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Old 05-24-2013, 04:24 PM
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are now available. I ordered one for my SD9VE this morning.
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are now available. I ordered one for my SD9VE this morning.

I've you've tried the Apex kit, let us know if it ends up noticeably lighter vs that. I'd probably try this one if starting from scratch but trying to figure out if buying this if one already has the Apex kit is worth it.
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:54 PM
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They come with 4 springs for the SDVE.

One more then the Apex kit.

They included a lighter sear spring which the Apex kit did not.

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I've got the Apex kit in now. I'll post back after the install.
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I am curious to find out how it stands up to the Apex kit.

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I've got the Apex kit in now. I'll post back after the install.
I'd be interested to know how hard the install was as well. I am not very mechanical. My son, who is very mechanical, could do it for me, but I like to try things myself. Also, he said that if the trigger pull is reduced to between 3.5 and 4.5, that I would be playing with fire in a sd9ve because there is not safety. He does know more about handguns than I do, being a handgun novice, but I told him that I won't be putting my finger on the trigger unless I am gonna shoot, so it shouldn't be a problem. He seems to think that dropping it or hitting it on something could cause a misfire. Any thoughts?
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I'd be interested to know how hard the install was as well. I am not very mechanical. My son, who is very mechanical, could do it for me, but I like to try things myself. Also, he said that if the trigger pull is reduced to between 3.5 and 4.5, that I would be playing with fire in a sd9ve because there is not safety. He does know more about handguns than I do, being a handgun novice, but I told him that I won't be putting my finger on the trigger unless I am gonna shoot, so it shouldn't be a problem. He seems to think that dropping it or hitting it on something could cause a misfire. Any thoughts?
Striker fired pistols do not have the issue of discharging when dropped. That said, unless your internals are broken, or your finger (or other object snags it) is on the trigger, it won't fire.
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Striker fired pistols do not have the issue of discharging when dropped. That said, unless your internals are broken, or your finger (or other object snags it) is on the trigger, it won't fire.
He said that you are right, he meant if I hit it against something and the snagged the trigger. I think he thinks I am gonna shoot myself.

I just purchased another little handgun that I won't mention the name of since this is a Smith and Wesson site, and it has a hammer and shoots double or single action. Single action is so smooth, and it is in the 3.5 to 4.5 range. I am having goose bumps now just thinking about my sd9ve shooting that smooth. I just may have to get that Galloway kit instead of the apex it if I can find some testimonials of people who have installed it. Old school boys keep telling me to keep the sd9ve the way it is and learn to shoot it with the pull I have.
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Old school boys keep telling me to keep the sd9ve the way it is and learn to shoot it with the pull I have.
Everybody has their own opinion. It really boils down to what YOU want, not what they want. If you want to adapt to your belongings, or you want to adapt your belongings to you... it's your choice.
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Everybody has their own opinion. It really boils down to what YOU want, not what they want. If you want to adapt to your belongings, or you want to adapt your belongings to you... it's your choice.
You're right, Zoomie (no offense, and I can't repeat what the grunts called us on the ship), and thanks for your service. I just have to have that smooth trigger pull, so I am gonna go for it. I think having the light pull on a weapon with no safety will make me that much more safety conscious. And I am seriously thinking about using the sd9ve for my CCW in cooler weather. Still waiting to hear back from Nevada on how the Galloway install went compared to the Apex.
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We are on a brief jaunt up to Oregon. With postal tracking, I see that it is currently sitting in my PO Box back home! We'll be back Friday evening. I'll probably do the instal then...after driving 450+ miles! Will keep you all posted.
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:32 PM
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Returned last night from Oregon, opened the kit and got busy with the install. There are no instructions but the Apex video covers 3/4's of it. Now when it comes to the sear spring, that can be a challenge. I finally figured it out. I had to use a vise to act as a 3rd hand. Also, there is no slave pin for the trigger pin install. Luckily I kept mine from the previous Apex install.
This morning at the range the trigger felt pretty good. I wish I had a scale to measure the pull but I don't. This afternoon I went down to a LGS to see if they had one for a simple test pull. They didn't have one either.
My accuracy was better. I shoot 115 gr reloads. I'll be going back to the range soon and I'll keep you posted. I know that the trigger pull with the Apex was a little better than factory. I think this may be a tad better than the Apex. I'll have to get my hands on a scale to know for sure.
Galloway got this in the mail to me several hours after I purchased it online. Very quick shipping!

