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Old 02-12-2017, 12:45 AM
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My striker on my Smith & Wesson SD9 VE broke on the range 1 month and 6 days after I purchased it. I only got to shoot about 200 rounds with the gun, and I liked it very much until it stopped going bang bang
Sent a request for it to be fixed on the website, but not sure if I submitted the request To the proper department or persons.
I am hoping they send me a new striker and I do not have to mail in my gun and wait months, or have to pay extra for shipping and handling, for the repair .
Does anyone know if they would send you a striker, to fix it yourself? Or if you have to send the gun in to have it fixed?
This is the first gun I ever bought, and just got my CCW permit, I hope the problem gets fixed and it does not break again, is it common with this gun for the striker to break? I saw a lot of post of people with SD models having strikers break. I would like to get my wife and daughter a gun so they can get their CCW permits also, and was interested in other Smith and Wessons, but very disappointed that the gun broke so soon, kind of worried about buying more Smith and Wesson's if this is a common problem . I do not want my wife or daughter in a situation where they need to protect themselves and the gun breaks. My friends suggested Smith and Wesson but now I'm kind of regretting it because I will be without my gun until I can get it fixed, and I just signed up for a gun club that is going to start soon and have nothing to shoot with . 😕😡😩
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I can guarantee you this, S&W will not send you a striker to install into your pistol, on your own. Are you the original owner? Did you register the pistol with S&W when you bought it? I can almost bet my life on it that S&W will want it back to fix it on their own.
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Old 02-12-2017, 01:07 PM
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That experience wouldn't have instilled much faith in the gun for me either. Whether a fluke or not, I would pass on this model going forward and find a replacement. Not sure I could ever trust it again if using as CCW.
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I wouldn't worry, every major firearms manufacturer have turds every once in a while. If you have the receipt S&W should fix it for you, I would take the gun back to the place you bought it from. I had a new marlin xl7 that wouldn't fire, took it back to the place I bought it from and told them to take care of it.
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I had a SW9VE which has the same striker as the SD (I think). In the 200 rounds I fired it broke the striker two times. S&W sent me a fed-ex pickup label and it was picked up at my home and delivered back two weeks to my home. I can not trust it for anything other than a plinker. S&W was very nice and paid shipping both ways in each of the two times.
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Old 02-12-2017, 02:50 PM
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That is disheartening.
I called them and they sent me a complete striker assembly, had it 2 days.
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My striker on my Smith & Wesson SD9 VE broke on the range 1 month and 6 days after I purchased it. I only got to shoot about 200 rounds with the gun, and I liked it very much until it stopped going bang bang
Sent a request for it to be fixed on the website, but not sure if I submitted the request To the proper department or persons.
I am hoping they send me a new striker and I do not have to mail in my gun and wait months, or have to pay extra for shipping and handling, for the repair .
Does anyone know if they would send you a striker, to fix it yourself? Or if you have to send the gun in to have it fixed?
This is the first gun I ever bought, and just got my CCW permit, I hope the problem gets fixed and it does not break again, is it common with this gun for the striker to break? I saw a lot of post of people with SD models having strikers break. I would like to get my wife and daughter a gun so they can get their CCW permits also, and was interested in other Smith and Wessons, but very disappointed that the gun broke so soon, kind of worried about buying more Smith and Wesson's if this is a common problem . I do not want my wife or daughter in a situation where they need to protect themselves and the gun breaks. My friends suggested Smith and Wesson but now I'm kind of regretting it because I will be without my gun until I can get it fixed, and I just signed up for a gun club that is going to start soon and have nothing to shoot with . ������
First of all, pick up the phone and speak to a live person.

S&W doesn't seem to do well with email or internet inquiries if the reports around here are any indication.

Secondly, use the shipping label they will send you and let them fix it.

Thirdly, this is why everyone should have a twin to your match or carry gun, for times when your gun is down for repair or in the event it is used "for real" and it is "confiscated" as evidence. I read another thread just today where a person who apparently made a completely lawful self-defense shoot had his pistol confiscated despite the fact that he was not arrested. Whether it will be returned, and in what shape it will be remain to be seen.

