Here goes; in my humble opinion, the trigger on the Sigma was thee most overblown BS on the internet for years! The comments were repeated more times than the sun rising in the morning. It gave status to the cry babies, made them sound knowledgeable (not to those of us who knew better), as they blogged away in forum after forum.

I had hope it would be put to rest with the advent of the SD, but contrary to my hopes, it didn't. The majority of all the recent posts in this section are about modifying the SD trigger. What takes the cake, people are planning mods before they even get the gun or shoot the gun based on reading all this stuff!

Why buy this gun in the first place if it's not right for you? There are plenty of guns to choose from that have easier triggers.

The SD is easy to shoot.

OK, hammer away! LOL!

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I have the 40 kick like an old mule but I like it that way.

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It's up to every man to chose what he wants to do with his guns, of course, but if I was going to buy a gun to tinker with and customize, I'd pick a Glock or a 1911...aftermarket accessories abound for them.

The SDVE was designed as a no-frills, basic, SELF DEFENSE weapon that functions reliably and well out of the box...it's not a target pistol. The trigger isn't like the trigger on a 1911, but it wasn't designed to be. It is actually lighter and smoother than the DA pull on many revolvers I have owned, as well as some DA/SA pistols (like SIGs and Ruger P-series.) I like a heavier trigger pull on a pistol with no external safety...that IS the safety. (That, and me, of course.)

While a lot of people have successfully modified their SDVEs, there are a number of people who have malfunctions after so doing...and, once modified, the lifetime warranty is invalidated. Some mods, like changing the sights, guide rod assembly, and take down lever won't affect the warranty...and the guide rod and take down lever are easily reversible should a problem arise, necessitating a trip to S&W.

Personally, I won't mess with the fire control group on the SDVE series. I've considered it, but if I want a gun with a "better" trigger (subjective definition) then I'll buy one designed that way. If you are focused on the trigger, there is no gun better than a 1911, IMO.

Of course, all this is just my opinion, which when paired up with a few dollars might get you a cup of coffee at a Starbucks. No muffins or anything else, though.

I agree with your assessment of the S&W SD9VE. I liked my first gun so well I bought a duplicate to keep it company. They both remain box stock.

It never ceases to amaze me at the folks who'll be perfectly happy with a 12-15 lb. double action revolver trigger but gag on at an 8 lb. defensive semiauto's trigger.

In my opinion these guns are the 21st century equivalent of the 1899 M&P (Ne Model 10). The bread and butter gun of which S&W sold over 6 million copies of since it's introduction.

It's simplicity of operation is laudable, it's reliability remarkable...and it's accurate to boot.

"Muck" with it if you must, but it's good to ride the river with just as it comes from the factory.

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Despite seeing all the negative post about the trigger. I bought an sd40ve. Took it to the range and broke it in , straight out of the box no changes. After i shot 100 rounds through it i thought to myself "what the hell is wrong with the trigger?" Now if I can just find a new rear sight" I mean really a plastic sight. one of the best firearms i have ever used straight out of the box. The more i shoot it the better it gets. After a few hundred rounds i do not even notice the heavy trigger pull anymore, and it seems to get smoother with every pull. If anyone wants to know a stock m&p rear sight fits it perfectly. 16 dollars on midway

There are so many reviews about the SD9VE.
Even TTAG said it was a great pistol, but
Least Favorite Feature

That nasty-*** trigger. Get if fixed before you fire the first shot.

So naturally I left mine stock.
It isn't my fave, but I enjoy shooting it. Really good firearm that saved me some money for a spare.

The heavy long trigger of my SW9VE has made me into a great shot. It will be frustrating at first but keep working on getter better on it and you will be amazed at how good of a shot that long heavy trigger will make you. After shooting that pistol for a while and than switching to a glock i thought i was a heck of a shot

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I chose the SD for 2 reasons. I could afford it and 40 ammo was plentiful. As for the trigger I have had a tendon graft from my left foot to my index finger in my right hand. It was physically painful to shoot with the factory trigger so I found Apex and bought the trigger carry and duty kit. I was extremely happy with the results and had no other plans to change it.

Then Apex tactical offered to let a few of us test their magazine extensions and I just happened to be selected. Included with the extensions was their new trigger. That is how mine ended up the way it is.

