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is the 10mm gone?
Even if most forums and magazines have already gone through this. Seems that most people say that the 10mm is no longer interesting, only perhaps for collection!
I would like you to share your comments on the 10mm, if really someone still is using it and for what purpose? What about the S&W Model 1006, are they in use or to cumbersome?
Thanks for any new info...
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I am saving money to have a Fusion 10mm 1911 Bobtail Government model built.
I had a 1006 back in the mid 90's, but foolishly sold it due to lack of ammo availability.
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I too wish I still had a 1006. At one point in time, I had a 1006, 1066, 1076, and a 1026. I really think the 1006 with adjustable sights was my favorite.
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The search function is your friend. There are numerous 10mm threads around.
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I pack one of these two 10mm's or a 2.5" Model 19 every day and have for several years.
I am a firm supporter of the Tim Allen "MO POWER!!" school.
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"is the 10mm gone?"
To paraphrase John Wayne-"Not Hardly"!
There are probably more guns chambered in 10mm now than ever before. Furthermore, Vltor's version of the original 10mm, the Bren Ten will probably be ready for the public on or around the 2010 S.H.O.T. show. At that point in time, it will be 3+ years since word "leaked" that they were doing this and hopefully they will be able to put the right foot in front of their left to the point that they finally get something finished and not just give the public Chin Boogey. Correctly executed, it will be the best of all 10mm autoloaders. Further information on this gun can be seen at http://vltor.wordpress.com along with BREN-TEN.com and it's associated Forum.
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10MM rocks , and I still see a loyal following out there.
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Well, Colt doesn't think so.
Colt's Manufacturing Company LLC
A 1006 is still on my wish list as well as a Delta Elite.
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new to 10mm
As a newcomer to the 10mm I don't really know as much about it's history as some of you. I have started my collection with a 1006 and a 1076. I am already impressed with the power and accuracy of these guns. The S&W 10mms are obviously well built, but they are also easy for me to shoot well. I think we just might see a comeback for the 10mm after all the interest that seems to be here in the forum.
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Well Thank you ALL. Very interesting info on the net with your hints! thanks. Really, i thought of something like this and i am happy it is proven by so many of you. Indeed, when loaded near maximum, the 10mm has lot of power and good bullets are available, too. The S&W PC should run a series.
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Gun writers have been penning " 10mm --- R.I.P." type articles for at least a decade. Well, they have to fill up their gun rags with something, and they have to give the old standbys of 45 vs 9mm and Revolver vs Auto an occaisional rest.
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If anything, the TEN is seeing a slight resurgence. Hopefully, the new Bren Ten will be a success.
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Ted Nugent doesn't think so. It's his hunting handgun of choice.
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If the 10MM is gone, I'm stuck with six S&W 3rd gens and one Delta Gold Cup. I have about two thousand rounds of 10mm ammunition purchased before the Obama price runup. Just thinking about this terrible situation makes me smile as I await Vltor's reincarnation of the Bren Ten.
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S&W doesn't think the 10mm is dead. One of their latest guns to come out is the 310 nightgard. They are still selling the 610 in various barrel lengths.
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With all due regard for posters who have 1911 clones in 10mm (I have A Kimber Custom Target in 10mm) I do not think that the platform is the best for full bore 10mm. So I can understand Colt deciding to drop 10mm if they do, they after all have done so before.
Third gen S&Ws are a different matter.
A 200gr bullet at 1200fps may be a bit much for some but many of us are convinced. I see Double Tap breaking new ground with ammunition, someone besides me must be buying the stuff.
If 10mm is dieing, it is surely taking its time about it. I think it started “dieing” in about 1990 when I bought my 1006 if not before.
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Sonny, what a great drawing, it really says it all.
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My favorite carry piece is my G29 -- it's pretty much an ideal cartridge, IMO... Of course, I carry my 329 NG most days, now.