If you cannot afford to buy a twin pistol, then at least order and keep on hand a complete striker assembly, and whatever other spare parts you might need.

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Old 02-12-2017, 07:53 PM
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Striker broke in less then 2 months 😕😥😩 Striker broke in less then 2 months 😕😥😩 Striker broke in less then 2 months 😕😥😩 Striker broke in less then 2 months 😕😥😩 Striker broke in less then 2 months 😕😥😩  
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I searched online and there is no place anywhere that you can buy a striker for this gun.
It really is going to impact my future purchases of firearms, probably not from Smith and Wesson. If this gun is going to break this quickly and in this manner, in which it broke, is very concerning. I used to be a CNC machinist, making aircraft and flying gas turbine castings, and the amount of the test that we used to put our parts through, makes me wonder how much testing and emphasis is put into quality parts by Smith and Wesson, or by their vendors. One of the big selling points was it was made in the United States in Springfield Massachusetts, I would like to buy American, but they need to do a better job testing their parts. Thank you all for your responses I am going to call Smith & Wesson tomorrow during business hours and hopefully get this problem solved. Went to a gun show today and already decided that my wife, and my daughters guns will not be Smith & Wesson . God bless America, because if we are producing these types of defensive products for our country, and our families protection, we will need all the help we can get.

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Old 02-13-2017, 11:16 AM
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while very disappointing you can google just about any striker fired pistol (Ruger, Glock, Tarus etc) and you will find many instances of broken strikers. I guess the part I don't like about the SD9VE is there aren't strikers available from aftermarket but you can get aftermarket for the M&P


Good luck and let us know how S&W treats you
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Old 02-13-2017, 12:02 PM
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All manufacturers will have some lemons. Cars, trains, computers, cell phones, TVs, tires, treadmills.... whatever. Look up any product and you'll find people who have had one type of problem or another.

It could have been just an issue with that striker. Get another and shoot the snot out of the gun. If it works great. If not, buy something else and move on. But just know that whatever else you may buy chances are it had problems too

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I can appreciate your hesitation at purchasing another S&W based on your recent experience. I have been a S&W owner since the late 1970s, and with the various Smiths that I purchased, I have only had two instances of being let down, and these were unique failures. On the Model 27 that I purchased used, after about 15 years of use, the extractor star separated from the extractor rod (it is my understanding that this was a rare failure). With the Model 57 that I purchased new, for some reason the cylinder just wouldn't open. With respect to the 57, S&W repaired the revolver on their dime, and had it back in under a month. Concerning my Model 27, my old time 'smith fixed it for about $30, when S&W quoted me over $300 for replacement parts and labor.

In my opinion, these were rare occurrences. Granted, these were steel guns, but I still trust the Smiths. I am jaded, I don't like nor trust polymer pistols with strikers. I lean towards traditional firing mechanisms in metal handguns. If I were you, I would give S&W a second chance, and try and older metal frame pistol or a revolver, I think that you will be happy with your decision.
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I'll second Arik's post.

