up... voila...



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You mean Sig 224? It's their sub compact. Grip only has enough space for 3 of my fingers

Like JaPes said, every gun is going to feel different.
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