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Old 06-11-2017, 04:22 AM
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Are you suggesting that one should stick with a gun that they can't shoot well? Doesn't sound like good advice to me. I really tried to shoot this pistol well and after about 5000 rounds I decided to try something else and what a difference that made.

Unfortunately I chose to buy a SD40 as my first handgun so I never realized how bad they really were because I had nothing to compare it to. When I traded (upgraded) to a 4006 I went from a 4ft grouping to a 5in at 7 yards! I honestly almost gave up on handguns because I thought I was just a terrible shot but now I actually enjoy going to the range. If someone doesn't feel comfortable or enjoy a particular gun I would suggest to try something else. I now have 20-25 handguns and I have never had the accuracy problem that I had with my SD40. On a positive note, out of all the rounds I fired through the SD I never had a single jam or failure of any kind.
If you are still getting a 5 inch group at 7 yards then yes you are a terrible shot. I would recommend you sell some of the dozen handguns you own and use those funds to buy cases of ammo for the one you like the best and master it before blaming a gun on your lack of skill. I promise you any modern computer designed, cnc manufactured handgun built today is mechanically more accurate then you are including the SD.
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Old 06-11-2017, 05:19 AM
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The concept of " why buy X , when you can get Y for $200 more ? " is a slippery slope . The SD fills a (very popular) niche at a particular price point .

If you think an SD has the Worst Ever trigger, obviously you haven't tried a Sigma .
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Old 06-11-2017, 06:16 AM
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If you are still getting a 5 inch group at 7 yards then yes you are a terrible shot. I would recommend you sell some of the dozen handguns you own and use those funds to buy cases of ammo for the one you Like the best and master it before blaming a gun on your lack of skill. I promise you any modern computer designed, cnc manufactured handgun built today is mechanically more accurate then you are including the SD.
No, the 5 inch group was the first magazine with my 4006 while I was still getting familiar with the new gun. I shoot better than 5 inch groups with a DA J frame.
You totally missed the point anyway, the SD is the ONLY gun that I could not get any kind of accuracy with so selling my other guns to buy ammo is not going to fix that.
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:31 AM
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A can of worms has opened with a 4'....let me repeat to make sure.....When I traded (upgraded) to a 4006 I went from a 4ft grouping to a 5in at 7 yards! Let me repeat that to be sure,,,,4FT?
I never shot my Phoenix Arms HP22 or my Cobra 380 that bad first time out of the box. A person could shoot better than that without sights!!! Did anyone else shoot your SD9VE and get that same result?
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Old 06-11-2017, 11:51 AM
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No, the 5 inch group was the first magazine with my 4006 while I was still getting familiar with the new gun. I shoot better than 5 inch groups with a DA J frame.
You totally missed the point anyway, the SD is the ONLY gun that I could not get any kind of accuracy with so selling my other guns to buy ammo is not going to fix that.
Either you are an exaggerator or a bad shot, Which is it? You went from a 4ft grouping with the SD to a 5 inch grouping with another pistol at 7 yards. If that is the case you would have been better off throwing the pistol then using it in it's intended purpose.

You missed the point, if you grouping is that bad then it is YOU and not the gun. Everyone else doesn't share your data. YOU are the only one who does. So seeing that your sample size is small and YOU are the only one who is getting these results a reasonable person would conclude the person pulling the trigger is the reason and not the gun unless the gun was manufactured incorrectly.
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Well I didn't get the tape measure out but it was really, really bad. I missed the silhouette 2-3 times out of a magazine. I wouldn't even call it a group because there honestly was no group. I do believe that I could have shot this pistol just as well without sights. But...

You are totally missing the point of my post which was a response to someone's suggestion to stick with a gun even if it doesn't work for them. I offered my own experience as an example of why that might not be good advice. Do these guns work for other people? Yes, thousands of people can shoot them and do so very well but I am not one of those people. I learned the hard way that some guns just don't work for certain people and I think it is irresponsible to suggest that they stick with a gun that doesn't work for them. I thought that if I just continued to practice I would get better but even after thousands of rounds it never happened.
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It isn't often that a gun throws bullets wildly, and in most cases the manufacturer will make it right. One Sigma is not an indictment of the entire line. It would have taken other problems than just a trigger to get 4 ft groups IMO. I have a Star built in 1947 with a pitted bore that shoots 1 to 2 inch groups at 10 yards.