I view the SD9 as being a budget model. They are fine for what they are, but I myself wouldn't ever choose to depend on any budget handgun for the very serious task of self-defense. I admire your desire to buy American and do so when I can, but when it comes to protecting my life and the lives of my family, I want the best tool for the job no matter where it's made.
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Old 02-14-2017, 12:44 AM
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I called Smith and Wesson today, and they emailed me a label for FedEx to ship my gun back, sent the gun back today . They said 5 to 6 weeks for repairs, hoping it doesn't take that long . At least I still have my A.R. 15 and trusted new England single shot shotgun for home defense. I think I am going to look for a different manufacturer for my wife and daughters concealed carry weapons. Going to try my best to still buy American . But most importantly I will have to take my wife and daughter to the gun range and let them try different guns that we can rent to see what they like best .
Thank you for all the feedback, hopefully when I get the gun back it works fine and I can still use it for my concealed carry in the winter, getting a thinner profile gun for summer defense. I really like the feel of the SD9 Smith & Wesson, Will have to do more research for higher, better quality guns, that are American-made. I guess if it comes down to it I can just open carry my A.R. 15 if we go someplace where I need the security of protection LOL. Just kidding I wouldn't carry my A.R. 15 unless there was a zombie outbreak, LOL
I had bone cancer 17 years ago, which required me to get a hip and thigh bone titanium prosthesis, in my left leg, so running is not a option for me in the face of danger, so I need something that I can stand my ground if threaten . Don't get me wrong I hope I never ever have to defend myself or my family, or innocent bystanders from a shooter, it is something I would not want to live with the rest of my life, but I don't think I could live a life if something happened to one of my loved ones again, and I was not prepared to at least try to protect them . After losing our son at 22 years old, ( he did not lose his life praying on innocent people, but made bad decisions, and was trouble with his life at the time of his demise), but I would not wish that on any parent, or loved one, no matter the circumstances. Sometimes you wish you could help your children or loved ones, even if they make mistakes, losing a loved one is the most terrible thing imaginable, especially your child.I do not believe there is anything heroic about taking anybody's life. They may deserve it, and it may be The hazards of the actions they take praying on innocent people, but A lot of people don't understand the hardship you can face with yourself, or the loved ones of the persons life you take.
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Too bad about your first experience. I've had a couple of problems with different brands, and realized I need backup guns for any gun type that I don't want to be without. An almost four month wait for a spring on my 9mm Shield, caused me to get two more CC pistols, and now the Shield is just for backup instead of my primary carry.

It took a fair amount of time before I learned enough about guns and myself to settle into something I was truly happy with.

Good luck to you and your family, and welcome to the forum.

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You might look at the PT111/140 G2 for your wife and daughter, lots of buzz on the internet and YouTube about them. It's not made in america but some good engineering went into the PT G2 series pistols by american firearms engineers. Taurus was bought out a year or two ago, the new owners immediately hired a number of very prominent engineers from Colt and some other american gun companies to redesign the PT series. Something to think about. Good luck on your SD.

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This is why you shoot guns regularly, to find a fault. In your case, it was a striker. In my case, it was a frame failure (or aftermarket recoil spring). With a new striker, all will be fine.

Likewise, I have a Beretta that failed after 75 rounds, or, what I like to call, in the middle of the first trip to the range. Recoil spring was *****. Called Beretta, got a new spring, and all is good. Didn't have to trash the gun on forums for my first posts...
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I'll second Arik's post.

I view the SD9 as being a budget model. They are fine for what they are, but I myself wouldn't ever choose to depend on any budget handgun for the very serious task of self-defense.
The SD series are competent and sufficient guns for self-defense.

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Taurus hasn't been bought by anyone. Their last major changes were when they bought Rossi in 1997. They didn't hire anyone from Colt unless maybe the janitor.

The reviews left on sites like Buds are mainly BS. Written by Taurus employees. If you look at reviews for every other firearm and compare it to Taurus reviews you'll see it's fake. It's the only gun to have over 300 reviews and not one single bad one. That's fake. Take a look at Palmetto State Armory. I clicked on a dozen different Glocks and got a total of 7 reviews. Several different M&Ps and had 22 reviews with 12 going to the M&P22.. One sig had 3 reviews. FN, one review, Ruger 380, 36 reviews. CZ 75 a whopping 4 reviews. But the PT 111 had a massive 205 review and ALL positive.

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I'm coming to the place that, for me, the new production stuff just isn't S&W as I understand it. JMO.
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This is why you shoot guns regularly, to find a fault. In your case, it was a striker. In my case, it was a frame failure (or aftermarket recoil spring). With a new striker, all will be fine.

