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should i get a sd9ve or a sd40ve?
Just trying to see which one i should get the sd9ve or the sd40ve?
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07-19-2013, 12:03 AM
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The guns are virtually identical with the exception of caliber and magazine capacity. So you're really just deciding between a 9mm and a 40SW. I have the SD40VE because it is my house gun and it is intended for home defense. For target shooting, I use a M&P9Pro with a 4.25" barrel and it's got all the parts available from Apex except the trigger.
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Of the two, I don't care for .40 S&W. I find it snappish and I much prefer the 9mm for general shooting. If I wanted a bigger/heavier caliber, I'd opt for .45 ACP, which unfortunately isn't available in the SDVE series.
If you can, find someone who has a Glock 19 and 23...or rent them...they are pretty comparable to the SD pistols. (I'm assuming you won't find the SD pistols at a rental range.) See which one you like shooting the best.
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Decide which ammo is most readily available and fits your budget, how much power you need, how much recoil you want and if anyone beside yourself will be using it. I have several SD9 VE's but I plan on adding a .40 one of these days. My 9mm's have proven to be quite accurate, to me at least. My best groups are a hair under 3" for 10 shots offhand at 50 feet. You can't go wrong with either caliber.
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Love the 40, own it. The 40 is very snappy, agreed. Fun as heck to shoot!
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Get both You will be happy with the 40,I sure like mine.I haven't shot the sd9ve but as stated it's pretty much the same as the 40 and the 40 is great.Good luck.
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Get both You will be happy with the 40,I sure like mine.I haven't shot the sd9ve but as stated it's pretty much the same as the 40 and the 40 is great.Good luck.
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+1 on that!
If you have to pick one or the other, though? I don't know. The debate over 9mm vs. 40 is never ending (and also very enjoyable). In the end, does it really matter that much? Probably not. I will say this, though. Earlier this year, when 9mm ammo could not be found, I could always find 40.
Is 40 more expensive? Well, yes, but due to the "snappiness," you may find that you shoot fewer rounds, and things equal out. While the snappy part is a bit overblown, at least in my opinion, there is no question that 9mm is more comfortable to shoot. You get a bit more of a bang from 40's, though, so you may find that part more enjoyable.
I don't think you can go wrong with either gun.
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I'm no help. I liked my SD9VE so much that I bought a SD40 to go with it. The SD40 has taken residence in the bedside drawer due to the night sights.
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07-20-2013, 08:14 PM
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do like my sd 40. the more I shoot it the more I like it. Trigger pull is still too heavy in my opinion, but there are cures for that. Does make shooting smaller calibers easier , more accurate
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Decide which ammo is most readily available and fits your budget, how much power you need, how much recoil you want and if anyone beside yourself will be using it. I have several SD9 VE's but I plan on adding a .40 one of these days. My 9mm's have proven to be quite accurate, to me at least. My best groups are a hair under 3" for 10 shots offhand at 50 feet. You can't go wrong with either caliber.
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What he said along with this, what is the intended purpose; bedside, carry, truck gun, and who else will be shooting it. Younger or inexperienced shooters more than likely will not like a .40. If at all possible go shoot both with whoever would be shooting it also
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shoot both, which ever you are more comfortable with, buy that one.
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07-24-2013, 09:30 AM
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In my opinion.......
The 9mm will do everything you want it to at a lower price on ammo. It generates less felt recoil, holds two more rounds, is more reliable in feeding thanks to the natural taper of the 9mm round and is easy to teach people new to shooting how to use it.
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Re. What should I get?
Get the 40! You only lose 2 rounds per mag! At my local shop, the ammo costs the same and is slightly more available.
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The 9mm will do everything you want it to at a lower price on ammo. It generates less felt recoil, holds two more rounds, is more reliable in feeding thanks to the natural taper of the 9mm round and is easy to teach people new to shooting how to use it.
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Actually the taper adds to the feeding problem, by nose diving.
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Actually the taper adds to the feeding problem, by nose diving.
