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Old 11-25-2007, 07:24 AM
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(Many of you already know this, but I thought others might want to read about it. )

Hi all,

S&W came out with their Sigma pistol in 1994 or so. It was a polymer-framed gun that bore an uncanny resemblance to the Glock pistol. In fact, one could put the slide of a Glock 19 on a S&W Sigma 9mm and fire the striker by pulling the trigger (a cop friend showed me, smirking, back in '94). Hmm. People called them "SWocks," back then. But they cost more than the Glocks of the day: IIRC, list on the initial Sigma was above $500 in '94 dollars, whereas the equivalent Glock ran right around $439 (list). The Sigmas had the 1911 grip angle, but, big deal. I remember picking a Sigma up and shaking my head, "Why would Smith want to make a polymer hunk of junk when their 3rd Gen guns are so nice?" The Sigmas did not have a good rep, to say the least. People complained of broken striker and extractors pretty often. Not many were sold. The onset of the AWB didn't help matters: who wanted a 9mm the size of a Glock 19 that carried only 10 rounds (it wasn't as if there were tons of pre-ban mags floating around on the market; this was a relatively recent introduction). Oh well, S&W was in bed with the Klintons, I thought: let them choke on their overpriced plastic Glock rip-offs.

I was further amused by what happened next to Smith & Klinton. Most of you probably know that Glock sued Smith for patent infringement, and that the whole fracas was settled in 1998. Glock (interestingly) dropped the "S&W" off the barrel markings on their .40 S&W guns (hmm ). Smith made some changes to their Sigmas (no more rectangular striker, some ergonomic changes), and introduced the 2nd Generation Sigma in 1998. At a much lower price - lower than Glocks, actually. With the AWB in place and no full-capacity magazines available, the world's reaction was another collective yawn. The reliability reports were greatly improved on the new guns, but no one bought them - again, who wants a full-sized 9mm with a 10-round capacity?

Well, thank God, the AWB sunsetted. (Who would have thought, really?) We all sighed with relief, and went back to buying Glock mags and AKs and ARs and every other danged thing we could cram tons of rounds into. And magazines, magazines, magazines.

Smith & Wesson continued to sell the Sigma, with indifferent results. The only people who bought them seemed to be people who didn't know any better - didn't everyone know that "Sigma" was practically synonymous with "junk"? The thing is, these reports kept popping up around the web: "I love my (second generation) Sigma! I don't know what you guys are talking about, but this thing works great! And it holds a lot of rounds, and it's cheap!" The US govt bought a number of Sigmas to send to the sandbox, to arm the friendly fuzzy-wuzzies. Nevertheless, those of us who "knew better" held our noses when these guns were mentioned. Gradually, though, we came to acknowledge that a LOT of people were pretty pleased with their 2nd Gen Sigmas.

When S&W brought out the M&P, they took great care to distance it from the Sigma. Some smart-alecs nevertheless called the M&P the "3rd Generation Sigma," while others insisted that the M&P was not at all like the Sigma. Their explanations for why not rang a bit hollow to me, though. The M&P has been widely regarded as a nice gun.

Meanwhile, S&W has been having a fire-sale on Sigmas - wholesale runs in the high $200s for the gun and two full-cap mags. Turns out that they are commonly found for sale new in the low $300s, and S&W has a current (1Nov07-8Jan08) deal where a new Sigma purchase entitles the purchaser to a $50 cash rebate and two additional full-capacity mags.

Well, a local dealer had a "Black Friday" sale with 2nd Gen 9mm Sigmas new with two 16-round mags for $289. I had a gun I'd been wanting to trade off, so I went over there with my friend Friday and made a swap. Came away with a green-framed SW9GVE, whatever the heck that means (the "G" stands for green), and a coupon for my $50 rebate and two additional 16-round mags. (I sent the coupon in immediately.)