Likewise, I have a Beretta that failed after 75 rounds, or, what I like to call, in the middle of the first trip to the range. Recoil spring was *****. Called Beretta, got a new spring, and all is good. Didn't have to trash the gun on forums for my first posts...
I didn't trash the gun on forms, I merely stated that I hope the new striker does not also fail . As a former CNC machinist I know that you can get a bad batch of parts if the metals are not up to spec, or treatment of the parts are not done properly, such as heat treating, inspection errors, etc...
Personally I like the gun, but I hope they did not get a bad batch of strikers from their supplier, or department, which should not have passed quality control. As A flying gas turbine machinist, we did not accept parts if they cannot pass quality control, and our company had a lot......, a lot of quality control, after every procedure done in the manufacturing of our products several pieces were inspected, if not all pieces were inspected. Also according to the forums a few people had problems with the strikers . If you are carrying a firearm for protection you do not want it to fail when you need it because of defective materials, this was not acceptable in the company which I worked for, because airplanes would crash, or turbine powered equipment could explode, meaning the difference between life and death . When people are relying on a product for their safety, or protection, extreme measures should be taken to make sure they pass quality control.
One person on these forms stated, they had four strikers fail and had to send their gun back for repairs each time. So it is not like I am the only one that experienced this problem with this part, hopefully they got a new manufacture for their strikers, or conducted better quality control to make sure they put in quality parts.
Also it was my first post because I only had the gun for one month, and only got to use it two times. Never having A Smith & Wesson before, it was the first time I went on the site. I wanted to see how you would go about getting the gun fixed, and if this was a common problem with the firearm, also too see how their customer service was with other customers that had issues that needed to be resolved .
No hard feelings I'm not trying to be rude, (or disrespect Smith and Wesson) I really do like the gun, I tried it out before I bought it and it is a good fit for me. I do agree with you that regardless of what product you buy, there will always be one or two bad apples just because that's the way life is LOL . I have tried other Smith & Wessons that I rented at the firing range when I tried this Gun, and also liked the way that one handled. I amlooking for a slimmer profiled gun for summertime conceal carry. For summer protection I am leaning more towards a revolver, just because where I live it is more likely to have close contact with more people in the summertime then during the cold winter's. I would also like my wife and daughter to get a revolver, but they want to get a semi automatic because it holds more rounds. My philosophy on revolvers is, that you can fire them while they are still concealed if you are attacked before you can pull your gun out of concealment, without jamming or stove piping. So if my wife or daughter are walking, or in a situation where they do not feel comfortable, they can put their hand on the gun and shoot through clothing or their purse at very close range and hit a threat point blank, and manage to hopefully get away from a attacker. Being disabled myself and having to use a cane to walk now, I am also leaning towards a revolver for my summer conceal carry for the same reason .
The only thing I could think that would be better than having to conceal carry, is to live in a society where people would respect each other, each other's personal space, property, and rights to move about freely. The chances of that happening though, are about as slim as, leprechauns riding unicorns over rainbows, delivering pots of gold, to the men and women that fight for this country's freedoms.
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There is a lot of personal philosophy in this gun thing. Everybody's thoughts being a little different, we end up with different solutions. The only thing that can really be wrong is that you don't practice, review, test, and rehearse the application of your personal philosophy. It has to work for you, and you have to have strategies to deal with the weaknesses (and capitalize on the strengths) of your particular approach and weapon choice.

The examples in this case being 1) do I trust S&W pistols? and 2) do I prefer a revolver to a pistol? Personally, I think SD's are reliable and trustworthy, but agree with the statement someone made earlier in this thread that you have to use them to test them for flaws and weaknesses. The Op's SD had a bad striker -- but that was revealed through use. The replacement striker is as reliable, or as prone to failure, as any other striker made by any other company.

When Sig started supplying M11's (P228/9's) to the government, they had a small number have frame problems. Knowing their reputation was on the line, they quickly started magnafluxing every M11 frame before providing it to the government, to pull out of the line any with hidden metallurgical problems. Great idea, but companies cannot do this for all of the guns they produce because it is too expensive. We have to find the flaws in our guns by shooting and testing them ourselves!

Which means shoot a bit, but not so much that you wear them out.

As for revolvers vs. pistols -- that's a Chevy vs. Ford, 9mm vs. .45 type of argument, about which there is a lot of good commentary on the web. Suffice it to say either can work in the self-defense role; know the threat, then have a philosophy for how to use the weapon you chose, and then build your tactics around that.
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You don't need to buy a Lamborghini, to get a safe, reliable ride.
Perhaps they are, but how much Police and Military use has it seen?

It could be argued that civilian self-defense simply doesn't rise to that level, but I feel much more confidant in a weapon that was deemed durable and realiable enough for police and military service, because I for sure would not want what happened to the OP happen to me in a life and death defense scenario.

