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I had an opportunity to take some shots of the frame differences in my 3913TSW Pre-Rail and standard 3913. I was surprised by a few of the differences.

First of all, the slides appear to be identical at first glance with the only difference being the Tactical billboard engraved on the side of the TSW. That isn't the case though. The slide from my standard 3913 will not even begin to slide on to the rails of my TSW frame.

If you look at the rails closely you can see that the TSW had thicker rails.



The second thing I noticed is that the hammer on the TSW is cupped out on the sides. I assume that this makes the hammer lighter but that is only an assumption. You can also see in this picture that the beavertail on the TSW is bobbed.




The next big difference is in the length of the frame itself. The dustcover of the TSW frame is about 1/2 shorter than the standard 3913. Even compensating for the shorter beavertail the difference is very noticeable. The trigger guard on the TSW is also smooth while the standard 3913 has the checkered trigger guard.





Obviously the grip is chopped on the TSW but the checkering on the front of the grips is also different. You can also see the thicker frame rails on the dust cover from the front.

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Old 03-07-2011, 05:10 PM
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The frames are from these two guns



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Awesome and informative pics. Thanks. This answered several questions for me.
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Wow, great info post. I always thought aside from the engraving on the slide, they were identical. Thanks.
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You also need to consider that the TSW from 2000-up has the thicker/square dust cover for the luggage rack they added to them. They also went back to the larger 8rd grip at that time.
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Any differences inside the slide?
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Any differences inside the slide?
Aside from the rails being sized differently in the slide I cannot see a difference. There is supposedly a difference in the barrel bushing but it looks the same to me.
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Old 03-07-2011, 09:23 PM
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Yep, the box-type rails of the TSW are thicker and a bit tighter in tolerance. This contributes to the potential for some better accuracy.

A barrel profile change made for sightly delayed unlocking in the TSW, which some folks might notice as contributing to a slightly reduced recoil impulse.

Later on they added the loaded chamber visual inspection port in the barrel tab and machined the 2-step cut in the slide, under the left side decocker lever, so the optional spring-loaded, decock-only assembly could be installed, if desired.

Aside from some of the noticeable exterior changes, S&W has been making some continuing changes in design and manufacturing in the TSW models, as well.

The current 4566TSW no longer has the forward angled machined slot under the ambi lever, and the inside of the slide has had at least one potential stress spot relieved where the firing pin channel and the ejector depressor plunger channels connect at the rear. (I first noticed this in the .45 series, from one new production lot to another, and when I asked about it I was told it would eventually be done across the whole TSW model line.)

The .45 TSW barrels received a couple more revisions something like 3-4 years ago. The most noticeable was machining the barrel lug only on the top of the barrel, instead of all the way around the barrel. I didn't notice that until I had a pair of new 4566TSW's disassembled on the bench and happened to see the difference. Again, a call back to the company confirmed some recent design & manufacturing changes (including the way the feedramp was machined and how the rollover point was shaped, as I recall).

The difference in your hammers is that the one with the tub-shaped recess in the sides of the hammer is MIM and the other one is the older machined/black carbon steel. (They were still using & shipping the machined carbon steel hammers for the Value Line models even after the MIM hammers were in use for a while.)

See the 2 machined hammers on the left in this picture? The one of the far left is the older version, flash-chromed and with some serrations on the top of the spur. The 2 on the right are MIM.



If you look under the slides of each of your 3913's, to the right of the pickup rail (under where the extractor recess is located) you can probably see how the narrow slot ends in an angle, or uneven shape in the older 3913. Maybe. The shape of your 3913 ejector appears to be of a newer revision, so maybe your slide was made at a time with the newer machining being used. Dunno without handling and looking at it. The newer TSW was probably made after they changed manufacturing techniques, though, and were able to cut that slot more cleanly & evenly under the extractor recess, meaning at the end (rear). (This is why some of the older 9's sometimes would develop had a curved "crack" at the rear of this slot, because the very thin bit of metal not machined out at the floor of the extractor recess, at the top of the groove to the side of the pick up rail, could crack under recoil. The "crack" would start at the rear end of the slot, inside the thin bit of remaining metal comprising the bottom of the extractor recess, and curve outward until it reached the solid part of the slide where it stopped. It wasn't a problem, either. Sometimes the small bit of thin metal would break off and fall away and sometimes it would remain, but no longer under stress.)

These are just some of the things I can think of off the top of my head, all of which I learned in armorer classes or by talking with folks back at the factory.

Nice pictures, BTW. Mine never turn out nearly that nice.
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Thanks for that info. Here's a few shots of the slides. They are more different than I thought. The entire profile of the rail is different as are the cutouts.





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Yeah, when they went to the Box-type rail profile instead of the older, smaller rail profile it necessitated some changes. The more prominent set of rails in the frame's dustcover added to the changes, too. The newer model had a tighter slide run and lockup, too, although most of us would be hard pressed to be able to feel it.

Lots of folks never seemed to realize that S&W's engineers were continually working to make small revisions and improvements in their 3rd gen guns. As it was described to me, some were the result of adapting to improved, more precise manufacturing techniques and some were the result of finding ways to make further subtle improvements on the existing design.

I just wish they'd wound up making an all-stainless 3913 (which would probably have been called a 3916 if they followed their model numbering designations). I always thought a compact version of the robust 3906 would have been an outstanding offering. A bit heavier, but with the durability and heft offered by a steel frame for those folks who wanted a gun without an aluminum alloy frame.

I'd even have settled for them offering an enhanced 3913TSW made with a scandium aluminum alloy frame ... and with the accessory rail an integral part of the machined frame (if it just HAD to have a rail, that is ).

Like anybody ever listened to me, though ...
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Great thread! Thanks for doing the post and pics frank_drebin!

I'd like to come across one of those early 3913's. Yours is very nice! Regards 18DAI
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After all of the info fastbolt provided I am curious how different the TSW is from a 3913nls.
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Great thread! Thanks for doing the post and pics frank_drebin!

I'd like to come across one of those early 3913's. Yours is very nice! Regards 18DAI
Thanks. It is one of my few "it's not for sale" guns. The other is my sks. One was a gift from my dad, the other is the only gun I own that I ever had to use defensively.
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