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After being ripped off twice losing my car gun. I'm considering a SD. I want something reliable but I also don't want to be out big bucks if I cross paths with another thief. I saw 9MM SD shipped to my FFL for only $244 in a spam email today. My preference though would be 40 cal but being a cheapskate I could live with a 9MM. Previously my car carried S&W revolvers but I'll be dammed before I give another valuable gun to a low-life animal again.

So without me cruising this forum anymore. Do any of you have any good or bad experience with the SD line of pistols you might share?? I'm aware the SD's triggers are nothing to brag about but having plenty of shooting experience with D/A triggers I can deal with it. THX in advance for any advice you may want to share.
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Iíve no reason to think you canít find an SD that works.

As you point out, their triggers are pretty bad.

My philosophy about sd guns is different: I use my best guns for that purpose: customized Colt 1911ís and Smith M 38ís.

I donít want to lose one, but I want my best shooting guns in a sd situation.

Perhaps you should give some thought to improving security for your vehicle.
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Of course it's reliable enough for a car gun. Far better question, IMO, is why need a car gun? Can you not legally carry?

Anything left in a car routinely is begging to be stolen. Depending on your state laws, a loaded handgun in your car puts friends or family members at legal risk of being in the car if they are not licensed to carry.

Just saying... with a handgun on me all the time, a car gun is a poor idea. (For me.)
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Jeez, 2 stolen guns now out in the street. smh

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The SD9VE I have is as reliable as any pistol I own,I got rid of a G19 when mine was broke in .I carry mine in the truck on coat wearing months,I NEVER leave it in the truck.
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Leaving a gun in a vehicle unsecured is like giving a gun to a kid looking to shoot someone. Added: Maybe you or me.
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They seem to be good guns, so Iím sure it would work fine.

I keep a surplus 9mm Star BM in my rig.

If someone steals it, it is the thiefís fault, not mine.
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I have a SD9VE 9mm with over 1600 rounds through it without any failures with any ammo I've used. You're right, the trigger is not as good as any of my other guns, but it's always been an accurate gun. It also has a good price tag.
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I think youíll be hard pressed to find a more reliable gun out there. These guns have been around for quite awhile, and are of a proven design. While the triggers are nothing to write home about in stock form, you can spend $20 and change on an Apex spring kit to make the triggers much more appealing.
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Deer rifles are for shooting deer.
Varmint rifles are for shooting varmints.
Target guns are for shooting targets.
Why do you want to shoot cars?
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Deer rifles are for shooting deer.
Varmint rifles are for shooting varmints.
Target guns are for shooting targets.
Why do you want to shoot cars?

No ankle guns for you.
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If I am carrying a side arm when I get in my vehicle, I can put it somewhere under a cloth or something while I'm in the car, and take it with me when I get out.
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My car gun for nearly ten years was a Sigma 40. When it became out of production, I put it away and started carrying a Hungarian Makarov as both car gun and carry weapon. The thing about car and carry guns is if your car is broken into, you don't want a high-dollar firearm there to be taken. Second, if you do use your firearm even in 100% justifiable circumstances, the gun is going to be confiscated for the duration of the investigation, which can be two years or more and if you have a gun-grabber probate judge, its unlikely they'll sign an order returning the firearm too you. Makarov's are great carry guns, they're effective and reliable in the ten-yard self-defense situation that most often occur. Beyond ten yards, you may or may not have an issue arguing self-defense, depending on how left-wing your county AG is. Makarovs cost around 250-bucks. Are hammer firing rather than striker firing. And use 9mm Mak which is equivalent to 9mm Parabellum in close-range personal defense. If the gun is stolen or taken after an SD event, you go to a gunshow and get another. Czech P-83's are also good choices for the same reason and are dirt cheap.
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Nothing wrong with the SD. Seems to me it'd be a pretty good truck gun (I'm currently using a Glock 26 for that). What I'd consider more carefully is how you store it . . .

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After being ripped off twice losing my car gun. I'm considering a SD. I want something reliable but I also don't want to be out big bucks if I cross paths with another thief. I saw 9MM SD shipped to my FFL for only $244 in a spam email today. My preference though would be 40 cal but being a cheapskate I could live with a 9MM. Previously my car carried S&W revolvers but I'll be dammed before I give another valuable gun to a low-life animal again.

So without me cruising this forum anymore. Do any of you have any good or bad experience with the SD line of pistols you might share?? I'm aware the SD's triggers are nothing to brag about but having plenty of shooting experience with D/A triggers I can deal with it. THX in advance for any advice you may want to share.
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I saw 9MM SD shipped to my FFL for only $244 in a spam email today.
That's a good price, if it includes shipping...but you still might have to pay a transfer fee, which might be $15 or so, depending on your FFL dealer, plus tax.