When I was searching for my first pistol there were 2 to choose from, the SIG SP2022 and the SD9VE. The latter won because of the price tag.
I really don't mind the stock trigger but when I was chosen by Apex to test their mag extensions I changed the springs and trigger that they send me with it to give it a try. I could have got used to the long, heavy trigger pull but I liked the lighter trigger pull with reduced pre- and eliminated over travel better.
I still have to practice on my marksmanship and get rid of the habit of anticipating what makes me shoot low and left, but that's a different story.
I really love my SD and agree that the stock trigger is not as bad as many say.

clean and crisp. added AET and apex pring kit to mine. also galloway SS guiderod. shot great out of box. now shoots like a champ

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I purchased a SD9VE in December 2013 @ Cabelas for a great price. I've kept it box stock and love everything about. It will eat any 9mm ammo input into it. Shoots accurate and fits my hand to a tee. Great gun, I highly recommend to any one to give it serious consideration should you be looking for a self defense weapon.

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You just got your first like!

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Thank you lee jack for the welcome. Been reading the forums since I purchased the SD9VE. I like all the great commenters and info pasted on.

Owned several hand guns back in the early 70's but as kids came along I decided to sell them all off (S&W 32, Walther P38, & a PPK) and only kept one
Marlin Glenfield Model 60 rifle with the squirrel handle.

Recently the shooting sports have brought me back to owning several new guns. Nothing is more fun than a day at the range or out hunting game. Also since michigan is now a right to carry state, I'm pursuing my CPL.

I'm just curious...why was there only two, and only these two? They are very different pistols, and a fairly different price range (at least around here, the SP2022 sells for about $450 and the SDVEs sell for about $320.)

I have a sw9f (one of the first that caused the "lawsuit") bought new, so I have had it longer than most. I knew going in to it that it was DAO but I already had a M27 and 629 so I went with SW not Glock. Ok with that already stated:
The trigger on mine was over 10lbs. I say over because I have a trigger scale that goes to 10lbs and it topped out and took a firm jerk to finally release the trigger (yes i know how to use it and got the same results many times), Heavy is one thing, but mine was gritty and that was after 1000's of rounds. As soon as the Apex spring kit came out I put one in and it worked; so an over 10lbs and gritty to 6.4lbs and way way smoother trigger travel. It is not and never will be a 1911 single action trigger pull. I still shoot and love my gunsmith worked 1911 trigger @3.2lbs. I also now love my sw9f a lot more with a 6lb pull; IMO over 10lb is too heavy.

I'd have to agree with you on that. I once owned a SW version, and didn't like it primarily because of the trigger. Once the SD pistols came out, and then later the SDVE line, I was much happier with the trigger. I don't have a trigger pull gauge, other than my finger, but I'd guess my SDVE triggers are a little less than 8 pounds.

Would I like it if they were designed with a bit lighter trigger...say 6 pounds? Sure. It's just not worth it to me to modify the fire control group, though, and risk other issues (including losing the warranty)...but that's my decision, and each man has to decide what he wants to do with his guns for his own comfort/use.

What's wrong with the Sigma trigger? Mines fine, played a bit with some springs, a little polishing, lots of shooting including IDPA, quityerbitchin'

It's perception. Some like the trigger, a lot dont. I love recoil. On Monday I shot my Mosin Nagant carbine and my Enfield 303 all day. Totaled a few hundred rounds. Others think 223 is too hard and go out to buy a rubber pad.

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Being that I had an temp assignment back in 2002 with SIG Sauer in Germany I always wanted a SIG. The Classic P-Series were too far out of my budget so that made me try the SP2022 at a local range. Love the DA/SA trigger system.

And for the second Smith & Wesson has an international recognized reputation for high quality, just like SIG (besides others for sure).

I don't like Glocks, even though they are for sure great pistols, but just not for me (have their Austrian Army Knive though - great allround outdoor knive).

In march this year while shopping for my wife's and my ccw we tried the M&P 9C and .40C and the P239. Wifey liked the Sig best so I found one in .40 for her and came across a CPO P229SAS in .40 for me. I will keep the SD9VE as a nightstand gun because the SIGs got no rails.

I still have some other guns on my whishlist but have to do my research which one to get while accumulating the neccesary funds.