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I have been shooting the 10mm for over 20 years. It is one of my favorite cartridges, offering far more versatility than any other autopistol cartridge.
In addition to the factory guns available, there are a number of custom makers who are keeping busy turning out tens; there are also people converting .45ACP Glocks to 10mm.
The 10mm is also a formidable hunting cartridge. As others have mentioned, Ted Nugent is a big fan; as was the late Chuck Karwan.
Karwan considered the Glock 20 to be the ultimate outdoorsmans sidearm.
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My G29 with Pearce +0 bases is my EDC sidearm.
No worse to shoot than an Airweight .38 with full power 158-gr +Ps.
But a G29 launches a 180-gr Gold Dot @ 1185-fps.
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... there are also people converting .45ACP Glocks to 10mm.
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Karwan considered the Glock 20 to be the ultimate outdoorsmans sidearm.
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Just curious - Why would anyone spend money to convert a .45 ACP Glock to 10mm when they could just buy a G20?
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If 10mm is dead there are a lot of people who didn't get the memo. I Carry my 1066, except for the summer time. 10mm is a great round that won't go away without a fight from a lot of people.
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Yeah, three of them have gone right in my gun safe over the past year and a half. And more may go that way if I see them in the condition and at the price I like.
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"With all due regard for posters who have 1911 clones in 10mm (I have A Kimber Custom Target in 10mm) I do not think that the platform is the best for full bore 10mm."
++1 on that! While you can get it to work in the 1911 platform, the mechanical dynamics of that round in that platform are extremely violent. I personally wish that Smith had made a single action version of the 1006 similar to the 745/845 chambered in 10mm.
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Picked up my 1006 last Friday with compensator and it shoots perfect, the best choice for my first gun
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The 1026 handles most or all 10mm loads comfortably. The 10mm is the most powerful autoloading hunting cartridge available in a normal-size pistol, and it is certainly an excellent defensive round, as well. It is hardly a surprise that it is not dead. It isn't even feeling sick.
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Bruce Gray doesn't think so either as his crew and Mr. Gray have converted about 10 Sig 220STs' to 10MM and plan on offering this as a regular item from their shop. I'm doubtful we will see 3rd generation 10MM autos from S&W again. I know they would sell, but S&W seems to be focusing on the LE market with their M&P. Me, if I see a 10MM S&W auto for sale I always take time to look at it and consider buying it even if I have one like it already.
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My first 10mm was a really nice 1086. I kept it for a while, used it mainly for woods carry. Not bad recoiling at all, and the gun was very solidly made. I never bought any factory rounds, just made up a few of my own and shot those.
I ended up selling it, not becasue I didn't like it...but I just got an offer on it I couldn't refuse. I chose the S&W because it seemed the best built frame/gun for the cartridge that I found. I was teetering on the edge of getting a G29 after I sold it, but without shooting one first I just wasn't convinced that it would be that accurate with such a short grip.
I ended up getting a G33, first glock and first .357 sig. It is definitely no 10mm, except maybe louder, but it's nice to have a gun you can carry around and not really worry about it all the time. My 1086 was almost too nice to be lugging around in the woods. I will most likely find another Smith 10 at some point in the future.
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"With all due regard for posters who have 1911 clones in 10mm (I have A Kimber Custom Target in 10mm) I do not think that the platform is the best for full bore 10mm."
++1 on that! While you can get it to work in the 1911 platform, the mechanical dynamics of that round in that platform are extremely violent. I personally wish that Smith had made a single action version of the 1006 similar to the 745/845 chambered in 10mm.
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I fear I'm coming late to this and maybe this has been covered already, but loads that my Kimber will handle (9.9 grains of Power Pistol if I remember correctly) in my 1006 I get a "Glock smile." I have to use about a half grain less to avoid that.
That load was from Brian Pearce's article in Handloader.
