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Old 01-02-2011, 08:06 AM
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Ok, you Knew this topic had to come up sooner than latter so I'll be the goat that brings it up...

I found a drop of CLP on the hammer mech and main spring made a World of difference in my (horrible) trigger. Now I'm wondering if anybody has taken their BG apart yet and work the trigger. Doesn't look like it would be hard to do.

Any takers? If so, results?
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i just bought one. i too hate the trigger pull. i know nothing about gunsmithing. i like all the other features of the gun, but can't hit much with it because the pull is really hard. any help would be appreciated. contact me at oilerpaul@aol.com paul
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Put me on the list if you find a better trigger. I too hate the trigger pull on this otherwise great gun.

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Interesting first and only posts here guys... I had the opportunity to shoot about 40-50 rounds through the first ones built, thought the function was great. The trigger pull is stiff, no doubt, that's the kind of gun it is... it's a ccw gun, you may carry in your pocket!!! It's not a target gun, shoot it, get used to it, makes sure it functions properly and move on. It sounds like you were expecting a 1911 custom... I'm not saying the trigger is "good" just saying it is what it is for what the gun was designed for. I had no trouble transitioning to it, had no trouble staying on target, pulled it back a bit till I found the spot right before it went "click".. then hit my target. Would I like a trigger like my M&P's after a little work .. sure.. but again, it is a totally different class of gun. I plan on purchasing one soon, none in stock locally here, but when I get one, I will no doubt play with the trigger. I met a gunsmith from Savage Arms this past summer, he gave me a tube of grease he said they use on the triggers, put it on the sear of my guns now, it made a distinct difference. Have you guys cleaned and lubed these guns yet? That and more shooting should improve your guns trigger action... Good luck, I'll be sure to share what I can do to improve mine when I get it.. keep us updated please..
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I have A BG380 From Gun & Gun Parts in W-Springfield. Call Mike there at 413-732-9938. I agree with you that it is NOT a target gun and people should realise that fact. One can get use to the trigger. I find mine to be super accurate.Once again I must stress what this gun is designed to be, it's a small easy to carry and conceal self defense gun.







OTE=turbo38gn;135765288]Interesting first and only posts here guys... I had the opportunity to shoot about 40-50 rounds through the first ones built, thought the function was great. The trigger pull is stiff, no doubt, that's the kind of gun it is... it's a ccw gun, you may carry in your pocket!!! It's not a target gun, shoot it, get used to it, makes sure it functions properly and move on. It sounds like you were expecting a 1911 custom... I'm not saying the trigger is "good" just saying it is what it is for what the gun was designed for. I had no trouble transitioning to it, had no trouble staying on target, pulled it back a bit till I found the spot right before it went "click".. then hit my target. Would I like a trigger like my M&P's after a little work .. sure.. but again, it is a totally different class of gun. I plan on purchasing one soon, none in stock locally here, but when I get one, I will no doubt play with the trigger. I met a gunsmith from Savage Arms this past summer, he gave me a tube of grease he said they use on the triggers, put it on the sear of my guns now, it made a distinct difference. Have you guys cleaned and lubed these guns yet? That and more shooting should improve your guns trigger action... Good luck, I'll be sure to share what I can do to improve mine when I get it.. keep us updated please.. [/QUOTE]
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Continuous lubes of the hammer and mainspring and allot of dry firing, have greatly improved the trigger pull. Hopefully it will stay this good.
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I agree that this is a ccw gun. I have done many dry fires of the gun and still end up with sore trigger fingers. I have cleaned and lubed it with many types of products and end up the same. My wife and I have 4 380 guns that we carry or have at desk or in car (Taurus TCP, Sig P238, and Walther PK380), and non of them have the high trigger pull of this gun. I have a Lyman trigger gauge and the other guns range in pull from a low of 6 to a high of 8 pounds. The BG380 is off the scale above 12 pounds. My wife can not pull the trigger on it, so if she had to use this gun in self defense, I guess she could throw it at them.

