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Old 03-24-2010, 05:16 PM
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One of the next guns I am looking for on my list is a retired CHP 4006. You see a lot of used police trade in 4006's around, most of which have the California state property numbering system on the slide and frame. But I know not all of these are CHP guns. Anyway to discern the actual CHP guns from other California LE agencies? Got any pics of your CHP 4006?

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All CHP 4006's will have matching inventory numbers on frame and slide. They will all have adj rear sight, stainless steel guide rod, beveled mag well, bobbed hammer.
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True. But so do all the 4006's from the other California state LE agencies. I have found guns from the DOC (I am assuming parole or probation), some kind of state park police or rangers and others. They all have the same specs as the CHP guns. I was hoping their was some kind of marking or serial number range the sets the CHP guns apart.
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My experience with CDC parole is their agents had 6906 9mm as recently as Fall 2009. Probation agents are county LEOs. Not much contact with state park rangers. Fish & Game wardens - Glock 20's several years ago. DOJ BNE agents - issue is Glock 23.
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I've seen UC and CSU coppers with Smiths and Glocks - unknown calibers.
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Here is one on GB
S&W 4006 40cal Smith and Wesson : Semi-auto at GunBroker.com
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:22 PM
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Is there a serial number range that designates CHP pistols? Mine is no. TVD 80XX and I've been advised that this number falls within the range of CHP pistols. Mine looks like the one pictured on the afore-mentioned Gunbroker ad but it has an arched back-strap.
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Kinda wish I would have kept my issued one. Had a chance to buy it back from the dept for $239 but passed on it. Heavy, built like a tank and extremely reliable. Thousands of rounds over 16 years with zero non-magazine related malfunctions. I own all makes of the top shelf duty guns and the S&W can keep up with the best of them. We now carry the 4006TSW which has been just as reliable. I will keep this one when I retire.
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There's a used 4006 California State Parks for sale @ Downtown Guns & Ammo (www.downtownguns.com) for $375 w\ (3) Hi Cap mags & box. He has several pics you can look at. It has a State Parks logo on it.

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mlk18: "DOC" stands for Department of Corrections, i.e. the State Prison System. I was a LEO armorer in Nevada for years. I went to two S&W Armorer schools in the CHP Training Center near Sacramento. They have been carrying Model 4006s for such a long time that they have bought several orders of 4006s. So there will be 'several' separate groups of serial numbers applicable to their issue guns. CHP always took all new guns down and did a couple of modifications to them. I don't remember what they were, but someone on this forum will know what you should look for.

I too carried a Model 4006 for more than 10 years on duty. I agree with Mike-4; it is a great handgun and is utterly reliable. I transitioned from a Colt Model 1911 to the 4006. At first I hated the DA then SA trigger pull until I got about 500 rounds down range in two shot drills. Then I really got to like it. I was able to keep my duty gun on retirement and now it resides beside my bed wearing Trijicon night sights. ...... Big Cholla
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S&W 4006 TSW California Highway Patrol Pistols - One of a Kind. - YouTube

CHP is start of serial numbers...

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All Kalifornia (pepples') Highway Patrol pistols have serial numbers starting with 'CHP'. Not kidding. Also they do not all have adjustable sights. Novak factory night sights are what I have seen on them. Its hard to tell how these pistols originally came, but many received "field mods" such as Hogue grips and spurred blued hammers. Its not hard to change the hammer on a 4006. But the one I have coming is stainless frame and slide, blued mag release, blued decocker lever, bobbed skeletonized blued hammer, integrated to the frame accessory rail, original polymer grips with dimple, Novak night sights (completely depleted). If you're keen to get one, get them while you can, once they disappear into collections that's the end of them, there ain't no more.

