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Old 09-04-2011, 04:17 PM
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Lasers are one of those things that people seem to really like or really dislike. I really like them and one of my few complaints with the 3gen Smiths is the unavailability of a CT laser for anything except the 5900 series. Repeated inquiries to Crimson Trace convinced me that they had no intention of doing anything about it, so the thought of cutting down a 5900 CT laser to fit one of my compact frames has been kicking around my mind for a long time.

I chose to start with a 5900 CT laser on a 6906 because they are both double-stacks and I thought it would be a simple matter of cutting off the excess part of the grip and using the existing retention pin hole, but it didn't work out quite the way I expected. (Seems like few of my projects do. <G>) There are a few small differences in the 5900 and 6900 frame design - nothing big, but it wasn't a drop in, either. What I thought would be a simple weekend project has taken nearly two months, but I couldn't be happier with the results.

The 6906 has a good feel in my hand - seems solid compared to my CS9 or 908, except that the decocker on the 6906 is just a little awkward for me with the stock grips. The shape of the CT grip is very similar to the stock S&W grip, but it is just enough different somewhere that the decocker/safety lever just falls naturally under my thumb much as the single-stacks do - that was an unexpected benefit.

I haven't taken it to the range, yet, but the laser dot is just a hair right and below the iron sights at all ranges so I'm optimistic that it won't take much to get zeroed.

Here's a couple of photos - please excuse the dirt on the grips as it was getting hot in my shop and I wanted to get out of there. I'll try to get some more photos after I get to the range and get the grips cleaned up.

And, yes, I'm thinking of doing the same thing for the single-stacks, but that gets really complicated - it will be a while.
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Very nice job.

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Very interesting. So was anything involved besides shortening and moving the screw?
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Very interesting. So was anything involved besides shortening and moving the screw?
It seemed like every time I'd solve one problem another would crop up.

Obviously, the CT grips use a plastic block with threaded inserts rather than a retention pin - the same system the Hogue grips use. Initially, I thought it would be simple to pick up the threaded insert - it wasn't. <G> And at two hundred bucks a pop, I didn't want to make to many mistakes.

The CT's also use a latch that engages the front of the internal grip opening - and requires miniature jewelers' tools to remove. And then there was the removal of the master switch and the need to fill that hole, the original retention screw holes and the gap in the butt.

After I got everything opened up inside the grip, I had to essentially bed it in epoxy since the original locating points had to be removed. Building a jig to precisely trim the butt - what I had originally thought would be the tough part - turned out to be pretty straightforward.

Overall, it was a thoroughly enjoyable project and I'm more than happy with the results. I really want to do one for a CS9, but that not only involves trimming on a second axis - both front and back - but I think the biggest hurdle is the ribbon cable across the front that will also have to be sectioned. I haven't figured out a workable way to splice that.
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Yep, that's definitely more involved than it looks, which is a testament to the good job you did.

CT is pretty good about sending out parts you need. I broke one of those blocks doing a simple install, and they had me a new one in two days. I don't know their policy on custom mods but I wouldn't be surprised if they'd work with you.
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CT is definitely a class operation. I called customer service a few days ago and asked to buy a couple of spare mainspring blocks to use for patterns. They wouldn't take any money and today a package showed up with half a dozen little baggies with the blocks I wanted plus grip screws, allen wrenches, cleaning swabs, etc. Nice to know that customer service is still alive somewhere.

As much as I like the 6906 with the laser, the CS9 is so much nicer to carry. So I started on the laser grips for the CS9 today. It went a little faster because I didn't have to experiment as I went along. The test will be cutting and splicing the front strap - I haven't done one of those before. Keep your fingers crossed.
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Lasers are one of those things that people seem to really like or really dislike. I really like them and one of my few complaints with the 3gen Smiths is the unavailability of a CT laser for anything except the 5900 series. Repeated inquiries to Crimson Trace convinced me that they had no intention of doing anything about it, so the thought of cutting down a 5900 CT laser to fit one of my compact frames has been kicking around my mind for a long time.