SIGs are indeed very good guns...I've owned several, including a P229 9mm, a P228 9mm, a P220 .45, a P239 9mm, a P238, a P232, and a SP2022 9mm. I like the DA/SA action (I've also owned a couple of other DA/SA pistols, including Berettas, H&Ks, and Ruger P-series), but I finally decided to standardize on two types of weapons: 1911s and striker-fired, polymer-framed 9mms.

Picked one up a couple of days ago, have been eyeballing them for awhile. Picked it up for $250 with a 10 round mag and a 16 round mag with it. Good shape but very dirty. Have gone through it and cleaned it all up. I like the way it tore down like a Glock. Nice feel in the hand and seems well balanced. Trigger seems to be somewhat long and heavy, but I believe I will leave it that way until I get a chance to get to the range and try it out and see how it shoots. I think for the money it will be a good gun to knock around with and not worry about dinging it or roughing it up. Will let you guys know how it shoots when I get a chance to shoot it.

I agree, brother. It's like buying a subcompact car, then b*tching and moaning that it only fits 4 comfortably, and not six. You knew this ahead of time, Einstein!

Spot on.

I put a Packmayer sleeve on my SD 40 and after about a year installed an Apex trigger kit (it really didn't lighten the trigger but did smooth it). The SD feels great, shoots great takedown is easy and it eats anything I feed it. Based on price I don't know it's not the best bargain going.

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Here's one to screw with everyone's minds: I prefer the Apex AET trigger with the stock springs. To me it feels possibly a tiny bit heavier but breaks much more crisply, stacks slightly and smoothly and with around the same travel. I shot the stock for a year and thought that was just fine, though. I just got the AET on a cheap buy whim and was surprised

I can't keep quiet anymore either.
I like my SD40VE a lot. The advantage to me is adding upgrades that I like and not spending a fortune to outfit a pistol the way I like it. Just because one likes to improve their pistol doesn't mean their bitching about the gun the way it comes.

For less than the price of a block I have nice pistol with night sights, trigger spring kit, stainless steel guide rod and factory trigger and stick-on rubber grips from tractiongrips.com.

But I guess anyone who puts night sights on their gun is bitching about the gun.

Or if you duracoat it, your bitchin about the gun.

Or if you put a nice set of rims on your car, your bitchin about the car the way it came. I don't buy it. But to each his own.

Now this internet meme about messing with the trigger and liability. I'd like someone, just one, to show me a single documented case of someone experiencing legal jeopardy by improving a trigger. (and not a "I heard".)
Anyone?? Bueller... Bueller... Bueller??

This trigger thing all really comes from one source and he has quite a niche. It has been circulated around so much some people think it comes from everywhere and is absolute fact, when it is really just one man's opinion.

And as far as voiding the warranty. If you have a problem and need to send it in, its no chore to re-install the factory parts and have it back in factory form in a half hour or less.

I suppose that purist's don't use reloads either as that would void the factory warranty also.

Tinking, I understand tinkering, I like to tinker. Nothing wrong with wanting to try and improve something after having tried it. I think the subject was folks planing a trigger job before ever firing the gun based on what they have read about the gritty 10 to 12 lb. long trigger pull.
Calling the Glock a block falls in that same line to me. I have shot a Glock did not feel at all like a block to me I was able to shoot it just fine.
For me , my SD9ve is just what I bought it for, a self-defense value enhanced fire arm. For that reason I don't want a light trigger. I don't think I will ever have to defend my family, home or self with it but the world we are in now seems to tell me I should be ready to, so for me I want the reliability I feel I have by leaving the weapon stock.

like mentioned earlier. i got my first SD40VE back in oct of last year, about the same time i joined the forums. i have been a glock guy for 10+ years. not quite a fanboy but preferred glocks. this SD40VE changed my mind about that, and i now have a SD40(not VE) a SD40VE (EDC) and a SD9VE. but back to the initial purchase of mt fist SD. i took it to the range directly from the LGS i was in, luckily the range was only about 15 feet as this is a shop/range setup. i fired 100 rounds out of the box. it went bang most of the time. had a few FTF and FTE. thats when i started reading up and google searching. its how i found here. recommending polishing seemed the solution. i broke out the dremmel and polish. since then no issues with FTF/FTE. yes it was COMPLETELY FINE OUT OF THE BOX. personally i wanted to make it "mine" so to speak. thats when i started upgrading. the trigger spring kit was #1. took the pull down some and made it appear more crisp. then i installed the guiderod. it brought the felt recoil of the 40 down a bit to a little more manageable. it sure kicked like a kangaroo but is much less now. i them got some night sights and apex trigger off a member here. got a good deal too. $50 for both. installed those. i wanted night sights because alot of time when searching for a fugitive i am working late night as thats when the scum of the earth is most active. night sights are a must for a carry gun for my purposes. i love the new trigger.in conclusion....