The gun is the same size as a Glock 19, but with a 1911 grip-angle and a slightly thinner gripframe (the steel mags are thinner than a Glock's polymer mags - and hold one more round than the 19's). The trigger is smooth, unlike the Glock's, and wide. It's also a lot heavier: about 10-11 lbs compared to a Glock's 6 or 7. The pull feels better to me, though (and to my friend as well) with no "sproingy" finish - the Sigma feels very smooth, like a DAO S&W J-frame (complete with a hint of stacking at the end ). I was able to shoot 10-shot groups of under an inch with any ammo - I have to say that the seemingly bottomless magazine combines with the heavy trigger pull to weary me by the end of a magazine . . . my full-mag groups always wound up being 3 inches or more (at 10 yards). The gun digested everything from weak WWB ball to hot NATO ball to slow/heavy 147-gr JHPs to hot +P+ JHPs. There was one flaw - the piece behind the magazine floorplate (sort of the equivalent of the aftermarked Glock "plug" - this was one of the ergonomic improvements in the 2nd Gen Sigmas, I believe) kept falling out when the gun was held on this piece. I'll call S&W for a new one on Monday - but this didn't affect functionality in the least. Despite the cold range conditions, I actually liked shooting this gun - something I've never thought about a Glock.

This thing is almost exactly the size of a Glock 19, but it is a wee bit (.25" or so) taller (probably how they packed the extra round into the mag). It's also a wee bit thinner across the slide (about an eighth of an inch) - this actually aids in carry. Believe it or not, an eighth of an inch makes a noticeable difference in how the gun sits in your waistband.

Also, the Sigma's 1911 grip angle means that it points for me like my forefinger. (I read an interview with a S&W exec who laughingly described how the company spent a lot of money to determine the correct angle for the grip - only to find that it was what JMB intuitively knew back in the early years of the last century. ) A Glock's grip angle is subtly "off" for me (and for many others - it's a common complaint I hear about the gun). The Sigma was not as wearying to shoot as a similar Glock. My friend and I shot more than 200 rounds in the cold, and would have happily continued had we not needed to get some food; I have shot that many rounds in a Glock but never enjoyed doing so . . . in fact, I have often said how I never enjoy shooting a Glock . . . or an AR. I suspect a lot of our enjoyment of shooting the Sigma was because it pointed correctly: we were not constantly having to hold our wrist in the "wrong" position - something that takes concentration and wears one down.

The smooth DAO/revolver trigger feel of the Sigma is due to the MIM fire-control parts it has on board. When I first got the gun, I tore it down, and then pulled out my Glock PTOOMA manual to look at how similar it is to a Glock (very!). I noted, however, that the MIM fire-control parts in the Sigma did not need ANY polishing - quite different from the stamped fire-control parts in a Glock (I've done a couple of twenty-five-cent trigger jobs in my day). There were still some stamped parts, and they were rough and responded well to a brief application of the Dremel and Flitz. The resulting trigger pull felt almost exactly the same as that of a J-frame DAO revolver (including the slight stacking at the end of the pull, which my friend actually prefers as a sign that you're ready to fire). It was not as L - O - N - G as the (admittedly smooth) pull of a Kahr auto. The reset was not as short as on a Glock. The wide, smooth trigger made the heavy pull weight bearable, and made it not hurt. Frankly, this thing shoots like a revolver that just refuses to run dry.

My chrono crapped out (too cold) before I could chrono all the loads, but I got enough to realize that the 4" conventionally rifled barrel on this gun shoots "fast." (All at 5950' above sea level, 35 F.)

Winchester USA 115-gr ball: M 1205 fps/ES 86.12/SD 28.44 (10-shot string)
Winchester NATO 124-gr ball: M 1251/ES 36.63/SD 16.64
PMC 9a 115-gr ball: M 1284/ES 52.62/SD 23.55
Winchester white box 147-gr JHP: M 995.0/ES 38.51/SD14.24
Speer Gold Dot 147-gr JHP: M 1037/ES 52.35/SD 27.31







I'm pleased with this gun, as was my friend. I think it's a real value, particularly with the $50 rebate and the two additional full-cap magazines. If you're looking for a double-stack 9mm at a bargain price - maybe something to put away in case Hillary gets elected Queen - I think you'd do well to consider the Sigma.

