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Old 07-31-2010, 06:30 PM
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Default Can Bodyguard 380 take "+P"?

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At the risk of getting yelled at, I am going to ask the question...Has anyone heard if S&W has a stance on using +p in the Bodyguard 380? I just traded my LCP for the BG and would like to know. Over on the LCP forum they get very testy when someone asks about +p. Ruger has stated that the LCP is not suitable for +p. I also know that there really isn't a SAAMI spec for 380 +p, but I am referring to such ammo as Buffalo Bore (self proclaimed +p) and other "hotter" loads like Doubletap, etc. I would like to get the most out of the BG 380, but also don't want any problems. Hopefully, Wolff will come out with beef'd up recoil springs soon, which would probably help with +p loads. Any thoughts?
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I'm looking at the manual for the BG 380 right now. It implies that using +P ammunition is not a good idea, but it doesn't say that it is absolutely prohibited. I've handled a few polymer frame 380s in the past few weeks, and the BG 380 is the beefiest of the bunch. If there is a polymer 380 that can handle +P, it's this one.
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(OK, how do you pronounce that? )

Unless you see a specific prohibition, it's probably safe to assume that a given modern firearm will handle +P, at least well enough to put a few practice rounds through it, and "in extremis" should you actually need it.

I would NOT plan on putting more than a couple magazines worth through the gun initially, nor doing more than just burning off the carry ammunition each year.

There are some out there where it's just not safe, of course. Either the manufacturer says not to do it, or it's just kinda old. My old PPK/S will handle about anything, but I'd be afraid to put +P in my P3AT. I prefer to avoid the +P in the Walther even so - it's a circa 1968 gun....

Philosophically, other than better penetration of hollow points against winter clothing, I'm not sure it really matters.... But that's just me....

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You can't make a .380 into a 9mm no matter how hard you try.

Just sayin.


While I understand the sentiment, and have been in your same position before, I have also learned over the years that reliability trumps FPS every time.
Often (more so than not IMHO) with smaller guns the hotter ammo abuses the gun and/or effects reliability rather badly.
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I've never seen .380 +P... who makes it?
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I've never seen .380 +P... who makes it?
IIRC there's no SAAMI designation for +P .380 ammo, so the technically correct answer is no one makes. However in the vernacular I guess people consider stuff like Buffalo Bore .380 to be +P. Some of the gun makers that make small .380 guns advise against using Buffalo Bore, although I've never seen that prohibition specifically in an owners manual.
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(OK, how do you pronounce that? )

Unless you see a specific prohibition, it's probably safe to assume that a given modern firearm will handle +P, at least well enough to put a few practice rounds through it, and "in extremis" should you actually need it.

I would NOT plan on putting more than a couple magazines worth through the gun initially, nor doing more than just burning off the carry ammunition each year.

There are some out there where it's just not safe, of course. Either the manufacturer says not to do it, or it's just kinda old. My old PPK/S will handle about anything, but I'd be afraid to put +P in my P3AT. I prefer to avoid the +P in the Walther even so - it's a circa 1968 gun....

Philosophically, other than better penetration of hollow points against winter clothing, I'm not sure it really matters.... But that's just me....

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Thanks. Ya, I know my user name is strange. It is an old logon id from a previous job. I just use it because I am sure no one else has. Anyway, I haven't tried any Buffalo Bore yet, but I did try a few rounds of Doubletap ammo. I don't believe it is as hot as the BB, but a little hotter than, say, Speer Gold Dots, etc. I really didn't notice more recoil. Not sure I will try the BB, but I am gathering that, in very, very limited usage, it probably would be ok. I am just working off of the approach that greater fps equates to greater eneryand greater penetration and (hopefully) greater expansion. I also realize that hotter rounds cause greater recoil and slow down subsequent shots, so ther is a trade off. I believe Mag318 said he will be using CorBon in his BG 380. I may try some, since they are within SAAMI spec, but probably on the hot end of the spectrum.
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