My auto of choice is a Glock. Not exactly equivalent to a Lamborghini.
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But it still happens. Even with airplanes. A part thats meant to last 50000k hours breaks at 30000. There is no way to test for that. Otherwise every part would need to be tested to the point of wearing out. They could have tested your part but were 300 rounds shy of its breaking point. NOTHING IS GUARANTEED, NOTHING.

Absolutely every gun ever made has had problems in its manufacturing life. Even revolvers

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Doesn't matter.

Police & military purchases take into account MANY factors that have nothing to do with an individual's personal selection.

People have had broken strikers on Glocks, including police departments.
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It is important to note, too, that police many times carry a back up gun (BUG). It may use the same magazines as the primary (e.g., the Glock 19/26 combination) or may be something totally different, like a small revolver.

Military personnel rarely carry a pistol as a primary weapon, but often have a pistol as a backup to their primary (which may be a rifle or a crew-served weapon).

Both of these patterns of use recognize that you can be separated from your primary weapon, or the primary weapon can be broken or jam, so that having a backup is prudent.

As civilian users, we have to take this into account. Our primary weapon is usually going to be our only one; it is important to have one that we know works. Like I said before, there are a lot of valid choices, but I personally stay away from 1) small automatics and 2) cheap brands with bad reputations. The few guns in my private "collection" (a term which may dignify it too much) are all accurate and all have a history of reliability; all get shot regularly with the loads I would expect to use in self-defense situations. One of my pistols in a SD9.

So the debate about SD's -- are they reliable? -- is best answered by each person's own experience. Experience shooting hundreds of rounds. With today's semi-autos, I would not depend on a gun that has had any kind of issues in at least the last 500 rounds. YMMV.
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Ive never experienced this sort of failure in a Colt 1911, nor have I heard of one.

That's over the last 50 years or so.

I'm pretty skeptical about the Tupperware guns Smith turns out in great volume and at great speed.

They have great price points, but lack much of a track record for reliability over the long haul.

Quickly produced, high volume guns are more likely to be problematic.

Your choice: pay for quality or buy some uncertainty.

Probably better to have a gun that might not work than nothing at all.
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The Beretta 92 has had it's fair share of problems after being adopted by the U.S. military. My son is a marine officer and he prefers not to carry one, his comments about them are not nice. The 1911 design has been around for over a century, I don't of any police department ever adopting it as their side arm. The 1911 is one of the best selling pistols ever designed. Don't use the criteria for buying a pistol based on if it was ever adopted by the military or a police department. A lot of weapon systems the military procure is often times based on politics and logistics, the 92 and the 6.62/308 sniper rifles are perfect examples.

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The Beretta 92 has had it's fair share of problems after being adopted by the U.S. military. My son is a marine officer and he prefers not to carry one, his comments about them are not nice. The 1911 design has been around for over a century, I don't of any police department ever adopting it as their side arm. The 1911 is one of the best selling pistols ever designed. Don't use the criteria for buying a pistol based on if it was ever adopted by the military or a police department. A lot of weapon systems the military procure is often times based on politics and logistics, the 92 and the 6.62/308 sniper rifles are perfect examples.
A lot of those Berettas in service have been rebuilt several times. This is the same problem as the 1911 had. Many old guns worn out and fixed as needed. The gun itself is quite capable but nothing lasts forever. This is the reason for the new Sigs. Politics or not the military never picks weapons that are not capable of holding up to use. The Beretta had entered service in 1990. It's getting up to 30 years of use and I don't mean use like you and I use guns. The avg reliability of the Berettas in actual use is 17,500 rounds without stoppage. Most of these guns have extremely high round counts. They start to fail....It's what happens.

I would say that my criteria IS to buy based on military adaptation/acceptance. Because it shows that the gun IS capable. In 1987 the Navy experienced its first slide breakage at 30,000 rounds of high pressure MG ammo. There were two other guns that had the same issue at 30,000 rounds. Five guns had the issue at over 20,000 rounds. All shot with machine gun ammo.....much hotter than NATO ammo. In later testing 129 weapons were successfully fired to the 30,000 round mark. This was on top of the rounds these individual weapons had already fired. 
Four receivers were tested beyond the 30,000 round mark.  Failure occurred at 30,520 rounds, 36,988 rounds, 32,500 rounds, and 43,000 rounds.