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Item arrived today and I must say I'm pleased with initial overall condition. Practically no holster wear, light handling marks to the polymer grips, bore extremely strong. Blued parts showing some wear but what you would expect of a carried duty weapon. Crown immaculate. Excellent example of a unique model of the S&W 4006 line.
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here is apic of the state parks ones. cool imo
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The sad thing though and ironic in its own way about the CHP 4006 pistols? That the officers that would like to own their old service weapon aren't permitted to do it because not only are the weapons no longer certified by the state of kalifornia (which has to be done by the weapon manufacturers on a renewal basis or they can't be brought into the state and transferred) but they have 11-round magazines. This is what the rest of the states have to be vigilant about: Not letting this creeping cancer that is liberalism be exported by expatriots leaving for cost of living, crime, and tax reasons. They don't adapt to the culture of where they wind up, they try to change it what they left behind.
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Here's a pic of the one's Copper Custom is offering for sale for $399 with 3 mags. These are the CHP 4006 TSW variant with the integral frame rail. Very tempting.

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Makes me want one of these to go with my former Tulsa PD 4046
And my recently acquired 4516-2.
Starting to find out there are alot of interesting variants among this generation of SW SA pistols.



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Well I caved and did it. We shall see how she looks when I get it. Full report to follow.
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Summit Gun Broker also has these for sale, along with the 4013 TSW from the California Highway Patrol. Both vendors have some nice, clean pistols for sale and both plan to have more available as they are released from the CHP.
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Mine is a 4043, and it "retired" with me.
great house gun!
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alright people, time to clear the air! I am a CHP gunsmith. brief history. in 1990 we went to the original 4006 with adj. sights, all stainless parts, safety, etc.. incredible gun, lasted 18 years with the dept. bought 4 diff. batches. easy to tell by the CONTROL NUMBERS on the right side of slide, barrel, frame, A, B, C, D series. now most serial # started TVD, THB, TVC, TFL,. in 2006 we went to the factory, sat down with the engineers, directors, and helped design the 4006TSW. and almost eleven years later, I must say im glad we did. its been a great gun for us. now the differences in the TSW, spring loaded decocker, MIM parts, equip. rail as part of the frame, heavier extractor spring, novac sights, E control #, and CHP as part of the ser.#. hope this helps
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The sad thing though and ironic in its own way about the CHP 4006 pistols? That the officers that would like to own their old service weapon aren't permitted to do it because not only are the weapons no longer certified by the state of kalifornia (which has to be done by the weapon manufacturers on a renewal basis or they can't be brought into the state and transferred) but they have 11-round magazines. This is what the rest of the states have to be vigilant about: Not letting this creeping cancer that is liberalism be exported by expatriots leaving for cost of living, crime, and tax reasons. They don't adapt to the culture of where they wind up, they try to change it what they left behind.
NOT TRUE , more than half bought their duty guns.
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True. But so do all the 4006's from the other California state LE agencies. I have found guns from the DOC (I am assuming parole or probation), some kind of state park police or rangers and others. They all have the same specs as the CHP guns. I was hoping their was some kind of marking or serial number range the sets the CHP guns apart.
the control #s on the right side. A,B,C,D and then a number
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Here's a pic of the one's Copper Custom is offering for sale for $399 with 3 mags. These are the CHP 4006 TSW variant with the integral frame rail. Very tempting.

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all ill say is that's a good price
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Summit Gun Broker also has these for sale, along with the 4013 TSW from the California Highway Patrol. Both vendors have some nice, clean pistols for sale and both plan to have more available as they are released from the CHP.
careful with these ones. should be insp. before buying
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Glad to have you here, and enjoying your expertise in this area. Could you clarify your last statement. All guns coming from Summit, or just one of the two models?
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NOT TRUE , more than half bought their duty guns.
I stand corrected. I imagine they were able to purchase them as they were still active duty and considered law enforcement procurement?
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Glad to have you here, and enjoying your expertise in this area. Could you clarify your last statement. All guns coming from Summit, or just one of the two models?
if you're talking about the 4013. we had them for 20 years and they have an aluminum frame that took more abuse then the stainless ones.
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Well I caved and did it. We shall see how she looks when I get it. Full report to follow.
Well come to find out they are not in stock. The website says "in stock" but that means that they are in stock at their distributor and it would be 3-4 week wait on them before they would actually have them in their possession. Then it would be another 1 to 10 days to process. Meanwhile they charge your card for the pistol and shipping immediately.

So I say BS and cancel the order. Oh but wait, you cancel the order and they charge a $45 order cancellation fee because they lie to you and say they are in stock. So I say BS again and will let my credit card handle this dispute.

