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Old 11-29-2020, 06:18 PM
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As I said in a previous thread, I was given a free 14rd SW40C/SW40VE magazine. Now, I'm fully wedded to GLOCK for all my striker fire needs (with a XD or two on the side as mistresses). But as you know, magazines are like little freedom seeds and when planted, they germinate and grow.

So how frakking crazy am I? Should I actually buy a Sigma? Yeah, a Sigma.... not the improved SD line but a actual SW40C or SW40VE Sigma.

I'm quasi stalking the guns online at the moment and the average selling price during the panic is about $350. Not bad, but not great either.

So, should I actually go through with it and snag one? Or should I be rational and sane and just trade the mag at my local pawnshop for another Beretta 96 mag from their parts bin?
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Old 11-29-2020, 06:43 PM
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I'd go for it. I have owned a Sigma SW9ve for over 10 years now. It's been a great little shooter. They're easy to work on and you can safely lighten up the trigger pull with minor changes to the sear springs. I recently installed a trigger stop to shorten the over travel.

Yeah, go for it.
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Old 11-30-2020, 03:18 PM
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Heck ya go for it....I have a SW40VE that always performs well. Try one in your hand and see how it fits.....I love the way it fits mine. I purchased mine new for Christmas in 2009 and still shoot it often at the range. Mine is original and really becomes smooth over time after the break in period.
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Old 11-30-2020, 03:23 PM
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Go for it. I found a SW40VE LNiB at my LGS for $199 last October which has since become my primary EDC. It's a great gun with the only downside being the trigger, but even then it's no big deal.

Also, the SD Series is just the Gen 4 Sigma Series which really only improved the trigger, but only by reducing the pull by about 2lbs. The most noticeable change to the SD Series was the aesthetics, which mostly just took styling cues from the M&P Series and applied them to the Sigma.

It's actually pretty funny that to this very day there are those who will argue vigorously that the SD totally isn't a Gen 4 Sigma, eventhough it has already been established that SD originally stood for "Sigma Delta" with Delta being the 4th letter in the Greek Alphabet as a more stylish name than "Sigma Gen 4" which still got the point across. They'll also argue that the SD is actually closer to the M&P in terms of design, citing the internal/external similarities between the M&P and SD, apparently ignorant of the fact that the M&P is based on the Sigma Series combined with elements of the SW99, ergo all of the similarities between the SD and M&P are shared with the Sigma as well.
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I bought one just for a universal carry, woods, Saturday gun but just could not stand the trigger. After an. Apex kit was installed (and that was a bear) I could have just bought a M&P with my total investment and would not have used language reserved for more serious situations.
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Skip it. Unless you want one of the worst triggers in handgun history pass on any Sigma. Spending hundreds of dollars to partner with a free magazine you got does not make any sense.
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Skip it. Unless you want one of the worst triggers in handgun history pass on any Sigma. Spending hundreds of dollars to partner with a free magazine you got does not make any sense.
Nah...my SW40F is an original Sigma, pre-Glock agreement.

With moving bits cleaned up and a trigger stop, it's closer
to a snapping icicle than any other striker type I've handled.

Got one of the SD9VE's, and it's not a bad trigger, tho not
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Old 12-01-2020, 02:09 PM
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Old 12-01-2020, 03:50 PM
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Skip it. Unless you want one of the worst triggers in handgun history pass on any Sigma. Spending hundreds of dollars to partner with a free magazine you got does not make any sense.
That's some excellent hyperbole there, unless you honestly think that the Sigma has "one of the worst triggers in handgun history" to which I can only conclude that you aren't particularly knowledgeable when it comes to handguns and their triggers.

Honestly, the Sigma's trigger is only 12lbs and isn't much worse than a DAO trigger on an untuned Revolver. "One of the worst triggers in handgun history" would be something along the lines of a an H&K VP70, with an 18lb trigger.
Heck, most double action triggers on rimfire revolvers make the Sigma's trigger seem downright wonderful.
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Sigma trigger 'problems' are IMO greatly exaggerated . Out of the box mine was 10 to 12 lbs and wasn't terribly gritty. I did do some light polishing on the sear and replaced a spring and it's now 7.5 to 8 lbs and smooth as silk.
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Nah...my SW40F is an original Sigma, pre-Glock agreement.