Four slides were pushed beyond the 30,000 limit.  They averaged 75,250.

This criteria gives me a good idea of what I'm carrying and what to expect. As opposed to buying something that's never been tested outside of a few YouTube videos.

The 1911 has been around for a long time but I know of only one thats over 100k rounds with documented replacement parts. I'm not saying it's a bad design or a bad gun but being around for a century is NOT the same thing as hard use/lots of shooting.

By the way there are/were police departments that issued/allowed officers to carry a 1911. Albuquerque NM allowed it until recently. I've seen Vagas PD with 1911s.


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Doesn't matter.

Police & military purchases take into account MANY factors that have nothing to do with an individual's personal selection.

People have had broken strikers on Glocks, including police departments.
Reliability, quality and durability don't matter?

I don't know precisely what level of quality the SD is, but I do know it is priced much cheaper than the M&P and I have to assume there is a reason for that. Police do operate under a different directive than a civilian defender and that in itself can sometimes allow for differences in suitable weapons(i.e. snub or lower capacity weapon being acceptable as a primary, ), but otherwise there are no differences in the need for a high quality weapon.

A Glock or any firearm is by no means infallible, but a Glock has a very long and widespread track record of proven reliability, which a gun like the SD simply does not have. I myself would always choose to put my trust in the more proven weapon.
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The SD series are competent and sufficient guns for self-defense.

You don't need to buy a Lamborghini, to get a safe, reliable ride.
I agree with the first part, and I would add an "entry level" should still be reliable, and trouble free...Even just from a marketing sense, it's a companies reputation, and otherwise customers may never graduate from the entry. And we are talking about a firearm.

But I don't think I've ever seen a Lamborghini being praised for safety and reliability before.
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Ive never experienced this sort of failure in a Colt 1911, nor have I heard of one.

That's over the last 50 years or so.

I'm pretty skeptical about the Tupperware guns Smith turns out in great volume and at great speed.

They have great price points, but lack much of a track record for reliability over the long haul.

Quickly produced, high volume guns are more likely to be problematic.

Your choice: pay for quality or buy some uncertainty.

Probably better to have a gun that might not work than nothing at all.
Wow, I just had a flashback to 1990 when I bought my first Glock. It was the first "tupperware" gun anyone in my circle had seen. It was surely going to "blow up in my face", "melt", "bend", "snap in half", "wear out", "the only thing a plastic gun is for is to sneak onto airplanes".

I know, that's not what you meant, I'm just busting your chops a little because your post did bring back memories of the **** I took over that gun.
I've still got that gun and none of the above has happened, yet.

EDIT, Really, carp gets the star treatment? Isn't that sweet.

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But I don't think I've ever seen a Lamborghini being praised for safety and reliability before.
Hey, at least I didn't say "Jaguar"

You get the point, tho. Bottom line is the SD's are competent, and decent evolutions of the original Sigma of twenty years ago.

It's a tool, not an icon of masculinity.
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In all fairness, there's not a pistol, truck,
or food product that hasn't had some problems
at some point in time.

Edit: and in all accuracy, the recalls on that list were by Glock, not by
the various police agencies, for defective pistols. And there's many recalls
for other Glock models, besides those sold to the Indianapolis PD.

Would be a strange idea for a police department to "issue a recall" of
it's own duty weapons...recalling something you already possess, eh?

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Taurus hasn't been bought by anyone. Their last major changes were when they bought Rossi in 1997. They didn't hire anyone from Colt unless maybe the janitor.

The reviews left on sites like Buds are mainly BS. Written by Taurus employees. If you look at reviews for every other firearm and compare it to Taurus reviews you'll see it's fake. It's the only gun to have over 300 reviews and not one single bad one. That's fake. Take a look at Palmetto State Armory. I clicked on a dozen different Glocks and got a total of 7 reviews. Several different M&Ps and had 22 reviews with 12 going to the M&P22.. One sig had 3 reviews. FN, one review, Ruger 380, 36 reviews. CZ 75 a whopping 4 reviews. But the PT 111 had a massive 205 review and ALL positive.

