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Hi fellow smithophiles. I have noted several guns in the standard catalog as being transitional. The autos generally are second gens
that bridge the gap into the third gens. I have seen mentionin the standard catalog the RSR transitionals in the 4600s,6400s,6500s and 6600s. Vintage was about 1990 according to catalog.
I own a pistol marked 745 and the box says 7450.And the date coincides since the box code 0136 means May of 1990

What is this .....rare bird or...?????
Please shed some light on this for me. As always, your comments and input are welcomed and appreciated



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What a beautiful pistol dont know anything about it besides I would pay dearly for one, I collect the transitions (non rsr) prefixes, 459/4590,,, 469/4690,,669/6690!,645/6450
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OK, it is marked like a transitional, but a transition from What to What?

The 745 had no 3rd Gen successor

It does have the newer style magazine. All of my 745s came with metal floor-plates.

It might just be a Monday morning typo. After all the label also incorrectly states that is an adjustable sight 745
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It seems to me that the product code on the label is most likely the key to the answer.
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It seems to me that the product code on the label is most likely the key to the answer.
What do you mean by that?
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I mean that somewhere... there exists a data source that can tell us exactly what that six digit product code is supposed to be. Roy Jinks certainly has that source, I don't know where else to get it. But if the "103906" is simply Smith & Wesson's product code for a Model 745, then it would be my guess (as a novice bystander) that we are looking at a very clean example of a great pistol that S&W made around 5,000 of.

Obviously, mine is no definitive answer.
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I mean that somewhere... there exists a data source that can tell us exactly what that six digit product code is supposed to be. Roy Jinks certainly has that source, I don't know where else to get it. But if the "103906" is simply Smith & Wesson's product code for a Model 745, then it would be my guess (as a novice bystander) that we are looking at a very clean example of a great pistol that S&W made around 5,000 of.

Obviously, mine is no definitive answer.
Product code 103906 is a 745 with Adjustable sights. I am unaware of the quantity of 103906 that were produced. Where did you hear that there were 5,000 of them produced?
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SCSW, 3rd Ed. And/or maybe Fjestad.

And where did you get the source for that product code?
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SCSW, 3rd Ed. And/or maybe Fjestad.

And where did you get the source for that product code?
I do not own a copy of "Fjestad" and have no idea where they get their information.

I can tell you that the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wessons does not list any quantity for product code 103906.

If you want to re-verify the information that I posted regarding product code 103906 you will find it on page 294 of the 3rd Edition of the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wessons
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Or I could send a PM through this site to Jim Supica. Maybe I could arrange a two-for-one, perhaps HE knows Mr. Stephen Fjestad, the author of the Blue Book of Gun Values.

You seem to burn a lot of energy quoting and snarking in response to the things that I post. Bravo to you fine sir! But if you find yourself crunched for time, do consider placing me upon your ignore list. And may good fortune and karma bless you.
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Although it does mention that "5,000 produced c.1986-1990" on page 294 in the SCS&W 3rd Edition, the serial# range listed is DVC0001-DVC5000. The O.P.'s pistol is TBN3332 which is not in the listed serial# prefix. Please play nicely in our sandbox......
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Correction for my post -- I was not referring to the SCSW 3rd Edition, which is a silly mistake on my part. It was my 2nd Edition as I don't have the 3rd but I eagerly await the 4th.

And yes, upon reading the SCSW entry again, I am now thoroughly confused as you bring up an excellent point. It states clearly that the 10th Anniversary IPSC makred pistols are all DVC prefix and that range runs from DVC0001 to DVC5000, but only for the first year of 745 production. The follow-up years show different product codes.

The 745 that I have (and really love!) is a TBM prefix, originally shipped with fixed sights. The 2nd Edition merely says that product 103906 has adjustable sights and "Special 1990."

I would love to see all S&W enthusiasts make a database with images of their factory letters. These letters are often chock-full of interesting details.
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I don't know if it helps but my adjustable sight Model 745, serial number TFJ5496, product code 103906, the box is marked Model 7450. The gun was shipped on Aug 16, 1990 to Sport South Inc.
The pistol is referred to as ".45 Special Limited Production" in the factory letter.
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I had several of the late production 745s' and they did have the LPA style rear sight as opposed to the extended fixed Novak. Most had the medal floorplates with a hard rubber pad glued on. I don't recall the SKU on them but they did have serial numbers starting TB*****.
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Well after several emails and a settlement on a trade I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the Origional posted gun the 745/7450 transition gun, thanks Haris1.
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Ok after reading the response in this thread it doesn't seem there was a concise explanation for the 745 box labeled "7450". I just purchased a 745 with a 7450 marked on the label. Any additional thoughts? Thanks
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The 745 is a little hard to research and the information lying around is incomplete and misleading.

I posted this to help update the SCSW 4th.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/138532432-post31.html
Unfortunately I did not see a knowledgeable collector reply with more concise information.

My 745s are DVC serial number and stamped “IPSC 10th Anniversary 1976 – 1986”. These guns are the ones where the 5000 produced came from. The total number of 745s all variations would be many times higher.
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I think that member Colt ssa explained it. The Model 745 never became a transitional as it wasn't replaced by another model 745 in 3rd Gen trim.
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I think that member Colt ssa explained it. The Model 745 never became a transitional as it wasn't replaced by another model 745 in 3rd Gen trim.
I was fairly certain there were no transitional 745's but am more curious why the label is marked "7450". Maybe a "special" run?
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The 35th edition of The Blue Book states in 1990 (100) special edition pistols fitted with adjustable sights were produced,,, I am still awaiting my letter from Mr. Jinks for mine.
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The 35th edition of The Blue Book states in 1990 (100) special edition pistols fitted with adjustable sights were produced,,, I am still awaiting my letter from Mr. Jinks for mine.
Thanks Chief-wahoo. I was hoping you would chime in. I'd be interested in knowing what Mr Jinks writes. Last time I spoke with him, he indicated his backlog was 20 weeks....uggghhhh
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I recall having owned three slightly different Model 745's. The first was one of the 5,000 DVC IPSC guns, which had blue slides, stainless frames, fixed sights, a more pronounced mag release button and wood stock panels.

The second batch was identical for features but had no IPSC markings.

I still have one of the last batch. It is similar to the first two but has an adjustable rear sight assembly. I just dug it out of the safe. I've never shot this one.

The box end label says Model No 7450 and Product Code 103906. Spec. Ord. reads 0229. I bought it 10-26-90, so it didn't sit around long anywhere. Serial number is TFJ5492. Model number stamped on the frame is MODEL 745. There were no warranty card, pamphlets or instruction sheets or brochures with mine, just the cardboard insert, the vapor paper, the empty chamber indicator and the black 'top hat.' Two magazines, yellow followers.

I like the five inch S&W guns. I have early production models 645, 6450, 4506, 4505, 745, 845, 945, 1006 and some of the shorter ones, 4513, 4516, CS45, and a few others. I have been very lucky.

All three of these 745's I had have wonderful trigger pulls. The first two were very accurate shooters, but at the time I was just then transitioning from a revolver to a 1911 for work, and the backwards thumb safety of the 745 was a down side for me.

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Makes me wonder if there was something internal about the 7450,
like they were planning to do something, but it got sidetracked...
hence the extra 0 at the end of 745...

With what I do in shipping for another Co., it isn't unusual for a plan to have been
laid out, then other things take precedence and it be forgotten for
8+ months or so...by then the mechanism in place has moved on...
next thing ya know, its five years later and you go,
"Hey? WTH happened? Never Implemented??
but the dang thang is right here on the shelf!!"
and we've been shipping it out like that the whole time...
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