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Nevada, thanks for the update on the galloway kit. Sounds like it took the pull a little lower than apex, but not down to where it's a hair trigger. I look forward to you continued updates. I have never down nothing but a field strip with mine. Is the sear spring the one with several coils, and two wires coming off each end of the coils?
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Yes, that's the one. It fits into the sear with those 2 wires under tension. In fact, on the Apex video, the guy doing the instruct on their product makes quick mention of it by stating something like "you don't even want to mess with that one".

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Yes, that's the one. It fits into the sear with those 2 wires under tension. In fact, on the Apex video, the guy doing the instruct on their product makes quick mention of it by stating something like "you don't even want to mess with that one".
Ok, that's the one that this guy at sigmatrigger.com has coming at the end of June. If you replace the stock sear spring with his, then he says your pull will be about 5.5 pounds. His spring has less coils than the stock one. He used to have youtube video on his website, but took it off after selling out a thousand in two weeks. He ordered more and they are supposed to be in the last of June and will cost 18 bucks. He does the spring on the sigmas as well, but it is different. I saw the video before he took it off and he had to "feel" the second wire going into place as he slowly moved it to the left. Anyway, he made it look easy, but I know it isn't. He advised to never replace the striker spring, and the sear is the only one that he redesigned.
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I think I just will get the apex and see if that helps first
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I purchased a trigger pull scale and it should arrive tomorrow. I'm still doing some more testing with the Galloway and will report my findings soon.
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He seems to think that dropping it or hitting it on something could cause a misfire. Any thoughts?
No way with striker fired guns the striker by itself just doesnt have enough mass to build up a force required to set off the primer. Now toss in the firing pin block and it just wont happen ever unless there was a fault with the striker forced forward and stuck there along with firing pin block disabled.

It is a little different for striker fired guns that are SA though.

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He advised to never replace the striker spring, and the sear is the only one that he redesigned.
When you replace the striker you start getting light strikes
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Hi I just received my Galloway trigger spring kit today and installed it, I'm going to the range tomorrow to test my SD9VE out with the new sear spring. I already had the Apex spring kit in my sd but I was around 5.5 to 6lbs trigger pull. I only replaced the sear spring first today and I checked the trigger pull several times and I was getting around 4.5 lbs to right under 5 lbs. The trigger seems a little different now when I pull it, I'm not sure that I installed the sear spring exactly right but it seems to work when dry firing. I will report back tomorrow or the next day after testing at the range. Hopefully everything works fine. I'm tired of the long and heavy trigger pull.
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When you replace the striker you start getting light strikes
Light strikes are possible, that's why testing is important. I have a lighter striker spring (and heavier recoil spring) in my Kahr and it runs 100%.
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Sleeves44...Thanks for posting, I'm awaiting your findings!
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Final thoughts: Galloway vs. Apex... I finally got my Timney trigger scale. With the Galloway spring kit installed (all Galloway springs), my trigger pull is @ 6.25 lbs. They advertise 3.5 to 4.5 lbs.
I took out the Galloway kit and put back in the Apex spring kit. My trigger pull is @ 5.75 lbs. They advertise "about 5.5 lbs.".

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I wounder how the sigmatrigger.com spring would work with the Apex kit

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That sounds like a great product. I wonder if any forum folks have installed it?
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UPDATE...UPDATE...I have deleted in my posts above references to the Galloway kit causing premature slide lock back with rounds still in the mag. It doesn't do that. I DID THAT! As I have been doing more testing between the 2 kits, installing/reinstalling trigger springs, I noticed that it is possible to not get the slide release spring/tensioner in the correct position. I refer to it as a "tensioner" because it is not shaped like a spring per se. One position has the tensioner barely seated against the removable upper/forward rail component. In this position, this is what caused my premature slide lock back. Reinstalling the slide release so that the tensioner has more of a "bend" or angle as it rests against the upper/forward rail component is apparently the correct position. This allows the slide release to be under the proper tension. The difference to the human eye is subtle, especially mine. Anyways, fired many rounds and nary a problem.
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Did the trigger lighten up any with the Galloway kit? Before you said 6.25 lbs. for Galloway and 5.75 lbs. for Apex. How about the Apex kit with the Galloway sear spring?
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That's how I have it now, been trying various combinations. With the Galloway sear spring and all other Apex springs, it's still @ 5.75 lbs. If I leave it alone at this point, maybe I'll call it a "Gallapex"! This is the lowest lb. rating I could get. I'm hoping some Galloway users will chime in to see if they're getting the advertised "3.5 to 4.5". Galloway seems like a good company, maybe I got a bad run.
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I called Apex yesterday because I was buying their trigger kit and asked them the difference in pull force. They said, word for word: "There is no set force that we set the trigger pull to. All guns are made differently and each part is not 100% the same as another gun of the same model. The installation of our spring kit in the Smith and Wesson SD9VE can achieve up to a 35% decrease in the force required to cause the striking pin to fire. Again, it is up to 35% and the difference has been recorded to be as low as 20%. For me to give you a set number for the required force your firearm will require on the trigger is just not something I can give you with complete certainty."