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I am so happy I found this forum. The 380 Bodyguard is my first handgun and I bought it for self defense when I run at night. My husband has a Glock 19 9mm and it fires so easy. I can't seem to hit the target with any accuracy with the trigger pull on this gun. I get so frustrated because my husband says I am squeezing the trigger so hard that my hand starts shaking all over the place. I am so worried that I won't even qualify to carry this gun. Any suggestions? I have put roughly 200 rounds through it and have taken it apart and cleaned it twice.
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I am so happy I found this forum. The 380 Bodyguard is my first handgun and I bought it for self defense when I run at night. My husband has a Glock 19 9mm and it fires so easy. I can't seem to hit the target with any accuracy with the trigger pull on this gun. I get so frustrated because my husband says I am squeezing the trigger so hard that my hand starts shaking all over the place. I am so worried that I won't even qualify to carry this gun. Any suggestions? I have put roughly 200 rounds through it and have taken it apart and cleaned it twice.
I don't own one yet, so I'm not real qualified,, but I've handled them at the gun show. If you have the trigger near the joint of your finger, it seems hard to pull because you have to go so far back. If you haven't tried all ready, use just the tip of your finger and see if that makes it any better.
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I am so happy I found this forum. The 380 Bodyguard is my first handgun and I bought it for self defense when I run at night. My husband has a Glock 19 9mm and it fires so easy. I can't seem to hit the target with any accuracy with the trigger pull on this gun. I get so frustrated because my husband says I am squeezing the trigger so hard that my hand starts shaking all over the place. I am so worried that I won't even qualify to carry this gun. Any suggestions? I have put roughly 200 rounds through it and have taken it apart and cleaned it twice.
As the previous poster mentioned, use just the last half of the last digit of your index finger. It will feel strange at first...maybe even a little bit painful...but if you dry fire the pistol a few hundred times a night (while watching television or whatever), you will find both that your index finger grows stronger and that the trigger smooths out. I was completely UNimpressed with the trigger at first, but, with practice, I've grown to like it quite a lot. Now, I shoot my BG380 more accurately than any other firearm that I own. By the way, with all of the dry firing, you may want to invest in a pack of snapcaps.

After a few months, if you still hate the BG380, sell it and buy a Kahr P380. My wife loves hers. It's essentially the same size and weight as the BG380, but it has a very easy trigger pull. I recommend the Pearce grip extensions, though, because it could be challenging to get a good grip on the Kahr in an emergency. The grip extensions give the pistol just enough "grabability" to overcome any slickness from sweat or whatever.
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I've fired a few rounds through the BG, I had to find the sweet spot right before trigger release. In other words practice taking up the trigger travel to the spot right before release. Get there quick and the last bit of travel should be easier to squeeze. It sounds like you are slowly pulling the trigger from start to finish, that would kill me too... no pun intended.
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I have over 1,000 rounds now through my EAA BG and I can report that the trigger pull does smooth out a bit over time, although it still isn't what you would call light.

I have big hands and have no issue with pulling the trigger or accurately shooting the gun. My wife carries an LCP but shoots the BG regularly and hasn't had any problems either (she's all of 5'3" 120lbs).

Just practice like others have said and keep running ammo through it. You may want to go to the range and have someone really break down your form and see if they can offer some improvements in grip or technique.
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I've fired a few rounds through the BG, I had to find the sweet spot right before trigger release. In other words practice taking up the trigger travel to the spot right before release. Get there quick and the last bit of travel should be easier to squeeze. It sounds like you are slowly pulling the trigger from start to finish, that would kill me too... no pun intended.
x2 . This is known as "staging the trigger". Nothing you would want to do when the gun is pointed at a BG, but for target/qualification it works well. The BG 380 has such a long pull and a natural flat spot just before hammer fall so it works good on this gun. ( Mine anyway.) Practice doing this with an empty(!) gun aimed at a small spot on the wall. Stage the trigger then drop it with an additional squeeze . You should be able to do this without moving the sights/laser much with regular practice.

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I'm with the "fix the trigger pull" group. It's too long and it does require me to use the distal phalanx rather than the IP joint crease to pull the trigger to completion. I'm betting that some enterprising outfit will figer out a fix for this before long. I'll be one of the first in line because I like everything else about it.
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Dear Doctor Bob, I haven't tried that drug on my joints yet so I can't comment on it, but you should not be pulling the trigger on your guns when messing around with joints or pipes let alone the ones laced with that there distal phalanx stuff.
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Lol, I had to Google that one and yes, that is the finger part that I have to use when firing this gun.
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Ditto for me - I found that using the distal phalanx (or in this case, the meaty part of your fingertip) rather than the wrapping the tip of my finger around the trigger greatly improved my accuracy. I too would be very interested in an improved trigger - I don't mind leaving the safety on when I carry, so I can safely deal with a much lighter trigger (I'd feel differently about it if the BG380 didn't have a safety).
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Ok, so nobody has posted a "I cut a coil off the mainspring" answer yet??? I know it's comeing :-))