I chose to start with a 5900 CT laser on a 6906 because they are both double-stacks and I thought it would be a simple matter of cutting off the excess part of the grip and using the existing retention pin hole, but it didn't work out quite the way I expected. (Seems like few of my projects do. <G>) There are a few small differences in the 5900 and 6900 frame design - nothing big, but it wasn't a drop in, either. What I thought would be a simple weekend project has taken nearly two months, but I couldn't be happier with the results.

The 6906 has a good feel in my hand - seems solid compared to my CS9 or 908, except that the decocker on the 6906 is just a little awkward for me with the stock grips. The shape of the CT grip is very similar to the stock S&W grip, but it is just enough different somewhere that the decocker/safety lever just falls naturally under my thumb much as the single-stacks do - that was an unexpected benefit.

I haven't taken it to the range, yet, but the laser dot is just a hair right and below the iron sights at all ranges so I'm optimistic that it won't take much to get zeroed.

Here's a couple of photos - please excuse the dirt on the grips as it was getting hot in my shop and I wanted to get out of there. I'll try to get some more photos after I get to the range and get the grips cleaned up.

And, yes, I'm thinking of doing the same thing for the single-stacks, but that gets really complicated - it will be a while.
I can't say how many posts you've read regarding 6906's, but there's a HUGE demand at this site for laser grips for it. And a lot of disappointment at not being able to find any.

Might want to give some thought to the demand. Probably would be worth more than a few bucks to you. And I could be counted in.
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I can't say how many posts you've read regarding 6906's, but there's a HUGE demand at this site for laser grips for it. And a lot of disappointment at not being able to find any.

Might want to give some thought to the demand. Probably would be worth more than a few bucks to you. And I could be counted in.

Tell ME about the disappointment (and frustration) about not being able to find any. <G>

If there's really demand, we'll work something out to produce some more. I'm a firm believer in handgun lasers and this really ices the cake for my preferred carry weapons - makes a really nice enhancement to a fine pistol.

At this point, though, I don't know how profitable it might be as I don't have a handle on how many hours it will take to do the mod. I have the jigs set up and know what has to be done so that's half the battle and it would be a shame not to put it all to use.

The 69xx (and equivalent 40xx) laser grips are a done deal if anyone wants a copy (at least after I finish the current CS9 project). I spent all day Saturday and Sunday in the shop working on the CS9 prototype and they are going to take a couple more weekends to get right.

If anyone else is interested in a laser grip for a compact or CS frame in 9 or 40 cal., I'd appreciate a PM just to get a handle on demand. No obligation as I really don't know what all would be involved or what the cost might be, but with enough quantity I might be able to get a better deal on the stock grips and reduce the price a bit when we figure out what it is.

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Could you show a photo of what the bottom of the finished grips on your modification looks like?
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Sure. Be glad to post more pictures when I get it all back together - if I ever finish tinkering.

I pulled them off this weekend to play with the filler in the butt area. I have it filled with a rubber compound and I wasn't satisfied with it as it wasn't firm against the frame of the weapon. The rubber compound matches the texture of the rest of the grip, but I may take it all out and fill it with a hard black epoxy which will give a slicker finish.

Any preference as to how the butt is finished? This is definitely a work in progress and I can tweak the details. I cut the grip about 1/32 short of the bottom of the frame to insure there wouldn't be any mag interference, but it can be cut flush, too.

One advantage of filling with epoxy is that the old grip screw holes and a small area where the master switch was could also be filled with this and checkered to match the rest of the grip. The rubber compound is to soft to checker, but is not very noticeable because it is the same color and texture.

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Since anyone having a LG for their 6906 would be a happy camper, hopefully it would have the appearance, all around, that one would be proud to " show off " as custom made.

EDIT: Ya think Crimson Trace would have any problem with you using their grips ( copyright )? Just an after thought.

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I just sent you a PM.
I would like to do the same thing and speak with someone who has done it, very nice job by the way.
If we had enough people call Crimson Trace to tell them to design more Laser Grips for the 3rd Generation semi-autos they might rethink it if they see that their is a demand for them!!
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I created this post JUST for contacting them..YESTERDAY. Go there and then contact them thru the link on the OP.

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John, this is the very reason I just joined the S&W forum!

I wanted to see if anyone had a line on laser sights for a 6906!

My old duty revolver is a Model 13, but for CCW it's a bit much.