I don't know if there is one near you, but Academy Sports routinely stocks the SDVE series (9 and 40) and right now they have them for $289 (no transfer fee, but state tax) in the stores here. If you really want a 40, it might be worth the few extra dollars to get the one you want.

Are the SDVE pistols reliable? I've owned a few of them, and yes they are reliable. If yours isn't, S&W will fix it. The trigger is indeed heavier than most striker fired semi-autos, but not as heavy as most DA revolver pulls (in DA mode.) I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one, if I needed a great gun on a budget.

I'd also echo what others have said here...you might want to look into a better secure storage method for your car. While nothing will stop a determined thief who has the time and the tools, most smash and grab thieves have neither. You can get a good handgun safe for a lot less than a new pistol. Be aware that the tether that comes on some models can be easily cut with bolt cutters. Side cutters will cut them too, but it takes longer. I secure my handgun safe with a heavy chain and very good padlock...I had a hole drilled in the safe as near to the edge as I could get it, so that I could pass the shackle of the lock through the hole, and then attach the chain to the safe using the padlock...and the other end of the chain I lock to the seat frame post with another heavy duty padlock. This also helps prevent the safe being pried open, which can be done on most of the lesser expensive models. (I have to leave my gun in my car when we go somewhere where a gun cannot be legally carried, like to the doctor or hospital...which is becoming more frequent these days.)

There are inexpensive options for the SDVE series that I would recommend: a metal rear sight that fits the M&P 1.0 series pistols to replace the plastic rear sight (you will also need a set screw, which for some strange reason isn't included with the sight); an extended take down lever to make taking the pistol down easier; and a grip sleeve, although the newer models may have a better texture. I don't see the need for a stainless steel recoil spring or a trigger kit, but they are available if you want them. Of course, if you spend this much, you are fairly close to the price of a new M&P 2.0, which is a better pistol and won't need the upgrades I just mentioned.

Anyway, good luck with your next gun, whichever one you choose.
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People who have a propensity for leaving their gun(s) unattended in a car, allowing them to be stolen, shouldn't even be thinking about getting another "car gun".
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After being ripped off twice losing my car gun. I'm considering a SD. I want something reliable but I also don't want to be out big bucks if I cross paths with another thief. I saw 9MM SD shipped to my FFL for only $244 in a spam email today. My preference though would be 40 cal but being a cheapskate I could live with a 9MM. Previously my car carried S&W revolvers but I'll be dammed before I give another valuable gun to a low-life animal again.
So where can I get a "THIS CAR PROTECTED BY SMITH & WESSON" bumper stick like yours.
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People who have a propensity for leaving their gun(s) unattended in a car, allowing them to be stolen, shouldn't even be thinking about getting another "car gun".
Hard to argue with this logic. I seldom leave one of mine in the car but when I do it is in a gun vault cabled to the seat, and never overnight.
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To refer to internet expertise, this was the Jeep gun for this gentleman, he put a steel rear sight on it and then passed it to a needy relative. I note the SD series has the equivalent of the "New York City Police Department Glock 19 trigger" which is a good combat trigger, NOT a target trigger.
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People who have a propensity for leaving their gun(s) unattended in a car, allowing them to be stolen, shouldn't even be thinking about getting another "car gun".
I often have to travel impromptu so I don't have a lot of planning involved on my daily routine. Most of the time, I don't carry as I doubt I'll be in an SD situation at the grocery store in the middle of the day, at the hardware store, so on. However, I sometimes have to travel to south Atlanta and having it there where it can go into my pocket or come out quickly when my vehicle is approached is a profound peace of mind. Any of you that have been there will know precisely what I mean. I like to be left alone by strangers and people I share nothing in common with. My Mak lends to that.
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After being ripped off twice losing my car gun. I'm considering a SD. I want something reliable but I also don't want to be out big bucks if I cross paths with another thief. I saw 9MM SD shipped to my FFL for only $244 in a spam email today. My preference though would be 40 cal but being a cheapskate I could live with a 9MM. Previously my car carried S&W revolvers but I'll be dammed before I give another valuable gun to a low-life animal again.

So without me cruising this forum anymore. Do any of you have any good or bad experience with the SD line of pistols you might share?? I'm aware the SD's triggers are nothing to brag about but having plenty of shooting experience with D/A triggers I can deal with it. THX in advance for any advice you may want to share.
Personally, I don't leave a weapon in my car, unless it is a very short duration...like I have to go into the post office or something. If you are going to do this, and don't laugh, but I would use a Hi Point JHP (.45 ACP), or the JCP (.40 S&W). They are not expensive, and they work.