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A Glock or any firearm is by no means infallible, but a Glock has a very long and widespread track record of proven reliability, which a gun like the SD simply does not have. I myself would always choose to put my trust in the more proven weapon.
Thousands of S&W SW9VE pistols (essentially a SD9VE) are serving in war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan. They were chosen by the US Army for issue to our partners because they are simple, inexpensive, and robust. I can find reference to five major contract buys and recall the total number was over 100,000 pistols. The SD design, which in fact is so close to the Glock design that S&W lost a lawsuit over it, and such that some parts are interchangeable between the two guns, is a fine pistol that has proven to be up to the task.
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Thousands of S&W SW9VE pistols (essentially a SD9VE) are serving in war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan. They were chosen by the US Army for issue to our partners because they are simple, inexpensive, and robust. I can find reference to five major contract buys and recall the total number was over 100,000 pistols. The SD design, which in fact is so close to the Glock design that S&W lost a lawsuit over it, and such that some parts are interchangeable between the two guns, is a fine pistol that has proven to be up to the task.
I believe S&W has to pay glock $9.00 for every SD they sell.
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Thousands of S&W SW9VE pistols (essentially a SD9VE) are serving in war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan. They were chosen by the US Army for issue to our partners because they are simple, inexpensive, and robust. I can find reference to five major contract buys and recall the total number was over 100,000 pistols. The SD design, which in fact is so close to the Glock design that S&W lost a lawsuit over it, and such that some parts are interchangeable between the two guns, is a fine pistol that has proven to be up to the task.
If pointing to use by 2nd and 3rd World countries makes you feel more confidant in it's quality, more power to you.

The Brazilian armed forces issues Taurus, but I would never recommend one for serious use.

I'll still stick with my 1st World, Tier one guns when it comes to defending the life of me and mine.

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1300 rounds and a **** ton of dry fires through my SD9 VE. No issues with any of it so far. I know that is nothing compared to some people with 10s of thousands of rounds through a gun with no issues, but the reputation of the SD9VE is pretty solid. If you are a tier one operator, then cool beans bro. If you are a tier mall operator, go ahead and play with your "gun" and stop trolling. Truth is the Sigma, SW, & SD series is a Glock Clone. It costs what the Glock is supposed to have cost and what it does cost when sold to a police dept. There are much better guns out there than both of these, but seriously guys, the glock is the Honda Civic of the gun world and the SD VE is the Toyota Corolla. Both as good as the other. But one has much better marketing.
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The U.S. Army, after extensive testing, recently chose the SIG P320 as their new sidearm. It is striker fired. I have two in 9mm, and they have been rock solid. Just an FYI.

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1300 rounds and a **** ton of dry fires through my SD9 VE. No issues with any of it so far. I know that is nothing compared to some people with 10s of thousands of rounds through a gun with no issues, but the reputation of the SD9VE is pretty solid. If you are a tier one operator, then cool beans bro. If you are a tier mall operator, go ahead and play with your "gun" and stop trolling. Truth is the Sigma, SW, & SD series is a Glock Clone. It costs what the Glock is supposed to have cost and what it does cost when sold to a police dept. There are much better guns out there than both of these, but seriously guys, the glock is the Honda Civic of the gun world and the SD VE is the Toyota Corolla. Both as good as the other. But one has much better marketing.
Like I said in my initial post, the SD is ok for what it is. If someone is on a tight budget and absolutely cannot afford anything, cool. However, if they can afford it, I recommend getting a better gun. It doesn't have to be a Glock, but to consider the SD equal in quality is nonsense IMO and I think most reputable instructors would agree. There are many great offerings from SIG, Beretta, HK, FN or even S&W's M&P. And clone doesn't mean equivalent. There are plenty of shady Glock copies. I'm not an "operator" and definitely not trolling, but I have been teaching LEO's, civilians and quite a few military personnel for nearly 3 decades. I try to help folks make informed, logical decisions. This is about choosing the best tools for the serious business of self-defense. None of it should be taken personally, yet you took it that way and responded with a uncivil post.

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The U.S. Army, after extensive testing, recently chose the SIG P320 as their new sidearm. It is striker fired. I have two in 9mm, and they have been rock solid. Just an FYI.