Even smooth bore derringers are capable of better accuracy than that. The barrel would have had to have a serious flaw, unless the shooter was just a bad shot.

I had a CA Pitbull that would not group under 4 inches at ten yards. I could see an uneven rifling in the bore. I sent it back to CA, they replaced the barrel, and now it shoots under 3 inches. If it had a longer sight radius I could probably get it down to 2 inches. It has a nice pull for a revolver, but still probably heavier than the Sigma.
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Well I didn't get the tape measure out but it was really, really bad. I missed the silhouette 2-3 times out of a magazine. I wouldn't even call it a group because there honestly was no group. I do believe that I could have shot this pistol just as well without sights. But...

You are totally missing the point of my post which was a response to someone's suggestion to stick with a gun even if it doesn't work for them. I offered my own experience as an example of why that might not be good advice. Do these guns work for other people? Yes, thousands of people can shoot them and do so very well but I am not one of those people. I learned the hard way that some guns just don't work for certain people and I think it is irresponsible to suggest that they stick with a gun that doesn't work for them. I thought that if I just continued to practice I would get better but even after thousands of rounds it never happened.
I feel you. I bought the SD9VE first and shot it factory made. I got a great deal on a SA XDM 9mm a couple of weeks later and I shoot that one much better and with closer groupings. I have put in the Apex spring kit and while it made the trigger much better, i increased my accuracy only a little. I want to give it a chance, but I am leaning very much towards selling/trading for something else.
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I always read comments that say "Why doesn't S&W make a G-19 sized M&P?" and I think to myself, they already make a great pistol comparable to a G-19. It's called SD.

Ok, bring it Glock guys.

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Now I have an SW9VE with a 14 lb trigger pull.
The SD9VE, which replaced it in the S&W line runs about 9 lbs.
The pistol replaces the Model 10 (currently running about $620 new if you can find one) in the holsters of security guards, where the laws have been changed. FL did that a few years ago.
My choice in the low coast full or at least Glock 19 size 9mm was the Walther Creed, which has a great 5 1/2 lb trigger from a pre-cocked hammer. The Creed over the counter on sale locally was $339.99. The SD9VE $279.99 on sale. The full size SWaMPy 9mm was $399.99 on sale. Prices over the counter from ShootersJax.com in the last couple of months.
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What I wonder is how Smith has an American produced, polymer striker fired pistol that sells for $300 and the XD is made in Croatia and costs more.
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What I wonder is how Smith has an American produced, polymer striker fired pistol that sells for $300 and the XD is made in Croatia and costs more.
SA is a rip off outfit that supports gun control, as long as they can buy an exemption from the crooked politicians.

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Understand im not harvard educated but i suspect they still make it because it sells. I bought one, really like it and plan on buying 3 more in the next month.
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I'd guess that S&W believes it is selling SD's to people who are NOT in the market (yet) for their M&P's. They almost certainly make more profit on each M&P, but if the person is not in the market for a M&P, then it is still a good thing to make a profit on the SD. So my theory is that SD profit is not really "stealing" from their M&P profit. And, if you consider the SD an "entry" pistol, it is very possible that SD owners (if they like the product) may move up to an M&P later on.

Indeed, the SD may be selling in a market niche -- starter gun, truck gun, plinking gun, simple inexpensive gun that can get the job done -- that none of the other "Big Name" companies are competing in. The competition in the sub-$300 new pistol market is the Highpoint, Jimenez, etc. -- and in that bracket, the S&W name draws customers to the SD (and its quality, plus S&W's customer service, exceed those of the competition).

Adding to that, everything it takes to make SDs is "sunk," e.g., already paid for, so it is not like it is a new value proposition to consider. If they had to decide if to BEGIN production of SDs, so close in price to M&Ps, they might not be able or willing undertake it from scratch if they had to pay the start-up costs.

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. The SD is a quality pistol at a reasonable price; good value for the money; and it doesn't take away market share from the M&P -- it may even be considered to foster follow-on M&P sales to SD owners.
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