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S&W pocket 9mm?
With the new pocket nines (Ruger LC9; Kimber Solo; SIG P290) now on the market, and with Taurus and Kahr models already in the market, I wonder where S&W's model is?
The BG380 competes with the LCP and TCP and the BG38 competes with the LCR, in terms of pocket polymers, so it would seem like S&W would introduce one as well. The M&P9c is a fine pistol, but it isn't DA like these others, and it isn't really a pocket pistol.
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They already made own, was full of fail. Here is a magazine for one.
<edit> the model was the SW9M
Smith & Wesson SW9 Sigma 7 rnd Magazine $20.56
A search on Gunbroker shows a couple of guns.
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They already made own, was full of fail. Here is a magazine for one.
<edit> the model was the SW9M
A search on Gunbroker shows a couple of guns.
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Well, that's true...I had forgotten about that. It still seems to me they would want to get into (or back into) this popular category.
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S&W already did this when they came out with CS series of pistols in 9MM, .40SW, .45ACP.
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S&W already did this when they came out with CS series of pistols in 9MM, .40SW, .45ACP.
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Were those polymer frames? I thought they were metal.
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They were metal, and well above the pricepoint of the LC9/P290 (of course, so is the Kimber).
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The 3954 or 3953 can't be beat by any newfangled polymer compacts and need to be reissued!
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The 3954 or 3953 can't be beat by any newfangled polymer compacts and need to be reissued!
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They are great pistols, I think everyone would agree...however, they are not what most would call "pocket pistols." I'm curious if S&W is going to come out with one (a pocket 9mm) or stay out of this genre: a subcompact 9mm polymer framed DA or DAO pistol.
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what's the difference
I would like someone to explain the differences of a 5904 and a 5903.If possible, I would like pictures. Thanks as always for your help
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Other than a "little bit" more weight than the Poly Pocket models from other manufacturers, the CS series was definitely a pocket pistol. And they were very controlable compared to the Poly units. I have a CS9 and wouldn't trade it for any of the Poly pistols being sold by the other manufacturers. It beats them all, hands down, in every category that really matters.
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5903 is stainless slide and light color frame and the 5904 is blue slide and dark color frame. There is one of each on gunbroker now if you want pics.
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Other than a "little bit" more weight than the Poly Pocket models from other manufacturers, the CS series was definitely a pocket pistol. And they were very controlable compared to the Poly units. I have a CS9 and wouldn't trade it for any of the Poly pistols being sold by the other manufacturers. It beats them all, hands down, in every category that really matters.
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I don't know about that. I have a CS9 and also really like it. But there's over 5 oz of loaded weight between the CS9 and the LC9. I put my CS9 in a pocket holster but I never forget it's there. I wouldn't say 25 oz is a pocket gun. Just today i was carrying my CS9 in an IWB holster and I also never forgot it was there. 5 oz is over a quarter pound. Now, there is NO doubt that the CS series is a higher quality pistol, but there are smaller and lighter pistols out there that launch 9 MM rounds just like the CS does. A self defense gun has one purpose: to work when it needs to. It doesn't need to be the slickest thing out there. Now I'm torn btween getting an LC9 for summer carry and using the CS9 in the cooler jacket months, or going for the Bodyguard .380 for summer carry. I don't wanna start buying .380 ammo, but a 9-10 oz carry difference is a BIG difference.
I used to carry a S&W 642, but I insist on a safety on my carry gun. My 3 year old once saw me putting away my old model 36 and he asked to see it. I unloaded it and gave it to him with the cylinder open. he promptly closed the cyclinder, cocked the hammer, and pulled the trigger. The he said "now the dinsosaur falls down dead". I never taught him how to do that. I'd prefer a gun a bit less easy to use. I train enough to know how to flick a safety off. The gun is locked up and unloaded when not in use, but I still err on the side of caution.
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I have been wishing for the same thing, possibly modeled after the M&P or SD lines. The BG380 is a flop to me, other companies are coming out with weapons about the same size that are 9mm. I like the Kel-Tec PF9, but the Sig 290 is even smaller (and I don't like Kahr or the Ruger LC9). Don't get me wrong, I love my P3AT and have the utmost faith in it, but I'd feel even better with a 9mm that I can take anywhere.
S&W has fallen behind on what the public actually wants: the BG came too late, and now pocket 9mm's are arriving with no sign of a S&W version. True, when their models arrive they do seem to be big winners, but it's too late. I suppose I will go with the P290 until S&W gets it together. I would love a CS9 if I could come across one, but even that is a bit big IMHO.
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I used to carry a S&W 642, but I insist on a safety on my carry gun.
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I do not have any experience with it, but I have heard of a reputable customized safety on S&W revolvers that uses the cylinder release thumb piece to engage/disengage.
If you want more information on it, tell me and I will find what I have heard. (If I don't respond to a request posted in this thread, send me a private message.)
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Perhaps they'll come up with an officers model for the 1911. Oh well, I probably couldn't afford it if they did.
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"the CS series was definitely a pocket pistol"
I have a CS9 and love it, but you have some B-I-G pockets!
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Big Pockets! At my age I don't wear pants that accent the crack between my buttocks. My dress pants are all pleated and roomy, and my jeans are all the "relaxed" fit. So, yeah, I probably do have bigger pockets than a lot of the younger guys. I've also got a little bit more of me to stuff in my pants as well.