I was amazed with how honest the person I spoke with was. People are saying that it is around a 8 pound trigger, getting 35% reduction would make it a 5.2 pound trigger and 20% would be a 6.4 pound. What I am trying to say is that Apex Tech admits there is a variation from gun to gun and kit to kit due to manufacturing errors (a spring that is supposed to be 1 inch long ends up being 1.002 inches, etc) so this is going to be the same for Galloway as well, I would assume. I'm just trying to shed some light on why you were not able to achieve Galloway's "lowest advertised numbers" because they are a company, they are going to advertise the best numbers they can. Just remember there is a lot of variation in manufactured products.
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jpendergrass1...Thank you for your comments. And thanks to Apex for being candid. With my current 5.75, I have no beef with Apex's stated numbers. I'm waiting to see if anyone out there is able to achieve Galloway's stated numbers or even close to it. It's awfully quiet out there re folks chiming in with their pull numbers. If the numbers don't come close to the "3.5 to 4.5", then someone needs to change their product advertising. Just like Apex is a good company, many people have been happy with Galloway and the products they provide.

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I just purchased another little handgun that I won't mention the name of since this is a Smith and Wesson site, and it has a hammer and shoots double or single action. Single action is so smooth, and it is in the 3.5 to 4.5 range.
Is that a SAR B6 Compact, by any chance? It's OK to discuss other guns here!
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I have two SD40VE both with Apex kits installed. Didn't measure the trigger press beforehand. Using a Lyman Digital Trigger Pull Scale, I got the following (average of 5 presses):

SD40VE #1 - 6 lbs 8 oz
SD40VE #2 - 6 lbs 6 oz.
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I'm getting 5.5-5.75lb pulls with the Apex kit.
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modern pistols with a firing pin block safety do not have the issue of discharging when dropped. That said, unless your internals are broken, or your finger (or other object snags it) is on the trigger, it won't fire.

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I installed a Galloway spring kit in my sd40ve. I followed the video on there site for the install, which I found was not to hard to complete. The trigger pull I had before the kit was 7.9lbs. After the Galloway trigger kit it was lowered to 5.2lbs. Took it out to the range and am very happy with the pull. Its still heavyer than my m&p shield but way better than before. For 30$ and a three day waiting for it to arrive time, it was worthwhile. I recommend Galloway.
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Austin...Glad to see that you got a 5.2. I'm still waiting for someone to post that has the advertised "3.5 to 4" numbers.
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I have the older SW40F. The sear block has only 1 spring in there. Must have come from the factory that way as the pins are staked. How do i go about getting them out without hurting the block.
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sorry for reaping an old thread but has anyone used the apex kit and installed the galloway sear spring, they are selling it seprately now for $5 and i was thinking it might be worth it. being me pull is at 4lbs 12-14oz now i could onld only guess it would go around low 4's-high 3s range wich i would love. this is my range gun, not my EDC so no worries and im fairly competent with mechanics.
also any good/bad comments on their SS rod and springs? i was going to get the 20lbs (sd9VE) to outfit mine, as i think it would look better and match tge upcoming mag extensions from apex.
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Coming a little late to this party, but wanted to chime in anyway. I purchased 2 Galloway trigger kits just to play with. Neither kit reduced trigger pull weight and neither improved the trigger in any way. I used different SD's had a buddy install a kit in his just to make sure I didn't do something wrong, etc., etc. The Galloway kit was essentially like replacing factory OEM parts with factory OEM parts. I wrote Galloway about the issue and they were pretty glib about it. Then I started playing and began combining the Galloway kit and the Apex kit to see what kind of franken-kit I could put together. When it was all said and done the best combination (hands down) was to put the Galloway springs back in their plastic bag and just use the Apex kit. IMO Galloway dropped the ball on this kit and really should pull them from their site. Advertising 5lbs when it cannot produce anything better than 7.5+ lbs is false advertising. They did offer to give me my money back, so I appreciate that.
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I forgot to mention (in all fairness) that I also purchased Galloway's extended take down levers and really like them. Just enough width to allow me to get a good grip. They don't seem to be quite as well finished as the extended levers I have purchased for my Glocks (Brownells & Lone Wolf), but they works just as well. A nice addition for people with large hands (or small hands).
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Is that Galloway sear spring by itself a good match with the Apex spring kit?