yes it was just fine out of the box. im not complaining about anything. i did what i wanted to to MY gun. would i recommend the upgrades. 100% yes. are the necessary? no. do they make it feel like a better gun that compares alot more to my glock than it did stock. yes. i can say for about $150 less after upgrades my SD has all the same features as my glock 23 now. and it shoots just as well. although my glock does have the 3.5 lb ghost trigger which is a monster. but thats another story for another forum.

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I think they suck, but I'm glad that people like them.
Seriously, my opinion doesn't matter one iota. I base my opinions on what I like. I don't really care what other people like.

I can't stand black licorice.
I do however, love Brussels Sprouts.

I am a unique flower.

i cant stand black licorice either. but i can drink jager like a fish lol. its my fave drink when i chose to drink, of course the guns go away when the booze comes out. i prefer to be a responsible gun owner

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leejack, even though I did modify mine, I do agree with what you are saying. I didn't really have a problem with the trigger pull myself but I did not care for the hinged trigger as a safety. That was my main reason for changing the trigger itself. I liked the blade safety on the Apex trigger better. JMO. But I decided the do the Apex spring kit since I was going to be in there already. I ran a couple hundred rounds through it before the mods and have run at least that many through it since and I do like the quicker reaction from the trigger better after the mods. I also like the reduced felt recoil of the SS guide rod and 20# spring. Out of all of the firearms I own, all are stock except for one rifle and it is a long shooter and was modified before I bought it from the original owner. So I do agree to each his own and do agree with people talking about modifying even before they have purchased or shot the firearm.

Don't get me wrong guys, this thread is just opinions and designed to generate good discussion.

I am happy for those who got positive improvements by modifying their SD or Sigma. Me, I like it just
the way it is, so far so good, no malfunctions of any kind.

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I bought my SW357V brand new and have never had problems with it and the trigger pull. I have not shot over 100 rounds through it in the 16 years of owning it. I carry it on a daily basis and like the heavy trigger to guard against accidental discharge which would make me fodder for anti-gun advocates.

I think that those that take anything they read on the internet seriously need to find a new hobby. If you make any decision in your life, no matter how big or small, based on what you read on the internet, your an idiot. I will continue to live my life based on my own personal experiences. My personal experience tells me that my stock SW9VE that I bough new years ago will keep up with my Sig 226, Sig 229, Glock 19, 1911...... I'll take practice and tens of thousands of rounds down range every year over internet opinion.

Opinions...are opinions. (Profound thought for the day.)

BINGO! We have a winner.

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leejack, if you could please everyone with one item it would be a very boring world.
As a saying goes "a hater gonna hate".
With that my first semi auto pistol was a first gen SD9, two things drew me to this pistol[

1st Price, I couldn't find a pistol in my price reange I liked
2nd It just felt comfortable

If I fell for the "in crowd" input I would have brougt a Glock, silly me I have a thing about buying American

Well...I wouldn't go that far. I don't think anyone is an idiot for doing research to help them make a decision. If someone just asks others to tell him what to buy and then buys what they tell him to buy, that's foolish...but, to ask for reviews and personal accounts of people who have actually owned the item you are considering, as PART of the decision making process, isn't foolish IMO.

You do have to do some filtering, because there are a lot of people on the internet spouting their expertise without any facts or personal experience...but the input of those who do have actual experience can be valuable. If 99 of 100 people have had actual problems with a product, chances are it's not a good buy. Of course, you might be that 1 in 100 person who is lucky and/or can make work what others can't. That's where your own personal judgement and willingness to take a risk comes into play.

A whole generation of shooters who have never shot revolvers fail to understand that a good reliable DA pull on a K frame was around 10 pounds, give or take, and it had a long trigger travel, compared to the pull on a Glock or M&P Auto.