With moving bits cleaned up and a trigger stop, it's closer
to a snapping icicle than any other striker type I've handled.

Got one of the SD9VE's, and it's not a bad trigger, tho not
as nice as the SW40F.
I recently added a trigger stop to mine to shorten the over travel. Made a difference.
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I had a stainless w/grey frame in 357sig offered to me in a gun shop when I lived in Destin/Ft.Walton area. I really wish I would've grabbed it.
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I know a good trigger and a bad one when I encounter them. Sigmas, sds whatever incarnation do not have good stock triggers. I'm fine with a 10lb DA trigger pull on a 22 revolver but never on a striker fired semi auto. They are entry level pistols and not worth customizing to actually get a better trigger.

The OP is clearly questioning the motive to buy an entry level pistol with well known heavy gritty triggers just because he got one free magazine. Add in the insane prices for guns right now and IMO buying a low end gun because he has one magazine makes no sense at all.


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With moving bits cleaned up and a trigger stop, it's closer
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Got one of the SD9VE's, and it's not a bad trigger, tho not
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That's some excellent hyperbole there, unless you honestly think that the Sigma has "one of the worst triggers in handgun history" to which I can only conclude that you aren't particularly knowledgeable when it comes to handguns and their triggers.

Honestly, the Sigma's trigger is only 12lbs and isn't much worse than a DAO trigger on an untuned Revolver. "One of the worst triggers in handgun history" would be something along the lines of a an H&K VP70, with an 18lb trigger.
Heck, most double action triggers on rimfire revolvers make the Sigma's trigger seem downright wonderful.
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Buy one. Heck, buy two.
I would go for it.
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I have a SW40VE and although the trigger is heavy, with practice it is very accurate and feeds very well and the grip ergonomics are great! I bought this when the value enhanced was recent-maybe 15 years ago? Don't remember, don't really fire it much but should get it out soon and warm it up again....I have a bunch of pistols valued 3 and 4 times more than the sigma but that doesn't make it junk, it serves a purpose whether it is all maybe somebody can afford or maybe purchased out of curiosity (my reason) or maybe someone who is totally not an enthusiast yet needs a good hammer for things that go bump in the nite, this pistol can serve all of those well....and, it can also be the gun that some folks poo-poo to make themselves feel better about their $1000 pistol and justification for such. To me, a person needs no justification to want or just buy something to make life a little bit more interesting.... Buy a Sigma, and if ya don't like it, you can sell or trade it-no big financial loss either way...cheers!
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My $250 SW9VE had a double action revolver acceptable trigger when I bought it. I put an Apex trigger spring in it which lightened it a couple of pounds. It is very accurate when I do my part.
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My $250 SW9VE had a double action revolver acceptable trigger when I bought it. I put an Apex trigger spring in it which lightened it a couple of pounds. It is very accurate when I do my part.
My previous handgun experience prior to purchasing my SW9VE and 40VE was with revolvers. These semi autos have an acceptable trigger for a self defense weapon. I personally do not want a light trigger pull on a self defense gun in a possible very tense situation. To each his own I suppose.
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I have the S&W40VE and all I did was polish the seer smooth and install the Apex trigger. I don't want a 2# trigger pull in an SD gun either. Haven't shot it yet with new trigger but it feels good.
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Not sure who said they wanted a 2 pound trigger. I got mine from 12 to 7.5. I think it's still acceptable for a SD pistol. Hell, stock Glocks are less than that.

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Not sure who said they wanted a 2 pound trigger.
Was just figuratively saying. To the OP, I wouldn't buy a gun just because I have a magazine for it. Yet if you want a no nonsense handgun for SD then a SD?VE isn't a bad deal.
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