If not, maybe the good folks at APEX are working on a solution. They certainly cured my M&P's.
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I dont think the trigger is hard, I just hate how long it takes for it to release. I am too familiar with the M&P40 pull, I would like to shorten the pull to release point, how would I do this? are there any kits out there?
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Before I make my point, don't forget the BG380 is a hammer fired gun that does not get cocked by the slide, and the M&Ps are striker fired cocked by the slide. So we have to overcome not only trigger springs but the heavy hammer main spring as well. Now to my point....

On this forum you'll find "Bodyguard 380 Bible" which is really great. Take a look. I haven't done the piece by piece polish yet but plan too this winter. What I have done is lighten the spring tension of the firing pin blocker. This tiny spring is about 5lbs. You encounter this spring right at the end of the trigger pull. In a nutshell, a lever operated by the trigger (last 1/16") lifts the blocker out of the way of the firing pin. This 5 additional lbs of resistance along with any friction in the blocker assembly can feel a little gritty and actually move the slide. I took the blocker and firing pin out polished the surfaces where the two meet/rub, and did some light (800 grit) cleaning of the blocker and blocker channel. I then cut the blocker spring in 1/2 and stretched it back to length (don't over stretch it) so it just contacts the cover plate. I can't measure the new strength but it's closer to 1, 1.5 lbs. Plenty to work the blocker and keep it safe. RESULTS? The pull is still long, still hard, but much smoother, especially at the end where accuracy can go to h... in a hand-basket if the slide moves. I've shot several hundred round with this simple mod.

UNFORTUNATELY, the sight has to be removed for this. You have to vise the slide (pad it slightly to prevent marking) with the sight square in the center of the vise and drive it out...I mean DRIVE it out. Don't use a padded hammer, use a real hammer and punch. That sucker is tight. Before putting the sight back in I did some buffing on the dove tail surfaces and now it's still tight but will move if I want it to. Dead center seems to be where S&W tune it in with the front sight. But look before you remove it.

OBTW, this winter, if I can get a new hammer spring from S&W I do plan to lighten it's tension some. I'll post results some place here.

AND, I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANY MODIFICATION. I'm presenting mods to MY BG380 for information only. Have fun....be safe...

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Ladies and Gentlemen, check out Brush Creek Ltd. cowboy action shooting ppc gun smithing howell michigan
I have held this gunsmith's personal BG and the action was amazing, I also own a M&P and several revolvers he has completed action jobs on and the are all amazing. He does not list BG work on his web site, but I am sure if you contact him, he will do it.
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Using the ball of my index finger and after about 200+ dry firings, my BG .380 is getting a much smoother trigger pull than it had originally.
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I too have dry fired my 2 year old Bodyguard 380 closer to 1000 times and have shot it over 500. The trigger was progressively smoother and has seemed to have lost a few pounds. I wouldn't change it now.

A friend of mine was impressed with mine as a defensive pocket pistol and purchased his own. Pulling his trigger was the likeness of a nail file compared to the buttery pull mine has evolved to.

There is hope so as you watch MSNBC news and get ticked off with their anti-gun agenda, relieve your frustration and dry fire your BG while you watch.
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I still have an occasional misfire that requires a couple of pulls to go boom so I installed the heavier Galloway hammer spring tonight. I hope that cures the misfire problems, guess I will find out tomorrow.
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I am in too. I purchased one about a month ago. Just shot it for the first time. Love the features of the handgun, dislike the trigger. Anyone has a modification please let me know.

Another issue I had was with the gun not loading and properly when fired. It was really strange. It was like the bullets were misaligned and lodging horizontally. Then I had another issue with the slide not re-engaging properly and not being able to fire the handgun.

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I installed the Galloway hammer spring that is suppose to 20% heavier than the OEM spring if I remember correctly. Trigger pull is slightly heavier but with the other Galloway parts and polishing action is much better than stock. I ran the gun yesterday and it performed flawlessly without any misfires or if FTF issues.

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I added the shorter trigger bar and edge trigger from Galloway Precision to my BG380. Trigger pull is shorter, but I have not had a chance to fire it yet. It's still a heavy pull just not as long.
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