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I have the 9 . What nose diving, what feeding problem ? I have ran any & every thing I can find & it spits them out as fast as I can feed it.
I have some wicked looking old hollow points that are flat nose & they run fine. This is a great gun.
Found this stuff real cheap 10.73 eat it right up.
Never shot the 40 but I am sure it is just as good.
I have shot the M&P 40c & 9c if I had it to do over I would get one of them.
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I work in a gun store and am asked this question regularly.
I personally own many pistols in 45 caliber.
I own 1 very good pistol in 9m.m. it is a FNS 9 , but that is unimportant.
I have no pistols in 40 S&W . The round is just too hot for defensive
use without hearing protection.
As I advise my students and customers , if one were to shoot
a 40 cal. pistol in close quarters, e.g. ; a car or hallway ,
the report would deafen you and possibly do permanent damage
to your hearing.
Shoot and practice with the most efficient caliber you can control
and enjoy shooting. And if you need to shoot for self defense
use standard velocity non +P ammunition.
Good luck
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It was stated that the 9mm feeds more reliably because of the natural taper of the round.
This of course is not true, the 9 tends to nosedive coming out of the mag because of the tapered case.
It will hit lower on the feed ramp as it enters the barrel.
A straight walled case won't nosedive coming out of the mag, like say the .40.
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I work in a gun store and am asked this question regularly.
I personally own many pistols in 45 caliber.
I own 1 very good pistol in 9m.m. it is a FNS 9 , but that is unimportant.
I have no pistols in 40 S&W . The round is just too hot for defensive
use without hearing protection.
As I advise my students and customers , if one were to shoot
a 40 cal. pistol in close quarters, e.g. ; a car or hallway ,
the report would deafen you and possibly do permanent damage
to your hearing.
Shoot and practice with the most efficient caliber you can control
and enjoy shooting. And if you need to shoot for self defense
use standard velocity non +P ammunition.
Good luck
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OH DEAR, more gun shop nonsense.
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It was stated that the 9mm feeds more reliably because of the natural taper of the round.
This of course is not true, the 9 tends to nosedive coming out of the mag because of the tapered case.
It will hit lower on the feed ramp as it enters the barrel.
A straight walled case won't nosedive coming out of the mag, like say the .40.
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You said " the taper adds to the feeding problem, by nose diving "
I asked what Feeding problem ?
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It was stated that the 9mm feeds more reliably because of the natural taper of the round.
This of course is not true, the 9 tends to nosedive coming out of the mag because of the tapered case.
It will hit lower on the feed ramp as it enters the barrel.
A straight walled case won't nosedive coming out of the mag, like say the .40.
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Have you even studied the evolution of the 9mm Luger cartridge? It was intentionally designed that way because its daddy was a bottle necked case, the 7.65 Luger. Georg Luger and DWM purposely designed it that way in order to keep the positive attributes of the bottle necked case in the feeding cycle. That taper is not enough to cause low ramp strikes, but rather so it clears the top of the breech chamber. Straight walled cartridges tend to hit the top part of the chamber and jam at times. I wrote a thesis paper for College on the 9mm round as a Police Duty round. The .40 was coming out about that time and I did a comparison between it and the just born .357 Sig.
Allen is not speaking nonsense. The .40 round has more slide impulse, muzzle flash, more flip, and a louder report than the 9mm or .45. The only two in Police Service that rival the loud crack are the .357 SiG and the .357 Magnum. I have fired all of these rounds thru my career and trained many on the calibers. When it comes to a round that the vast majority can handle and hit accurately and fast with, it is the 9mm. Some people criticize the round for being weak, but it even outperforms some .40 , .45, and .357 SiG rounds. The 9mm 124 HST +P round by federal outperformed the others in a test demonstration provided by Safariland to a bunch of LE departments.
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No I did no study the evolution of the 9mm Luger.
Don't care if it was designed that way or not.
So we disagree on tapered vs straight walled cases ok.
I wrote a thesis paper also in college, on breast implants, some tend to nose dive while other's stick straight out.
