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Very nice looking gun!
Me thinks I know who's 4566 that is too, judging by the user name and lack of the attached light.
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Why don't they just make several hundred more whenever an agency wants a 3rd Gen to sale on the market? That 4566 is hotness!
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For The Love of God and All Things Holy!
That is what I'm talkin' about baby!!!!!! AMERICAN STEEL!!!!!!! I would pay a good deal of American dollars (not pesos, euros, francs, etc) for that. Heck, put a 5 inch barrel on that thing and I'll run all the way to MA from NC on blood nubs and pay in silver for one!
I just don't get it. S&W could turn a profit if they still offered it. If you need a gimmick, call them 4th generation. They obviously still have the means to produce these, and I just don't buy the fact they can't make a profit on these. Its kinda like Colt and the AR15. They're already set up for it and could make a higher margin if they sold them commercially or offered what customers want. If S&W has a site set up for steel frame production, and I assume they do since they offer multiple 1911 models, there is no reason they couldn't produce another series of steel frame autos.
S&W do you hear me? Do you even care?
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Don't forget they still make the all metal 952 as well and sell them for $2000.
I'm with you and have commented on this many times. S&W evidently has a (poor) marketing plan that sees Glocks and other polymer pistols as the only competition, and must think metal gun sales would cannibalize sales of their M&P's.
SIG and Beretta seem to take a smarter approach in this regard.
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Thank you gotuonpaper!!
Beautiful pistol. They got to be pleased with those!
Why we can't get something like that is beyond me. Regards 18DAI
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Price WV Troopers pay for 4566
You know the WVSP are probably paying under $750 per gun for those and S&W is still making decent profits.
If they were to make a limited release of Melonite 4566's with the rail they could probably sell them all day with a MSRP of $850 or $900 and up. The SIG P220's in .45 seem to sell for around $850.
I personally would prefer one without the rail but they would probably sell better with them.
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Throw in a few 10mms too!
If S&W would produce an over-run of a couple of hundred 4566s they would definitely sell. While they are at it -- they could crank out a few hundred 1066s with a rail and melonite finish and probably get $1K+ per unit from the 10mm fanactics like me!
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Re: Talking Throw in a few 10mms too!
Now you're talking! I'd even pay in advance for one of those.
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$750 per unit with a minimum order of 750 pistols is the invoice/order I saw a copy of.
Email S&W to sell these. I did. Also, send an Email to Lew Horton. I was told if enough interest was shown they would do an order.
I had gotuonpapers photo's up on my screen this AM. Seven different officers asked "what pistol is that?". Everyone of them said they wanted one. One officers agency is carrying 4566's currently. S&W offered them the free M&P deal last year, they passed too. Regards 18DAI
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OK, that's one order for half a million dollars $$$. Let's hope other agencies follow. I bet a lot of them that currently buy metal framed SIGs in .45 will be interested.
S&W may get more interested if they have to set up a line and have all of the tooling set up for this gun.
I really like your idea about us contacting Lew Horton. How about also with the guys that do the Talo guns? Are they tied in with Lew Horton or is there some way to contact them?
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That is one good-lookin' pistol.
Thank you for the pics, it's nice to put a face to the name.
Great idea on bugging S&W and Lew's too, what product code do we use?
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As promised...sorry for the delay. Hope you all like.
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Nice looking pistol, I'll send S&W and Lew Hortons email too.
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As promised...sorry for the delay. Hope you all like.
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Wow! What a beautiful pistol - thank you for the pics. I think I have been carrying a 40 for too long, that bore looks HUGE
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Anyone know the SKU number on this WVSP 4566TSW? gotuonpaper? Thanks! Regards 18DAI
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Well, if I were to go on the stories that filter down through the tunnel to here about the WVSP, I would say they kept the 4566s just because there isn't anything better to pistol whip someone with ( I kid just a little bit).
that is a nice lookin pistol for sure.
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The SKU on these melonite integral rail 4566TSW's is 108263.
Can anyone get us some of these? Regards 18DAI
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18DAI - what's the number for the 4586TSW version? I'd prefer one of those.
(I'm kidding about them existing guys, don't get all juicy on me.)
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Thats i really nice looking 4566TSW, lucky stiffs those WVSP.
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I believe they are always looking for good recruits...... I'm a native West Virginian myself, exiled to Ohio for now. Those WVSP are actually well trained, great guys. My high school football coach was a high ranking guy there for a long time before becoming sheriff of the county I grew up in.
I believe if you want to trade in your cowboy hat for a ball cap you would find West Virginia to be a nice change of pace from Oklahoma!
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The SKU on these melonite integral rail 4566TSW's is 108263.
Can anyone get us some of these? Regards 18DAI
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I just emailed Lew Horton Distributing and S&W to see if they had any current plans. Can't hurt to ask...
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I just emailed Lew Horton Distributing and S&W to see if they had any current plans. Can't hurt to ask...
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Let us know what they say. I emailed S&W and have yet to hear back from them....
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Wow, wish I could carry that instead of my 220............
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Let us know what they say. I emailed S&W and have yet to hear back from them....
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Lew Horton said nothing in the works at this time Maybe if enough of us ping them and let them know there is interest...
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JUST PINGED THEM
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What's the email addy?