A few more things . . . this gun has a definite "Yesterday's technology TODAY!" feel to it; it's a weird anachronism. There's no question that this is NOT a modern 2007 designed gun. And, unlike the brand-new Ruger SR9 (which seems to prove that no matter how well you market, an astonishingly bad trigger isn't going to help sales - and which just doesn't have the feel or grace of a modern M&P), it's not trying to be one. I want to be clear: the Sigma is sort of the hottest gun of 20 years ago re-engineered by the brightest engineers of 10 years ago. A great gun, a terrific value . . . but NOT the highest-speed/lowest-drag gun out there.

It's no S&W M&P. The Sigma slide is brutally chunky - heck, from the front the Sigma has an almost Soviet appearance to it. However, there are subtle 1998 enhancements to the slide that assist in shooting - a milled sighting rib draws the eye down the gun to the front sight. In the hand, even though it has enough ergonomic design to point very well, it's notably top-heavy and completely lacks the form-fitting grace of the M&P. I suspect it would give a user more perceived recoil than the M&P's lower-in-the-hand and thinner slide. (Still, we're talking about 9mm recoil here - don't ever get the idea that this gun is anything other than easy to shoot.) There are no ambi slide releases, no forward slide serrations, no ability to change the mag release around for the convenience of us southpaws. The first-generation light rail bar has an amusing look to it, seen with 2007 eyes (sort of like those silly laser sights they mounted on all the LAPD guns in the second Predator movie - looked high-tech at the time, but looks really clunky and silly to us today).

But, while there are some anachronisms for a new-in-2007 gun, the Sigma is no 2nd generation Glock, either, though - the Smith engineers really worked this one over in 1998. They were smart guys, and they got a lot of stuff really right. There are no silly finger grooves to try to press all shooters' hands into one glove size (so to speak). There is the aforementioned sighting rib milled into the slide, subtly drawing the eye to the front sight. The three-dot sights are superb: to me they were on the large side, but they could not catch on anything and allow fast acquisition and precise shot-placement. There's a "loaded chamber indicator," but it's that silly hole that S&W drills in the top of the barrel (one wonders how seriously they considered doing something similar down the side of the gripframe so the shooter could tell how many shots he had left ). The rounded trigger guard (you can tell this is not a Europistol - there's not room for a massive snowmobiling glove in there ) has less aggressive but well-placed serrations - one of the best implementations of this concept I've seen. The magazines have wedgelike forward protrusions on the floorplates which enable the shooter to rip them out of the magwell if necessary (for some reason, this was a major consideration in '98; it's not a bad one, even if it's somewhat fallen by the wayside) - even if he is wearing a massive snowmobiliing glove. And, like the Ruger SR9, the SW9GVE fits in most Glock 19 holsters (turns out to fit perfectly in my Mika IWB for my RAMI, too, just as my SIG-Sauer P239 does).
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Great review!

Must have missed you at Ron's Friday, didn't see any guns I couldn't live without, but did score 2 1/2 cases of cheap 16 gauge shells!
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Thanks. Sorry I missed you, amigo - I was out the door in 15 minutes. Good find on the shells!
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Welcome to the 1990s. What took you so long?

I bought my SW9VE to take advantage of cheap 9mm ammo prices. I liked it so much, I bought a SW40VE that evening. The SW9VE seems to always be in the bag on range trips.

If you've shot a DA revolver much, the Sigma trigger will be very familiar.

I happen to be a 1911 fan, read that the Sigma had the same grip angle, and the pistols point like my index finger.

It's not every day that you can pay so little for a reliable pistol that has a lifetime warranty.
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Very informative report - and from a guy I trust to "say it like it really is". You have me thinking maybe I ought to buy one of these - if for no other reason, so I can say I own a plastic gun. I can use it for my truck gun, and return my SIG P228 to the safe. Hmmmmm, I wonder if Academy is going to have them on sale before the "freebie" offer runs out.

Thanks, Erich, for taking the time to prepare your report.
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Great review. I have one because I didn't "know better" but since getting it, I have enjoyed it every time. So far, very dependable, no ftf's.
The heavy trigger for me is no big deal.
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Awesome review! Thanks Erich.
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Perfect timimg; thanks Eric.