I've read a number of threads here on this forum of guys that have successfully carried the CS series autos in their pockets, in IWB holsters, and even OWB holsters, without any major effort. No, it's not "itty bitty" like some of the newer "watch pocket" models. But, it's all in what you wish to carry. I've shot a number of the new "itty bitty" .380s, and those damn things hurt. It goes without a lot of heavy thinking to realize, that a 9mm that's the same weight, or even within a few ounces of the .380s, is going to hurt a lot more. My Lord, people complain all the time about the .357 Js and what pain machines they are. Well, the little 9mm's aren't going to be a whole lot better. The CS9 is just very nice to shoot, even with the stouter standard 9mm loads. With the +Ps, it's tolarable as long as you don't shoot it a lot. .357 Js are not tolerable for any shooting for "most" people. The "itty bitty" 9mms are going to fall right in there, especially with +P loads.
No, I'll stick with something that's reliable to shoot in my hands, reliable functionally, and good for the long haul.
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Find a 3913. Mine is the NL model:
You won't be disappointed.
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Find a 3913.
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I would love to find a nice 3913.......locally only.........
...by the time you pay a fair price the the gun and then add on shipping (ouch) and a $50 buck FFL fee for a piece of paper there are no good deals to be found!
I'm still looking!!!
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My M&P9c is my only 9mm pocket gun. I love it. Full size power with a pocket size
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My M&P9c is my only 9mm pocket gun. I love it. Full size power with a pocket size
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Now THOSE are big pockets!!!
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Nope, normal sized pockets.
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I'm more than happy with my Kahr CM9.
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Th eonly "Pocket 9's" I would currently be interested in are:
Kimber Solo (metal)
S&W CS9 (metal- no longer in production)
Ruger LC9 (polymer framed)
Kahr
As I much prefer alloy framed guns, I'd only buy the Ruger as a truck gun or just on price.
For the best combination of quality and function- The Solo and CS9 beat everything else hands down.
S&W is really missing the upper end of the market by not re-issuing the CS9.
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One of my co-workers had an early Sigma in .380. He "wore it out" within a year and sent it back to the factory. Thanks to the Lifetime Warranty that so many of us enjoy the factory sent a brand new replacement to his local dealer. It seems that our friends at S&W knew that the pocket sized Sigmas would not last forever and were prepared to replace the failing ones that were worn out by their original owner.
I regret never shooting that little Sigma but it just didn't appeal to me. Of course that was also before the time where I was forced to carry a G23 and later the M&P40 so I was still a die hard 2nd and 3rd generation Smith fan.
I'll have to check the catalog to see how many of those pocket sized Sigmas they made. I bet it wasn't too many!
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For the best combination of quality and function- The Solo and CS9 beat everything else hands down.
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I really have to disagree with you on the Solo...lots of reports of problems with the Solo. Also, Kimber only offers a 1 year warranty, and it is a lot more expensive: the LC9 is selling in my area for under $400 now, and the Solo is about $300 more, I believe...if you can find one. None of the local shops here have them.
There have been few reports of problems with the LC9, and Ruger has great customer service (no time limit specified) if there are any. The LC9 is a great carry pistol, very reliable, and if you have to use it and the police take it, it can be easily replaced at less expense than the CS9 (good luck finding one) or the Solo.
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Don't take this wrong, being an avid collector of Gen 3 S&W, I have recently replaced my 3913 as my EDC. The replacement is a LC9.
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I had a 3913 TSW at one time (bought it NIB) and stupidly traded it because I didn't like the rail (I found out later I could have sent it to S&W and had the rail removed.) I have regretted letting that one go! I have a LC9, and my wife really likes it too...my local gun shop has a 908 NIB and I am really tempted to get it.
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Th eonly "Pocket 9's" I would currently be interested in are:
Kimber Solo (metal)
S&W CS9 (metal- no longer in production)
Ruger LC9 (polymer framed)
Kahr
As I much prefer alloy framed guns, I'd only buy the Ruger as a truck gun or just on price.
For the best combination of quality and function- The Solo and CS9 beat everything else hands down.
S&W is really missing the upper end of the market by not re-issuing the CS9.
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I have a CS9 and really like it. But carrying it in a pocket is not an option. We're talking 26 oz loaded here. I am looking for a new carry gun for warmer months. The CS9 carried IWB isn't great while I'm wearing shorts and a t-shirt. I've narrowed it down to either the Bodyguard .380, or the Ruger LC9. The LC9 has almost identical dimensions to the CS9, but it's 5 ounces lighter fully loaded. it has the mag disconnect and manual safety that I like, and it fired the 9MM round, which i have plenty of on hand since all my semi autos are 9MM. I'm tempted to go the the Bodyguard, but .380 ammo is much more expensive, although the 15 ounce loaded weight of the Bodyguard and pockey carry option (don't know how often I'd pocket carry. I carry enough **** in my pockets) are also appealing. I assume S&W is going to produce a 9MM sub compact one day, but I doubt I'm gonna wait that long.
CS9 is a great belt gun. Pocket 9? Nah.
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If we are lookin for a pocket 9... I vote the BG380 all day. Great gun, I'm at the beach this week, been carrying it since I left home. Got MP40c locked away in the RV in case I feel like packing some real protection... since we're heading to P-town tonite, I think the 380 will work just fine.. If size is what counts, the BG makes sense to me. At least it's a S&W if that's what you want. I like the looks and feel of the LC9.. but... still a little big for my pockets.
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