To answer your question though, there is no reason why the SD series can't be a good vehicle gun, or carry gun for that matter.
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...maybe not quite as refined as some, but they work fine. Definitely good for a 'car gun'. However, I agree with the other's, a car gun is asking to be broken in to.
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...I would use a Hi Point JHP (.45 ACP), or the JCP (.40 S&W). They are not expensive, and they work.
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They're called "holsters". They're great. The way it works is, you put on your pants, clip the holster with the gun on, and then buckle your belt. Then you sort of go about your day, and when you go to bed, just do the "on" process in reverse.

This confers many wonderful benefits:

(1) No need to pray on whether you're going to need it! You just have the gun with you! All the time! No more having to waste time each morning asking the deity of your choice whether today is the day somebody tries to cave in your head with a brick! No more wasting money on Tarot cards!

(2) No annoying bullet holes in your thigh/butt/junk! Because your gun stays in your holster, instead of going from the floor of your truck to your holster and back again all day, you can avoid a bunch of unnecessary gun-handling, and those annoying, unsightly gunshot scars on your thighs, buttocks, and genitalia! Also protects your truck's interior and upholstery!

(3) Save money by keeping your pistol in your care, custody, and control! Did you know that by the time your replace your stolen piece-of-junk el cheapo pistol twice, you could have bought a new Glock or used Sig Sauer? As an added bonus, the crackhead that keeps stealing your gun won't know which house to burglarize, keeping the rest of your guns, plus your family, safe!

Although if you really needed a reason other than "stop shooting yourself"...
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“You can get a good handgun safe for a lot less than a new pistol. Be aware that the tether that comes on some models can be easily cut with bolt cutters. Side cutters will cut them too, but it takes longer. I secure my handgun safe with a heavy chain and very good padlock...I had a hole drilled in the safe as near to the edge as I could get it, so that I could pass the shackle of the lock through the hole, and then attach the chain to the safe using the padlock...and the other end of the chain I lock to the seat frame post with another heavy duty padlock. This also helps prevent the safe being pried open, which can be done on most of the lesser expensive models. (I have to leave my gun in my car when we go somewhere where a gun cannot be “

How do you get to this gun if you need it?
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The SD9VE/40VEs are very reliable. Only issue I have with my SD9VE is not enough ammo when I go to the range.
Over about 2000 trouble free rounds through it. I improved the trigger with Apex parts (trigger & spring kit) and it's now as good as it can be.

AFAIK Arizona has constitutional carry, which means you don't need a license to carry your handgun no matter if it's concealed or open.
If you can legally own a gun, you can carry as well (check your state law to be sure).

Get a good holster and if you think you'll need your pistol, carry it on you.

Since I don't know when a SD situation will occur, I carry whenever and wherever I legal can (even in my home), just to be prepared.
I carry at least one spare mag as well, usually two.

IF I have to leave my pistol in the car due to legal limitations (entering a gun free zone) I lock it up in a little gun safe.
When I get back in the car the gun gets back on my hip.
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Why do you want to shoot cars?
Because, some cars need killin'.
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My car gun for nearly ten years was a Sigma 40. When it became out of production.
That is why I have 4- 40 F, and 3 40C. I bought and used them before any forum could tell me how bad they were. Granted a SW armorer "cleaned it up" for me. As for the SD's I have sold many, added APEX and night sights for customers, none have had any problem. I did have one Sigma 40F kaboom secondary to bad brass, and exactly at the same time my wife blew out the magazine and extractor on a new MP40 using the same ammo. No injuries. The extractor and mag catch on the M&P and a 1" piece of the left side of the frame came out of the Sigma.

To the OP I would find a more secure way of leaving the gun in the car if you continue to do it. Yes I realize the thread is 6+ months old. Be Safe,
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No ankle guns for you.
Kind of rules out appendix carry, too.

I no longer drive or own a car, but I never subscribed to the "truck gun" thing. When I left the vehicle the gun was on my person. My last car was broken into twice. They got a couple of CD's and a knife I had clipped to my sun visor. They didn't want my jumper cables or fire extinguisher.
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There are too many places that forbid CCW. Airports for non-security people come to mind. Some companies with DoD contracts also have restrictions. I was told some folks parked off site and hiked up the long driveway to work because a major aircraft engine manufacturer had rules.
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Who worked in a Government office on an Airport. Couldn't even leave it in the cars.
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