I have the chance to pick one up used for $200, 4 mags, 400 rounds thru it, like new I'm told. Unfortunately, we're in MA so only 10 round mags.

I was on the fence, and signed on to find a review on it, and yours was right there! I shot the Ruger SR9 abd you are right on about that trigger. It was still gritty after my friend dry fired it 500 times.

Thanks again.
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Great post, Erich. Thank you very much. Regards, Jerry
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Thank you all for the kind words. I was quite surprised at how much I liked the gun, and I do think it's an especially good value.

By the way, the Boker Plus Trance (a Chad Los Banos design) pictured alongside the gun is another astonishingly good value. You can find these AUS 8 Taiwanese knives for around $26 - it's a wonderfully handy design with a great blade, and I don't mind using it given the cost.
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Nice review Erich...

But man... SOVIET???? THAT is COLD!

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In my opinion the ONLY thing wrong with the 9mm Sigma is the 'non-standard' accessory rail. I have to wonder just how much time and effort it would take S&W to change the mold to create an industry standard accessory rail. Maybe a day or so...
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Hey Scott there are normal capasity mags to be found here in Mass that work in the third gen Sigmas.. Made for the earlier model guns.Seeing as though they are S&W mags they are not cheap but they do work..Check your local shop or the next gun show..I got one that way..
The 9ve does great with lead bullets also,makes the 9mm even cheaper to shoot..
I have the Wolff steel guide rod and non captive recoil spring and a slightly reduced striker spring..Darn thing just runs like the Energiser Bunny,keeps going and going..
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Well written Erich. CDNN has the same $289 price and two mags. They also have some used ones for as low as 219.
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Erich,

I had an SW40E that I bought used. It was imported from Canada where some law enforcement group traded a bunch of them for Glocks. From what I was told, they didn't like the Sigmas. I really liked the gun and had it for a few years. Just recently, it became part of a trade for a Seecamp-modified Colt Combat Commander. The guy I traded with, said he originally was going to get rid of it, but started liking it and decided to keep it. Smart man.

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Ha! I eat hot peppers daily . . . nothing thermonuclear lately.
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Brother, you're right! I think I'll go get some now on some eggs for breakfast!

By the way, I called S&W about the frame plug falling out. They've got a new one in the mail to me.
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Hottest pepper I ever tasted was a Red Savina. I had an out of body experience with that one.

Anybody attempted to taste test the Naga Jolokia?
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Glad you finally bought one. My 40VE was the first smith I purchased and will be in the family for a long time.
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Hi Srigs,

I saw your comments on yours over at the M&P Forum. I'm really impressed at what a value this is - I mean, you can get into a brand-new fine-working hi-cap 9mm semiauto with four mags for far less than a used .38 Spl revolver. Wow. How do you not take that deal?

I've been reading folks' comments on my post on other boards over the last few days, and I note that S&W seems to have greatly improved the finish on a lot of the fire-control parts on the Sigma. There was a thread here that showed how to basically do the Glock 25 trigger job on a Sigma - the pics in that thread showed that a LOT of parts in his older Sigma really needed polishing. I found only two parts (both stamped) in mine that needed polishing - almost all of the rest were MIM and were so perfectly made that they were polished to a mirror finish.

They've obviously improved the Sigma. This current deal is a heckova deal.
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Picking my used "like new" Sigma, 4 mags, up on Friday for $190!!! Supposedly 400 rounds through it.

Thanks Bompa for the info on the high caps. I may carry the 10 with the shorter magazine, and get a full capacity or two as spares.

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Thanks Erich for your informative and exhaustive review. I bought my 40ve a couple of years ago. I bought it because of the price. I wanted something new and there it was. Also went for the 40 because I wanted something larger than a 9. This may have been a small mistake due to ammo prices, but oh well.

I love it. Trigger is stiff, but I think that is good in a DAO. A trigger job on mine would probably reduce it a little, but I haven't sprung for that yet. Accuracy is fine at short distances as you say. Although I can't seem to manage quite your results. I suspect that is not the gun's fault though.