I picked up a NIB 6906 for $400, and while I might have done better on the price elsewhere, it fits my medium sized hands perfectly and I'm happy, especially with the extended magazine to wrap my pinky around.

Only thing missing is a laser grip.

I'm definitely following this thread with great interest.

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Time for the weekly update. Some bad news, mostly good, though.

The bad news is that I've come to the conclusion that the CT grips can't be modified to fit the CS9/CS40 - there just isn't enough "meat" for the retention screw to hold on to. I was afraid, too, that I might interfere with the mainspring if I got to creative.

But the good news is that the CT grip not only works well on my 908, but I actually stumbled on a more elegant solution to adapting to the thinner frame and what I thought would require cutting and splicing the front strap (which I was dreading having to do). To be honest, I thought I had screwed up big time, but in "fixing" the screw up, I found that it pulled the front strap tight. Pure luck, zero genius on my part. <G>

When I was all done, the laser hit the POA of the iron sights on the other side of the garage and that was my goal. I still need some real world experience with them, but based on just one test mag fired, they held their zero and nothing broke. So I think I can make the statement that the CT LG359 (the model for the 5900 series) can be modified to fit the 3900 and 6900 series (and the equivalent 40 series frames). FWIW, the mods seemed to improve both the 6906 and 908 grips slightly for my hand size. The 6906 decocker was just a little awkward for me, but is in the perfect position for my thumb now. The 908 stocks now fill my hand better. Very subtle changes, but definitely for the better for me. YMMV.

There are a couple of cosmetic things I'm still working on, though. There are a couple of holes for the original retention screw holes and the master switch which have to be filled. I prefer a soft rubber compound, but I can't checker that to match the rest of the grip. I can go to a harder compound which I can checker, but it will still be visible. Same thing on the butt where the gap needs to be filled. I have the soft compound in both places, now, simply because I don't have to worry about it being brittle and cracking if hit on something. I'm sure I'll get some feedback when (if ever) I quit tweaking them and get some photos posted.

Appearance wise, I'm not happy with the interior, either. It is functional, but because I tried a number of different approaches to some problems it doesn't have a well finished inside. No one can see it, but I know. Right now, I can't justify trashing these just on appearance, but I might do something.

There was enough material on the 6906 that I could counter bore the retention screw hole as deeply as the stock hole. This allowed me to install some nice black Torx head screws. (I detest slotted screws on gun stocks.) However, on the 908 I was so far to the rear of the grip that I couldn't counter bore it as deeply and one half of the screw head protrudes slightly. To compensate I switched to a pan head screw with a lower profile which protrudes less (but still protrudes slightly at the rear). I can't feel the screwhead in my hand, but it bugs me to know it is there. Anyone know if it is possible to find a Torx or hex head in a low profile like a pan head?

Pictures when I'm satisfied with the cosmetics, but I can report that it is definitely doable to install the CT grips on the single and double-stack compact frames in 9 and 40 cal. I haven't given up on the sub-compact CS series, but it will require a different approach to retaining the grips.

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I wanted to see if anyone had a line on laser sights for a 6906!

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James, welcome to the forum. Hope you enjoy it here as much as I do.

Your timing is about right. I had considered using the 5900 laser grip for several years, but wasn't anxious to spend a couple of hundred bucks to experiment. I called and emailed CT several times and they finally convinced me that it was unlikely that they would develop a new model for an out-of-production pistol.

Curiosity finally got the better of me and I had to try it - I even bought a trade-in 6906 just for the project. Even if the laser mod had not worked, I'm happy I had a excuse to make that purchase.

I'll do my best to get some photos posted soon and all feedback will be appreciated.

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Looks like you're into it feet-first. Good luck. Either way, it's great to have a project ( assuming you remember to write your family once in a while ).
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Looks like you're into it feet-first. Good luck. Either way, it's great to have a project ( assuming you remember to write your family once in a while ).
I'm not sure if my wife is the understanding type or really wants me out of the house. She brought me a sandwich in the garage, today. <G>

Really relieved to solve the "single-stack" problem, but disappointed the CS9 won't work (yet).

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I decided I had to stop tweaking the cosmetics on these grips before I screwed them up.

Pardon the dust on them - I just wiped them down, but the camera seems to attract dust to them.
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And two more photos.
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Hill Country,

Count me in as another potential buyer.