Also my Apex spring kit came with a trigger spring that had felt padding in it just like the factory spring trigger. The Apex tutorial video showed that their trigger spring did NOT have any felt in it which is why he filled it with lithium grease? Anyone care to shed light on this?
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Is that Galloway sear spring by itself a good match with the Apex spring kit?

Also my Apex spring kit came with a trigger spring that had felt padding in it just like the factory spring trigger. The Apex tutorial video showed that their trigger spring did NOT have any felt in it which is why he filled it with lithium grease? Anyone care to shed light on this?
The Apex video has an overlay (or a comment, forgot which) that says they now use a felt insert.
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The felt acts as a harmonic dampener to reduce spring fatigue S&W say's.
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Thanks for those replies. I'm glad I didn't just get a factory part from an aftermarket company. After the installation of both polymer trigger and spring kit. I'm happy. Even though I had to file the heck out of that trigger. The back of it looks real Mickey Mouse but it works. I'll make it look pretty later on. Still feels a bit spongy. Anyone know how to get rid of that?
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Thanks for those replies. I'm glad I didn't just get a factory part from an aftermarket company. After the installation of both polymer trigger and spring kit. I'm happy. Even though I had to file the heck out of that trigger. The back of it looks real Mickey Mouse but it works. I'll make it look pretty later on. Still feels a bit spongy. Anyone know how to get rid of that?
when you slowly pull the trigger does the right side of the poly frame push outward ?

If it does (which most do) the trigger arm is pushing on it sideways, not straight back as it should.

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when you slowly pull the trigger does the right side of the poly frame push outward ?

If it does (which most do) the trigger arm is pushing on it sideways, not straight back as it should.

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They all do that except for guns where the owner has bent the forward prong on the trigger bar inward to push the center instead of the edge of the striker blocker. That may affect the S&W warranty, don't know.

In my case I simply smoothed the outside of the trigger bar and put some grease between the bar and the frame. Solved the problem for me.

Keep in mind that there is a slight gap where the trigger bar pushes the sear and that can cause a sort of unusual feel at the beginning of trigger pull.
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He asked if anyone knew how to get rid of the spongy feeling in the trigger.

Since the trigger bar actually bends outward (spongy feeling) as you said, you have to bend stuff a little.

The trigger bar should be thicker and not bend or push outward when you pull the trigger trying to make it's way around the striker block.

They should have made it where the prong does go over the center of the striker block to begin with instead of rubbing and pushing on the frame which adds to a crappier trigger.

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I polished the right side of the trigger bar and it is very smooth without the slide attached. The sponginess occurs when I dry fire with the gun fully assembled. I haven't tried applying any grease to the trigger bar.

Should I slight bend it? Sounds scary.
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I polished the right side of the trigger bar and it is very smooth without the slide attached. The sponginess occurs when I dry fire with the gun fully assembled. I haven't tried applying any grease to the trigger bar.

Should I slight bend it? Sounds scary.
Pull the magazine out and look up into the slide. As you pull the trigger you will see the forward prong on the trigger bar push the striker blocker. It hits the blocker along one edge and is pushed towards the frame. S&W knows this and apparently doesn't consider it to be a problem.

Some folks bend that prong to align with the center of the blocker.

I don't bend mine because it would probably void the lifetime warranty. I just grease the side of the trigger bar instead.

Not sure what you mean by "spongy" so maybe you can describe it in more detail.

Remember that there is a slight gap where the rear of the trigger bar hits the sear system. You can observe that by pulling the trigger with the slide off. Is that what you are feeling?
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