You know I'm gonna ask for a 4506 with the rail, right?
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Here's a pic of one of the Melonite 4566s on the job.
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I emailed S&W again, the response was maybe! So lets hope they offer them to the public!
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Other Tim:
You're the man! I'll email them myself this week.
And if any of you S&W employees are following this post- I'll buy one as soon as the're available, plus one for my son who is coveting my EDC- a mint 4014.
Everybody asks me where I got the 4014 and how they can get one. I'll buy the next one of those that I find LNIB at a decent price. (they only made about 55 of them though)
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I'd buy a factory-new model in a heartbeat if S&W offered them. Ditto for the CS line.
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I may buy one of the 45-- series if made again. I would for sure buy a new 10-- series gun!
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Nice pic of the WVSP Trooper. No damn plastic guns for them!
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Nice pic of the WVSP Trooper. No damn plastic guns for them!
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Never say never...they just are ran by a lot of old dog war horses....the other major LE agencies WV DOC and WV DNR are carrying the G21 SF.
Sooner or later the bean counters will win.
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NH State Police had the 4566's for some time now and are going to the MP .45's. George
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Anybody else contact Lew Horton? Looks like I need to hope to get a 4566TSW trade in...
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See post above your last one... looks like there could be some used ones available.... The more I've watched this thread and seen the pics, the more attractive these TSW's look. Think I'm gonna do a little poking around to see where these NH guns are going.
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Here's a pic of one of the Melonite 4566s on the job.
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Nice pic, i too prefer the arched back grip on the 4566s. I carried one on duty also, cept mine was a CQB.
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He told me "S&W then pulled out the stops and worked a deal to keep the contract" and agreed "to continue making 4566's for the agency from the Houlton ME plant."
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I didn't read all 24 pages and I'm sure others have mentioned this. At least with the S&W manufactured Walther PPK the Houlton plant's quality control is lacking to say the least.
It seems odd to me that in today's world of Kiazen, Six-Sigma, 5S programs, etc. that a world renowned company as S&W would have the type of quality issues they do. I'm not bashing them what so ever as I love that an American Co. makes some of the finest handguns in the world, (and I own 3), but quality, especially when it concerns firearms has to be paramount over profits.
I hope, for the officers sake the 4566 is manufactured under stricter controls.
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any updates on the WVSP use of new 3rd gens? Any other agency's following their lead?
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I still want one of the 4566TSW's with melonite finish!
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What a fantastic looking pistol.
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Sent a note to Talo and Lew Horton and referenced this thread/forum. Heard back from Talo. Said they'd consider it, but the issue will be that any metal pistol will compete for machine time in Maine with the 1911 which is in high demand.
Maybe if enough folks contact them they may listen.
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What is the Louisana State Police Carrying, I was recently in New Orleans and chatting guns with a State Trooper, he was carrying a Glock 22RTF, he told me they had ditched the Sig P220's for all Glocks!
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The previous information staing this wasn't happening was... incorrect.
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I believe they are always looking for good recruits...... I'm a native West Virginian myself, exiled to Ohio for now. Those WVSP are actually well trained, great guys. My high school football coach was a high ranking guy there for a long time before becoming sheriff of the county I grew up in.
I believe if you want to trade in your cowboy hat for a ball cap you would find West Virginia to be a nice change of pace from Oklahoma!
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VTHokiesDuckHunter well all though it would be nice to work for an agency that issues S&W 3rd gens. I think im just fine were im at. I have no doubt that the WVSP are well trained, great guys, and probably a great place to work. But i already got an ok local government job, so i think ill stay put.
By the way i already wear a ball cap, never worn a "cowboy hat" in my life. No one i know wears one ether that i know of. I mean its not like this is Texas.
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Also sent an email to Talo, they answered very quick said S&W said they would consider it but the 1911 production is top priority at the present!
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"S&W said they would consider it.."
Hmm. Perhaps they should look at their stock performance and consider it a little harder.
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I just sent a message to Talo saying to add my name to the list as a person who would want to buy a new 4566.
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yep, for the 5 guys in this thread that want them... makes sense.. I don't understand why Buick won't make the 1987 Grand National again.. them dirty rats... what's wrong with them...
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Sent a note to Talo and Lew Horton and referenced this thread/forum. Heard back from Talo. Said they'd consider it, but the issue will be that any metal pistol will compete for machine time in Maine with the 1911 which is in high demand.
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Maybe if enough folks would be willing to pay upwards of $1100 - $1200/ea for a new 4566TSW, to make it worth the company's time, and if a distributor would be willing to order $250,000 worth of stock, the company might find it enough of an incentive to disrupt their SW1911 production. Maybe.
People balk at the prices the new production TSW's would have to bring in to offset the production costs and make a little profit (which is why they were dropped from the catalog in the first place - lack of sales).
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Maybe if enough folks would be willing to pay upwards of $1100 - $1200/ea for a new 4566TSW, to make it worth the company's time, and if a distributor would be willing to order $250,000 worth of stock, the company might find it enough of an incentive to disrupt their SW1911 production. Maybe.
People balk at the prices the new production TSW's would have to bring in to offset the production costs and make a little profit (which is why they were dropped from the catalog in the first place - lack of sales).
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