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The P320 has a great reputation and despite being a late addition to the ranks of striker-fired pistols "won" selection as the M17 against strong competition. And for a price to the US Army of $208.00 per pistol!
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Just for clarification, just where are the breaks in these strikers?

There have been posts about firing pins breaking because of dry firing on an empty chamber.

Are the breaks discussed on this thread happening at another location.
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If pointing to use by 2nd and 3rd World countries makes you feel more confidant in it's quality, more power to you.

The Brazilian armed forces issues Taurus, but I would never recommend one for serious use.

I'll still stick with my 1st World, Tier one guns when it comes to defending the life of me and mine.

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Originally the Brazilian army awarded a contract to beretta for 92 pistols, one stipulation was that the pistols had to be made in Brazil with Brazilian labor. After the contract was filled Beretta sold the tooling to Taurus, they manufacture pistols for the Brazilian army now.

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If pointing to use by 2nd and 3rd World countries makes you feel more confidant in it's quality, more power to you.


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Your spelling may vary as well, even if you're
feeling 'confident'.

It's amusing that you are criticizing a S&W pistol, on an S&W forum, and stating your pistol of choice is a Glock. Some might call you a troll.

However, you may be truly sincere and honestly desire to steer the OP away from the SD, to a Glock. On that basis, we'd have to accept your proposals as sincere also, the major one being that the Glocks have significant US LE use and (starting recently) by US military, and that this makes the Glock the best choice.
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I would say that my criteria IS to buy based on military adaptation/acceptance. Because it shows that the gun IS capable. In 1987 the Navy experienced its first slide breakage at 30,000 rounds of high pressure MG ammo. There were two other guns that had the same issue at 30,000 rounds. Five guns had the issue at over 20,000 rounds. All shot with machine gun ammo.....much hotter than NATO ammo. In later testing 129 weapons were successfully fired to the 30,000 round mark. This was on top of the rounds these individual weapons had already fired. 
Four receivers were tested beyond the 30,000 round mark.  Failure occurred at 30,520 rounds, 36,988 rounds, 32,500 rounds, and 43,000 rounds.

Four slides were pushed beyond the 30,000 limit.  They averaged 75,250.

This criteria gives me a good idea of what I'm carrying and what to expect. As opposed to buying something that's never been tested outside of a few YouTube videos.

The 1911 has been around for a long time but I know of only one thats over 100k rounds with documented replacement parts. I'm not saying it's a bad design or a bad gun but being around for a century is NOT the same thing as hard use/lots of shooting.

By the way there are/were police departments that issued/allowed officers to carry a 1911. Albuquerque NM allowed it until recently. I've seen Vagas PD with 1911s.


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The rumors about "high pressure machine gun ammo" breaking
Beretta slides are just that--rumors. AFA four slides failing, sure--but that wasn't *all* that failed.
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They weren't rumors. Documented

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I remember a military bid request from about a year ago and S&W was entering the finals. I forgot the date and details, for which I apologize.

Does anyone know the outcome?
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It's amusing that you are criticizing a S&W pistol, on an S&W forum, and stating your pistol of choice is a Glock. Some might call you a troll.

However, you may be truly sincere and honestly desire to steer the OP away from the SD, to a Glock. On that basis, we'd have to accept your proposals as sincere also, the major one being that the Glocks have significant US LE use and (starting recently) by US military, and that this makes the Glock the best choice.
I actually carry S&W revolvers more than anything else and you'll usually find me recommending them more than any other weapon. However, that doesn't mean I have to like and defend every revolver S&W produces. I think the bodyguard is a bad design and I would tell anyone to avoid it. Brand loyalty is nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

Guns are pretty much just tools to me and Glocks are simply the most proven and effective semi-automatics IMO. The M&P is a fine weapon as are many others, I just think Glock is still the best currently available. They aren't perfect by any means. If I determine something is better, I'd switch without hesitation or sentiment. If somebody doesn't like certain S&W guns or Glocks, I don't take it personally, but they should be able to provide valid reasons for their dislike.

I honestly would not choose the SD9 to defend the lives of me and mine, so it would be very insincere and hypocritical to approve of or recommend it to someone else when I feel it is not good enough for me.

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