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Thanks, I will. What model do you need?

Sorry about the delay - SWMBO has had me working on some higher priority (to her) projects, but I intend to start another CT mod this weekend. I'm going to try the CS9 one more time, but it may turn out to be a 3913 or 6906. Keep your fingers crossed.

Does anyone know how thick the 40/45 cal compact frame is? It is a single-stack and the CT LG359 (for the 59xx) should fit around it. If so, and if there is demand, I'll start watching for one which I can use to fit the CT grips on the 40/45's. Let me know if anyone is interested in a CT laser for these models.
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Thanks, I will. What model do you need?

Sorry about the delay - SWMBO has had me working on some higher priority (to her) projects, but I intend to start another CT mod this weekend. I'm going to try the CS9 one more time, but it may turn out to be a 3913 or 6906. Keep your fingers crossed.

Does anyone know how thick the 40/45 cal compact frame is? It is a single-stack and the CT LG359 (for the 59xx) should fit around it. If so, and if there is demand, I'll start watching for one which I can use to fit the CT grips on the 40/45's. Let me know if anyone is interested in a CT laser for these models.
I have a 4013TSW that I could measure. Are you talking the actual thickness of the metal or the width of the frame?
Would defiantly be interested in a CT for it.
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I have a 4013TSW that I could measure. Are you talking the actual thickness of the metal or the width of the frame?
Would defiantly be interested in a CT for it.
I'm interested in the width - side to side with the grips off - of the frame. From memory, I believe the 59xx/69xx, which are double stacks, are one inch thick. As long as the compact 40/45 frame is thinner than that, I believe I can adapt the CT grip for the 59xx to fit.

If you'd let me know the measurement the next time you have the grips off, I'd appreciate it. No rush, I'm going to have my hands full for a while with the 9mm's.
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Did you mean here at the backstrap? I'll call it 31/32". And it is a double stack mag.
Would certainly be awesome to have a CT for the 4013TSW.
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OK, thanks for confirming that for me. Looks like we're good to go as the 4013TSW uses the same size grip as the 6906 (which I've done).

I posted above what I think are the frame families based on what I could gleen from the S&W grip part numbers and the SCSW.

If anyone sees any errors or omissions in the above table I hope they'll bring them to my attention. It would be nice to incorporate the above along with barrel length, weight, and capacity in to a sticky.

The lines in red are the families for which I don't have a pistol to fit the CT's to. So if anyone is interested in CT's for any of these models in red, please let me know so I'll have an excuse to add to my collection. <G> (But, dear, the guys really want CT's and I had to buy it. <G>)

So far this morning, I've hung Christmas lights over the driveway; made the first steps in modifying a CT grip for a CS9 (I hope); set up the turkey fryer and I'm about ready to start cooking.

Thank you Carrera for the bird day wishes and a good one back at you and everyone else on the forum.

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Hill Country,

I'd be interested in the Crimson Trace grips for the 3913.

Any ideas what you might charge? I want to support your initiative, entrepreneurship and craftsmanship, but I have no idea what the rate should be for such things.

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Thanks, Moose. I appreciate the kind words and support.

Yesterday I started modifying a set that will be the last (I hope) prototype. I spent a good bit of time on the first two building jigs, collecting materials and tools, and generally experimenting and this time I want to see how long it actually takes me to do the modifications. I'd like to get the time down to where I can sell them for about $100 over the cost of the CT grips. The best price I've found on the grips is $239.99 and a volume purchase might get that down a few bucks. We'll have to see how it goes, but that's what I'm shooting for. It takes me several weeks because I have to wait for the filler compounds to cure between steps, but I hope it won't be to much longer before I can give you some firm numbers. If you'll send me your email address and model needed to jeakin at airsafety.com I'll let you know.

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I'm assuming that since the 6906 is what started this, that it will be the first type available?
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Your hint that I get to work is noted. <G>

Seriously, I'll fill the orders as I received them and you're high on the list.
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6906, 908, and CS9 with CT lasers.
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Very nice work John. Have any idea on 'production' times yet?
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Thanks, I'm very pleased with them. What started out as simply a way to put a CT laser on a single weapon has taken on a life of its own. <G>

Last week my CT supplier emailed me that CT is going up on all their prices after the first of the year so I ordered his entire stock plus a few more. The first box came in today's mail so I guess production starts tomorrow. I have to stop several times and allow things to cure for a few days so it will be several weeks before the first production models are ready.