I would not recommend using Copper Custom Armament because of this shady practice of not having things in stock that they quite clearly say that they do.

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I stand corrected. I imagine they were able to purchase them as they were still active duty and considered law enforcement procurement?
Just an FYI, All LEO can buy off roster in CA.
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I would not recommend using Copper Custom Armament because of this shady practice of not having things in stock that they quite clearly say that they do.
This doesn't surprise me. His YouTube channel has grown so fast that it doesn't surprise me if he isn't a little over extended.

To be sure, he's a smart guy when it comes to guns, but that doesn't mean he's a good business owner.
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For the record, I ordered two from Summit Gun Broker and they are a class act. They even selected two with straight grips because I asked. He even offered to let me wait a few days for another shipment to come in so that there would be a greater number to look through.

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For the record, I ordered two from Summit Gun Broker and they are a class act. They even selected two with straight grips because I asked. He even offered to let me wait a few days for another shipment to come in so that there would be a greater number to look through.

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Picked-up my Smith & Wesson California Hiway Patrol 4006 TSW Thursday at dealer and could not be more than happy with the gun. It was in perfect condition. Not a single scratch holster wear or rub mark. Gun was squeaky clean. Not a speck of dirt, dust or grease . Gun was in perfect condition. Like new! I am sure it was unissued. Could not have asked for better, nicer gun. Happy, Happy, Happy. Price was good to. $415.00 + tax

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Took ammo with me. Could not wait to try it out. Preformed perfectly fresh out of the box. Trigger was little heavy. Just hope it lightens up after use Heard changing trigger spring to 16 lb would help. Checked Brownells and they are out of stock. Probably it will lighten up before they get more in stock

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Sorry meant to say hammer spring would help lighten trigger pull. I am not much of gun Smith Any ideas about lightening trigger pull. Maybe it will lighten up with us

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Sorry meant to say hammer spring would help lighten trigger pull. I am not much of gun Smith Any ideas about lightening trigger pull. Maybe it will lighten up with us

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normal trigger pull for the TSW's is: S.A 6-7, D.A 12-14. you can try a wolf spring kit or take it to a gunsmith and have them spin the main spring.
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Would you please explain "spin" the main spring?

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I also don't understand what the meaning of spin the main spring is. Perhaps someone could be so kind to enlighten me
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Thanks for the specs, Norseman!

Would you please explain "spin" the main spring?

John
When you spin the main spring. Put a wire or something round the same diameter into the main spring hole .using a belt sander, grind off metal as the main spring spins thus weakening the spring and trigger pull.and only do a little at a time and check on gun, do too much you will get " knuckling"and replacement.might get 2lbs max. Good luck
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When you spin the main spring. Put a wire or something round the same diameter into the main spring hole .using a belt sander, grind off metal as the main spring spins thus weakening the spring and trigger pull.and only do a little at a time and check on gun, do too much you will get " knuckling"and replacement.might get 2lbs max. Good luck
Thanks again!
Shortening the mainspring to reduce trigger pull weight.
I probably won't be doing it anytime soon but I appreciate the clarification and I'll remember the tip.

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Damn you guys! Since discovering this forum I've spent way too much money! Looking at one of these from Summit right now. I am requesting the straight grip as well.
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Shortening the mainspring to reduce trigger pull weight... I appreciate the clarification
I think he's talking about reducing it's diameter, not it's length, making it weaker.

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I think he's talking about reducing it's diameter, not it's length, making it weaker.

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Now that I reread it, I'm sure you're right.

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This is just a quick heads-up that Copper Custom Armament has surplus CHP 4006 mags that can be purchased individually for $18 a piece. Their shipping charges are very reasonable, too.

Is $18 per mag a fair price these days?
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This is just a quick heads-up that Copper Custom Armament has surplus CHP 4006 mags that can be purchased individually for $18 a piece. Their shipping charges are very reasonable, too.

Is $18 per mag a fair price these days?
I would make sure that they even have them available. Their website may say they are in stock but they are probably not. Make a phone call and DO NOT order online.
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Actually, I already ordered three magazines online and they shipped yesterday. I'm thinking about ordering a few more at that price...
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