As far as muzzle flash, more flip, and louder report, that depends on a heck of a lot of different things.
As in barrel length, weight of said gun, bullet weight and powder charge to name a few.
I have no problem with the 9mm but I like the .40 cal. better, ford vs chevy.
Have you ever looked at a decibel chart on handgun cartridges ?
But like I said above you can't just say the .40 has more muzzle flip ect.
compared to the 9mm.
There's wayyyy too many variables that can cause one to be louder or have more recoil than the other round.
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Hello everyone. Just joined the forum as I just purchased my first S & W. I couldn't pass on the SD 40. Academy had it on sale for 289. Question for the SD 40 shooters; is there a particular ammo the 40 likes more than others? Thanks
S&W SD 40 VE
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I would be willing to bet that it'll like .40 S&W better than 9MM, .357 SIG or .45 ACP
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40 is a ******* child.....extremely high pressure with the 40, less capacity than the 9mm, more expensive. Might as well get you a 10mm if you want to carry 40.
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40 is a ******* child.....extremely high pressure with the 40, less capacity than the 9mm, more expensive. Might as well get you a 10mm if you want to carry 40.
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Extremely high pressure, where did you get that from ?
Capacity, not by much, but the 9 does hold a couple more.
Bigger calibers are more expensive, usually.
10mm, now were getting some pressure going, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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OH DEAR, more gun shop nonsense.
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How about you shoot a round of 40 S&W with no hearing protection friend?
Oh , and a bit more gun shop nonsense ;
More 40 caliber pistols are traded in on other calibers than any other caliber I have seen.
Just an observation. Personal. From working and teaching out of a full service store
here in South Florida for a few years now.
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How about you shoot a round of 40 S&W with no hearing protection friend?
Oh , and a bit more gun shop nonsense ;
More 40 caliber pistols are traded in on other calibers than any other caliber I have seen.
Just an observation. Personal. From working and teaching out of a full service store
here in South Florida for a few years now.
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I did shoot my first .40 without ear protection on.
New gun, went right from shop to the range, outside by the way, shot a full mag. 14 rounds and had ringing in my ears for about 3 hrs.
Forgot my ear protection and that's the only time I've shot any handgun without ear protection.
The shop I work at in PA. has more 9's traded in than anything, but I think that's because their so popular.
They usually buy a .45 afterwards.
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I own a SD9VE ,love how accurate it fires.Works real smooth and not one jam.
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Just wondering . . . if you were in a close proximity shootout, would you rather go up against a 9mm or a 40SW?
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Given the fact that the SDVE Series is for self-defense, best get the cartridge that works best for that job. While the 9mm, in certain loads that may or may not be readily available in all locations or in all markets, it seems best to go with the .40 S&W caliber, which is a better "stopper" even in ball-type loadings if you cannot find premium controlled expansion hollow points.
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Just wondering . . . if you were in a close proximity shootout, would you rather go up against a 9mm or a 40SW?
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I think of it in a slightly different way, If I had to be in a close quarter shoot out, which would I rather HAVE in hand, a 9mm or .40?
By the way, I got the .40 back when Prince Andy here in NY placed a restriction on magazine capacity to 7 rounds! I figured if I am only get 7 rounds I rather have the extra stopping power. Nothing against the 9 Parabellum but what is the point of carrying a gun with greater mag capacity but prevented from doing so. Heck, I have even thought of getting a .45 to get the "most" from each shot (and supposed hit). No wasted mag capacity.
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Just wondering . . . if you were in a close proximity shootout, would you rather go up against a 9mm or a 40SW?
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It wouldn't matter to me. In close quarters, a deadly hit with a .40s&w would most definitely still be a deadly hit with a 9mm if quality defensive ammo was being used. Effective hits on target, notice I said hits as in plural, are what stops an attack, not caliber.
I choose 9mm as my handgun caliber of choice. Shot timers don't lie, and I can put 4 hits on target with a 9mm as fast if not faster than 3 hits on target with .40s&w. Ymmv......
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