There are a lot of people on this forum. Some you discount, some you take with a grain of salt, some you tend to believe, and a select few who when they write something you sit up and open your mind. I consider you to be in that last category. Thank you for this thread and your contribution to this forum.
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Gosh, Shaun, what a nice thing to say! Thanks!

I'm really itching to get back to the range with the Sigma. I want to try to chrono the rounds that I wasn't able to get done due to the cold messing my batteries up. I've seen that the Ranger 127-gr +P+ does 1350 fps out of a Glock 19, so I'm expecting at least 1300 out of the Sigma (which, as I mentioned, seems to shoot "fast").

And I'm eagerly awaiting the delivery of my extra mags and rebate check!
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Thanks for the review. Really enjoyed reading it.
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A very well written review. Thanks.

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Thanks to both of you - only one more day before I can get to the range to shoot it some more!
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I have always thought it was the best bargain out there for the money and a lifetime warranty.Now they have a rebate and free mags. I'm tempted to buy another in 40 cal. I have been very satisfied with the 9ve.
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Too windy for me to shoot today. I'm really itching to see what those +P+ rounds chrono at.
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Too windy for me to shoot today. I'm really itching to see what those +P+ rounds chrono at.
Come on up and shoot here in MN. We had 6 inches of snow yesterday.

I love shooting trap right after it snows
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All the snow we've gotten this year melted off w/i a couple of days. Kept the dust down at the range last weekend, though.
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I didn't have to go to the range, I could shoot skeet at the shingles flying off my roof yesterday.
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Hi Erich,
Nice detailed review, based with your wide-range of experience with handguns.
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Thanks, 586L-Frame! I really can't believe what a deal this seems to be.

Slim, I was up on the west face of the Sandias yesterday - pretty windy, all right. Bears didn't seem to mind, though - they're obviously not down for the winter yet (though judging from the scat piles they may be doing their bedtime toilette . My 3" Model 36 stoked with THE LOAD was a great carry gun for the conditions and the rock-climbing terrain.
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Any updates on this? Your review has really tempted me to pick up a Sigma, in spite of all the bad-mouthing I read about them.
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i think that was one of the best reviews i've read about the sigma. if you're looking to get one i'd say do it. i've had one since may and almost 1000 problem free rounds now i have no problems with mine. i got it as my first gun just to punch holes in some paper but if i could (damn california) i'd carry it everyday and trust my life with mine.
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No updates; it's been too nasty to get to the range. Thanks for the kind words, kpw001.
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What a great write-up! One of the best I've read in a long time and truer words have scarcely been written. As I have said before, I believe that the Sigma offers the best value of any handgun on the market today. People just have to understand what a Sigma really is and then they will begin to appreciate it more. It's just a great tool offered at an exceptional price. One day people will look back on 2007 and kick themselves for not buying one or two of them when the price was still hovering around $300.
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Great post on the Sigma! I dug my 9VE out of the locker and marveled again at the ergonomics. I also had the 40GVE but sold it to a friend. I just might have to go and buy another one.
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Gosh, guys, thanks! I mentioned the Sigma to a friend at work who's looking for a truck gun - just can't see how he can do better than this deal they're running.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:36 AM
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That review is better written, more useful & informative than the stuff you read in the $3.99 - $5.99 gun rags.

Good clear writing, no BS, the facts.

Thanks for taking the time to post it.

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Erich, great review. Solid information, clear and concise. Would that some of the gun magazine writers were so perceptive.

I was "gifted" with a SW40F awhile back. I had shot it once at the range before my friend gave it to me. It's a first model Sigma, and the first and only plastic gun I've ever shot.

Sighting the gun, I felt like I was looking down the deck of an aircraft carrier. It was so wide compared to the S&W 36s and 34s and .32 HEs I like and use so much.

But the sights are great. The rear sight give me enough room to quickly center and get my front sight on target.

Well, I put it in the safe, and have thought of getting rid of it. I've kept it only because it's the largest capacity handgun I have here in 10 Round Massachusetts.

Your review made me go to the safe and take the gun out. I have the original sales receipt for it from 94, and it was under 300 bucks then. It was and is an incredible bargain. Imagine, S&W quality with a lifetime guarantee at just above Hi-Point price.

