I haven't.

I don't care for mag safeties. Never did.

Interesting how 'fads' change over the decades. In the 70's, there was NOT the multitude of autos to choose from that you guys have today. Chances are, if someone was carrying an auto(of any quality), it was a Browning HP, a 39, a 59, a Gov't Model, or a Walther PPK/S or PPK. Walthers and Gov't Mods did not have mag safeties. I can't remember anyone ever feeling the need to add one. The HP and the S&W's had them. The HP was a little irksome to remove it from, but many people did it. The S&W's could be done in 10 seconds. I had a little box full of them.
Nowadays, I prefer Sigs, and they don't have them (the models I own, anyway). Problem solved.

Disclaimer- I have stated no real opinion here, merely a preference.
I don't care if I am the only person on earth with that preference.
I don't care if you have the same preference.
I don't care if you do not have the same preference.
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All that said, this thread begs the question:
Why do people get wound so tight in internet discussions?
I mean, what exactly sets folks off- just the fact that others have different opinions, or the fact that they refuse to adopt your opinions/preferences?

It ain't that complicated.
If you see the merits in another's viewpoint and learn something new, and want to change your opinion, change it.
If you prefer to keep your original viewpoint, keep it.

On a board primarily filled with alpha males, you probably won't have much luck forcing people to agree with you when they are not inclined to do so.

Recess now. Play nice.

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Lee Jarrett

Lee, the fact that someone else has a different opinion than mine doesn't bother me at all. When someone tells me that I am being unsafe with my guns when I remove something like a mag safety because, someone else may get it and not know anything about it. Or when they assume to know me or what I am or am not capable, how much I train, or just generaly come off as thinking they are somehow better than me, it does.

I admit that there are pros and cons to mag safeties, internal locks, firing pins safeties, etc. When someone comes a long and cant see any faults and will twist everything into supporting their opinion it rubs me the wrong way. I did not participate in this to try and change anyones opinion on mag safties, only to show that there is another school of thought and that both schools do have some merit.

I'm sorry I didn't know that you were following me to the range and watching me all the time. How can you presume to know how many times I practice this, it could not possibly be as much as you right?

I'm done here, see yal in another thread.

Removing a magazine safety device sets up several potential problems.

One of which is that, if a discharge takes place that could reasonably be expected to have been prevented if the device was in place, you're in very deep trouble. Certainly from the civil liability standpoint, possibly from a criminal charge.

Secondly, in the event of a deliberate shooting, you'll be presenting yourself to the jury (of non-gunowners) as a reasonable and prudent person. Should the prosecuter be out for blood (and you probably wouldn't be in court otherwise), they're going to suggest that your intentional removal of a safety device is not consistant with the actions of a reasonable and prudent person. Particularly if you did it yourself without being a qualified armorer with that weapon.

It's another issue to deal with that you don't need at that time/place. But hey, it's your potential trial.

Look, the choice to buy a gun with a mag safety is up to the user. The issue I have with the whole debate is from the whole "what if i am doing a tactical reload and I need that one bullet in the 2 seconds that my gun is down?" crowd. I'm sorry, but the odds of that happening are so minute that they do not even merit a mention. I mean, how many times has that actually happened?

On the other hand, there is documented evidence that the mag release HAS prevented negligent discharges, and gun grabs, by both cops, and civilians.

Hearing testimony from casual gun owners (at best) doesn't really support the argument against them. If you want people to sway over to your side, present a valid argument that supports it. leave the Jack Bauer stuff at home.

And interjecting SWAT raid stories without even getting the whole story just makes you look foolish. You show me one case where a mag disconnect caused an accident, and I'll show you 100 that prevented one.

I am a firm believer in ownership and carry of firearms. I have a new S&W .357 on the way here now. My wife and I got a little too close to a black bear last week, and I think i FINALLY got her to go with me to the range. If it goes well, she'll be getting her carry permit. I will make sure she is well schooled in firearms. Something many other gun carriers should be doing, but don't.

And, Luddha: the three S&W semi auto's I have owned with mag disconnects have all behaved the same. If the mag release is pressed, the mag comes out forcibly. No way on any of those guns could a mag not be properly seated and still remain in the weapon. even an empty mag forcibly ejects.

Not what the evidence shows.
Your next two sentences refute that- "When someone tells me that I am being unsafe with my guns when I remove something like a mag safety because, someone else may get it and not know anything about it. Or when they assume to know me or what I am or am not capable, how much I train, or just generaly come off as thinking they are somehow better than me, it does."

That is opinion, and it obviously bothers you.
Then, your quote of kbm, and the reply to him proves it further.
Let it go.
He is not going to change his mind.
Obviously, you are not going to change yours.

That is fine- all of you should state your opinion and move along.
Keeping it going can turn a very informative thread into drivel.






Ding-Ding-Ding!
We have a winner!





I never thought to ask Jack his opinion. I think I know what it would be, but I don't really care. I made up my mind more than 40 years ago, and probably won't change it.

My simple philosophy-
If I ever find myself anywhere, anytime, with one of my semiautos that has a mag, then I have as many shots as the mag contains.
If I ever find myself anywhere, anytime, with one of my semiautos that does not have a mag, then I at least have a single shot pistol, assuming I possess at least one round, instead of a very poorly shaped baton.

Now, you can all take that opinion along with two aspirin and see if you feel better in the morning.
The aspirin are probably going to do you more good than my opinion.

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Lee Jarrett