Anyway I like the 10mm because it's a fun auto cartridge to load for. You can fiddle with the springs and do all sorts of things. I will have tg agree though that it does slam things around if you're not careful. But with its extra length it does not go wild if you drop in an extra particle of powder.
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I shoot full power (200/1200) in my Kimber ocassionally. It hasn’t fallen apart nor do I expect that to happen, still lots of Deltas did. IMO it is not the best idea.
I asked a custom 1911 builder to build one (1911-10mm) they said no.
The Sig P220 ST is very like the 3rd gen S&W, I have no doubt it can handle it or GreyGuns wouldn’t convert them.
I have never shot anything including the old Norma full power ammunition in my 1006 which seemed even remotely too much for it. My 1076 seems to me to be also just as capable.
The guys on the 10mm forum seem to push the envelope really hard, I am not really interested in going there, but Double Tap has a 200/1300/ @ 750 ft/#s which I might try.
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If 10mm is dead there are a lot of people who didn't get the memo. I Carry my 1066, except for the summer time. 10mm is a great round that won't go away without a fight from a lot of people.
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I likewise carry a 1066 in the winter. Summer I carry a 3913. Fantastic guns.
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Kimber offers the Eclipse model in 10 , Nice two tone gun too.
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Is the 10mm gone
For guys who like a multi-purpose caliber I can't think of an auto round more versatile. You can download it to 40 S&W and get plenty of knock down without over penetation, or, load up to the 41 mag and go deer hunting. I have a 1006 which I can shoot very accurately even in full house loads. Plus, my Dillon dies will load either 10mm or 40S&W for my various autos. Which is one reason I bought a Springfield EMP 40. I'm not clear on the reasoning behind 10MM revolvers when the 41 mag is out there, but I guess it's another level of versatility. Mag-Na-Port did a beautiful job on my 1006 when they first came out. They did a trigger job, buff and polished parts to really make it stand out. I did have it ported and it helps with the heavy loads. I installed Tritium night sights and it sits next to my bed. My personal protection load is Hornady XTP 200 gr. at 1150 fps. That should do the job if the worse happens.
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Most like the 200gr at higher velocities 1100+ or the 175gr Silvertyp @ 1200+ and thats pretty hot and a good allrounder. But what about a hyper fast 135gr to perform even better than the famous 125gr 357Mag which has good reputation on the street and even on hunting as i recall from some old articles in handguns magazine. Or would that be to hard on the 1006?
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Sorry Stefano I thought I posted a reply but it didn't make it. Personally I think the 1006 can handle just about anything you can put in it. However, everyone I talk to tell me the heavier bullets are better for self defense. I don't understand the dynamics of it because you can get the same energy from a fast 125 gr bullet that you can get from a slow 158 gr. I think to the guy who takes it in the chest he won't care which one it is.
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i had a blue delta and sold it in a fit of stupidity. was able to get a brite stainless one
Iggy, how does that commander length 10 shoot ?
a pre lock 4 inch 610 is on my list if i ever see one for sale...
ammo cost is an issue but it is fo rmost calibers.
double tap seems to have some really nice loads.
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ElToro,
I get along fine with the CCO configured 10mm. It is a bit snappy, but certainly no worse than a snub nose .357 mag.
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I just bought a Dan Wesson CBOB in 10mm. Wonderful gun, and a real hoot to shoot. My only problem is finding inexpensive FMJ for it. $40 a box hollow points are just too damned expensive.
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no it isn't gone. I just added a second SW 10mm to my stable with the 1066 (shown with it's bigger brother 1006).
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I have an old Colt Delta that I shoot the milder stuff in and a Glock 21SF that I bought a 10mm barrel for. Some folks said that wouldn't work but I just had to find out for myself. So far, it has about 500 rounds of various factory and handloads through it, some of them very, very hot, and not a single malfunction. Accuracy is better than I get with the 45 ACP setup. This is fast becoming one of my favorites.
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Nope! My 2009 Colt Delta Elite and 2007 Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail.
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