The SIGMA, and the SWVE Series which followed, was meant to mimic the length and feel of the trigger on a Model 64, and it did so nicely. The reason was because the DAO K frame had been the popular LE sidearm prior to the introduction of the Glock.

The SDVE has a trigger pull that is still a longer trigger travel than a Glock or M&P, and maybe about the same as the NY-1 Glock trigger pull in weight. That means the SDVE has a longer and heavier trigger pull distance and weight than the M&P, which is much closer to the Glock in both length of trigger travel before release and weight.

Thus, I always say, please do not try to make the SWVE or the SDVE into something they are not. If you want a lighter trigger weight with a shorter length of travel, get a Glock or an M&P.

The SWVE and the SDVE are meant to be inexpensive, reliable and stock guns. Don't put extra money into questionable "improvements" to an SWVE or SDVE when it will not result in significant changes in performance.

I'll trade my Brussell sprouts for black liquorice

Jin in Iowa

I don't like either one!

Eight pounds? You must have gotten a really good SD. On my scale, my SD9 trigger measures at just over 32 lbs. I have measured the travel of the trigger at 3 1/8 inches.

Seriously no, but some days it seems that way.

I remember watching Hickok45's video on YouTube about the SD9VE, and he actually said more than once during the video that the trigger was "not bad." He's shot zillions of handguns over the years, and I think I trust his judgment.

I've shot my fair share as well, and I think the trigger is fine for it's intended purpose. It's not hard at all to shoot it well.

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I'm more than happy with the trigger on my wife's SD9-VE and won't be

changing it. I've read all the posts on different forums and it's never

been an issue for me. Considering the trigger is the safety the pull is fine

for me.

i have to agree i almost didnt get my sc9ve becuase of all the bs reviews i read. then found this forum and started reading, as for planing mods before purchase well... i didnt plan any before purchase tho i did research what could be done for the trigger because of the reviews it seemed to be the biggest issue. however i kept mine stock till it was fully broken in 1700 rounds i think... there abouts anyway as for shooting the gun it was just what it was posed to be outta the box a SD gun with a trigger for the only safety and still put up nice 4 to 6 inch groups... for 300 BUCKS lol
i mean really???? what more do they want?
Then i did the upgrades and well.... i wouldnt trade it for any gun made and still got less than 400 bucks in it. I got all i wanted an more

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I think its a fine gun. However, most people who are critical of it have unrealistic expectations of the gun. It's a $300 firearm. You get good capacity, 2 mags, lifetime warranty and generally a pretty darn reliable gun. At that price point there's not much else there that compares.

Once Glock, Sig, Springfield etc produce $300 guns in comparable calibers, I'd be happy to evaluate all of their shortcomings too.

In the meantime, I can live with the trigger.

It goes bang every time I pull the trigger, I can achieve good groupings with it at a reasonable distance...it serves it purpose well as a self defense pistol at a reasonable price.

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The more practice the better. To me, it's not difficult to get use to the trigger, it's not bad at all.

These internet discussions are usually centered around the trigger, but what should be pointed out more often is the fact that these guns are reliable and accurate!

Many of today's gun owners grew up on guns with a lighter and shorter trigger, and thus judge every gun on the the "lightness" of the trigger pull. I judge a gun against itself, does it meet my needs (they are what they are).

I still haven't seen anything at the $300 price point that will match these guns. You can spend more money and get a "better trigger" all day long. The beauty is, how much do you have to spend to get a more reliable gun?

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Sig's value line offering .....the..SP2022 in 9mm or .40SW...has a great trigger pull in my opinion....and my point of reference is shooting a 3913...but it is also $150 to $200 MORE than the SD smith.......now if you really want to talk about horrible triggers....and I am talking about the WORST I have ever experienced....was my buddies new Bodyguard 380 ...but that's for another discussion

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I had an 2022, and indeed a sweet trigger and a tack driver.

The takedown on the gun however, was ridiculous and the ergos just OK, the SD, simple and heavenly.

The more expensive Sig is a sweeter target gun, the SD gets the edge for the nightstand.

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I'll just stand pat on my belief that the SD9VE is the 21st Century S&W M-10.

An ergonomic, simple, robust, accurate "bread-n-butter" self defense gun...and at a great price point too!

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