I PM'ed the mod last week to see how far I could go selling in the forum, but haven't heard from him. <hint, hint, mod> But I think it is safe to tell you that I'll be sending out an email in the next few days with details to all the people who expressed interest in the CT grips. (If there is anyone interested who hasn't sent me their email address, please do. jeakin at airsafety.com)

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I have a 908 and I was wondering how you managed to put CT lasergrips on it.
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Wish I had an easy answer for you. I started with the CT grips for the 59xx series and cut them down. I first did a 6906 - a doublestack - then figured out how to do a singlestack. The CS9 was the real challenge because the grip is so short that it interferes with the circuit board.

There was lots of trial and error. I typed up my notes - one line per step - and it is more than two pages, if that tells you anything. The masterswitch has to be removed and filled. The inside has to be ground out and new locating points built. I built jigs to cut the length and edge and locate the retention screw.

It has been kind of a fun challenge, but I wouldn't do it again. However, I really like the CT laser and it has been worth the pain.

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Isn't the 908 larger than the CS9?
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I looked and the 908 is slightly larger than the CS9 so wouldn't that make the 908 easier to build a custom grip than a CS9?
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Sending an email regarding a set of 908 grips now, with my work email. This is awesome.

John, thanks for the quick response. I don't know why CT didn't manufacture grips for the 3913/908's, but I am glad someone figured it out. Looking forward to the grips.
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I'm finishing up a batch of modified Crimson Trace lasergrips today and have a CS9 model left if anyone needs it. $355 including 2 day shipping (plus tax if in Texas).

I'm going to do one more batch which will all probably be for the 39xx series, but could also be for the 69xx series if you let me know in the next couple of days.

SWMBO tells me I'm going to work on some of her projects when I get these grips done so this may be your last chance for a good while (she has a long list for me, plus this is interfering with my range time <G>). The CS9 is ready to go, but normal delivery is three to four weeks minimum.

Here are the three model families we can modify the Crimson Trace lasergrips to fit:
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Hi John,

I have a S&W 6906 which i use for CCW. Have been looking for a laser for quite a while. I'm very interested. Please send info, price, ect. Have you ever tried to put one of laserlyte rear sight laser's on a 6906?
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Awesome, thanks for the pics.
I lack the courage to cut on grips that cost that much, well... cause I'm a spaz yanno.
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Here's a pic of the CT grips on the 6906. Made by John..
It's not a great pic, but you can see the fit.
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A number of people have contacted me recently to ask when I am going to modify another batch of Crimson Trace laser grips for the compact 9mm frames so I guess it is about time.

I've found that there is the most demand for 39xx models so I'll probably concentrate on them and they'll go first come, first served. The 69xx and CS9 models move a little slower and I hate to sit on a lot of inventory so I'm thinking I'll just make them to order.

So if you've been considering a CT grip for your 3d gen Smith, now is the time. I probably won't do another batch until next fall - it was 80* today and my shop is not air conditioned. <G> If you'll let me know next week what you need, I'll get the stock grips ordered and they should be ready sometime in late April. You can PM me or jeakin at airsafety dot com

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Seriously, I'll fill the orders as I received them and you're high on the list.
Hey John, read your latest thread re: the laser grips. I'll send anyone to you that has a need.

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id love a pair of CT for my 3953s.
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Let me know in the next week and I'll get you fixed up with a set.

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I bought a set of these grips from John about 6 weeks ago. There was a problem with grips - a gap at the rear. After a couple of phone calls and a little further tweaking on my part, I sent them back to John, fearing that I might damage them. He returned them in about 10 days and they fit perfectly now. Laser works as advertised. He even threw in a second plastic adapter and battery pack.

John is a gentleman to deal with and stands behind his product.

S/F,

RAS
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Old 05-30-2012, 09:01 PM
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Is there any chance of adapting a ct grip for the (gasp) GLOCK...

PS. you can find a lot of ct's on ebay..;

PS I have thought of trying to fit one of the CT'S Gluck's to my 3913.

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