I think I'll take it with me Sunday to the range, blow the dust off it and see what I can do.

Thanks for getting me excited about something I already own, instead of something I drool over and have to scrimp to buy.

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Old 12-13-2007, 11:45 AM
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Howdy,

Excellent article on the Sigmas. I recently bought a SW9M & SW40F(new) for $590.00. I think I got a good deal, since I'm into S&W's.
Will try to get to the range, before it snow again. Thanks again

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I bought a 40GVE back in September as my first pistol. I've been told that probably wasn't a wise decision for my first, but I pretty much got my carry permit in NY for the "if Hillary gets in" reason that was mentioned before.

My reason for buying the Sigma was price and fit. Of all the pistols I actually held in my hand, the Sigma just fit. Period. I brought this one up to my face and the sights were immediately there.

I have to say, after a couple hundred rounds and some serious range time....it's a joy to shoot and I really am pleased with the purchase! I'm sold on S&W and have already been looking at the M&P line for a .45ACP and the 22A for a plinker.
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Great review, Erich! Definitely a real value! I bought a 40VE last spring after having a chance to shoot a few dozen rounds through a friend's Glock 22. So I'll offer my opinion on how the Sigma stacks up to a Glock. After shooting that Glock 22, I swore I would never buy a Glock. Ugly, incaccurate (in my hands), and I couldn't hold on to the thing either. Every 2 or 3 rounds I had to adjust my grip on the thing. Then a local shop had the Sigma's for $279. I liked the feel and the price, plust the fact that it is a S&W, so I bought one. The 40VE fits my hand so much better. The trigger is only about 8 lbs on mine too. Not much different than the particular Glock I fired. I've fired about 600 rounds now without a problem. Another plus that few people seem to be aware of is that the Smith has a fully supported chamber, the Glocks don't. Anyone who reloads .40 S&W's has seen the warnings not to use those loads in Glocks!! I personally can't imagine buying a centerfire pistol that I couldn't safely reload ammunition for. So, those are just a few more things to consider for anyone thinking about buying a Sigma.
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Erich it seems as though your report on the dreaded Sigma has brought a bunch of owners out of the closet..Many are seeing just how great the gun is..When I bought mine,9mm,almost three years ago I was originaly looking for a Glock..The way the laws are in this state a new Glock is not to be had,just used ones..A used G-17 was almost two hunderd dollars more than the Sigma..After getting them both in hand it was no problem deciding what was the better feeling
grip..The Sigma followed me home that day and has been to the range at almost every trip..
It won't take the place of my 1911's but fits in rather well..Also it eats lead bullets like they were going out of style,and does it well..
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sight in the rear sight slot..J-Point or Docter or something of that type as most of my handguns wear them,old eyes need help..
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Great review. I have six of the Sigma's because they are fun to shoot and go bang EVERYTIME without fail and IMO the best out there for the money. The 2 free mags pushed me over the edge so I now have 6 great pistols (with another on the way) with a lifetime warranty. Thats hard to beat.
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Erich it seems as though your report on the dreaded Sigma has brought a bunch of owners out of the closet..Many are seeing just how great the gun is..When I bought mine,9mm,almost three years ago I was originaly looking for a Glock..The way the laws are in this state a new Glock is not to be had,just used ones..A used G-17 was almost two hunderd dollars more than the Sigma..After getting them both in hand it was no problem deciding what was the better feeling
grip..The Sigma followed me home that day and has been to the range at almost every trip..
It won't take the place of my 1911's but fits in rather well..Also it eats lead bullets like they were going out of style,and does it well..
Just one more reason Massachusetts gun laws suck. A new Glock is a threat to society but a used one is perfectly okay...the Attorney General of Massachusetts is such an idiot.
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Love the review here. I have had the 40ve a few years now, paid $289 on sale and got a cool knife as a send in rebate-(actually decent).
I love your green 9mm and will have to acquire one.
I have a Beretta 92 Brigadier 9mm, but heck, I'm a shooting enthusiast and very enthusiastic over the Sigmas so a second 9mm of another flavor is welcome here. Try the Bianchi accumold for this pistol everyone! It's an excellent compact rugged rig!
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