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Old 11-13-2011, 06:05 PM
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Talking Two S&W 1006s in a 4 Gun 10mm Head to Head Shoot-Out! >>

Here are the four contestants:

1) S&W Model 1006 with Fixed Novak Night Sights
2) Glock Model 20SF with Lone Wolf 6" Barrel
2) Grayguns Custom SIG P220 converted to 10mm
4) S&W Model 1006 with Adjustable Sights



The two S&W 1006s and the SIG P220 were shot single-action, and of course the Glock 20SF was not! I fired five shot groups with each pistol alternately, at 15 yards, two-handed, offhand, using Hornady 180 grain XTP ammo. I picked one magazine to use with each gun and loaded only the five shots I was going to take.



1) The S&W 1006 with the Fixed Novak Night Sights has a good double and single action trigger and a very good sight picture. It seems fairly accurate, and can shoot anything, light loads to heavy hunting loads. Its only fault is the single action trigger pull is inconsistent, sometimes lighter sometimes heavier. It's not a huge difference but enough to affect its ultimate accuracy.



2) The Glock 20SF, with the 6 inch Lone Wolf Barrel is very easy to shoot. I find the sights very easy to use, although I cannot say why, and although (as the only double-action only pistol) the trigger pull is heavier than the rest it is very consistent and easy to control. This pistol is the most consistently accurate, in my experience, almost every group was like the one I am showing, where the other guns often had 'flyers' probably due to lack of trigger control. The Glock is also very light and has 15 round magazines!



3) My new Grayguns P220-10mm is also a sweet shooter. The heaviest gun in the group with the best trigger, in either double action or single action, I think it has great accuracy potential. Built on a Match Elite with a 5 inch barrel, the adjustable sights are also one of the best in the group, perhaps just slightly better than the Glock sights, big black and sharp, very easy to see. Very little felt recoil, this is probably the best gun for shooting quickly.



4) My second S&W 1006 has the factory adjustable sights which are a little small, but still quite precise. This poor weapon has something terribly wrong with it's single action trigger pull, which very loose and wiggles from side to side, then hits an obstacle, bumps past that, then is loose again until it begins to bear on the sear. Yikes! But once you get there the break is clean and this pistol is very accurate, noticeably more so than it's fixed sight brother. If I can get the trigger sorted this tank will be a very nice tool!



Well, that's what I did this morning! Well, first I made over-easy fried eggs and served them on creamed spinach, then I replaced the headlights on my truck, but *then* I rolled out to the range and had some fun!

I was unable to get to the 25/50 yard pistol range, they were having a Bowling Pin Shoot and they close the road to the "big" pistol range because they shoot right at that road when they do the Bowling Pin shooting. So no rested shooting at 25 yards and stuff, but that will give me something to do next time!

Thanks for reading!

- Thomas
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:17 PM
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Looks great that Sig 220 project looks like a winner! How did it start? as a 45ACP? or other?

Please tell us more! Thanks for the reports!
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:28 PM
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Nice! Could you take another pic with all 4 together for a family portrait to see a size comparison.
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Old 11-14-2011, 09:45 AM
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What's wrong with the 1006 trigger is that the trigger play spring is either loose, broken, or missing.
If you press the trigger double action, and then keep pressure on it till it resets, then repeat, you'll never notice it.
Otherwise, you need a little brass spring, with a rivet that holds it in place.
This is both very common and not a big deal.
Best of luck, and I have to say, a Sig 220 in 10mm makes me want a Sig 220.
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Old 11-14-2011, 09:54 AM
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Thanks squidsix,

I went to the Brownells site, and noticed the rivet! Uht-oh, that sounds like something I could mess up easy!

But I called Novak, and they would be happy to work on my S&W1006s, replacing the spring on the new one and working on the actions of both of them!

Sounds like the guns might be gone for a few months, but it's not like I don't have other 10mm pistols I can play with!

- Thomas
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Old 11-14-2011, 11:15 AM
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Looks great that Sig 220 project looks like a winner! How did it start? as a 45ACP? or other?

Please tell us more! Thanks for the reports!
Hi Shadow,

Yes, the base gun was a SIG P220 Match Elite in .45 ACP, DA/SA with SIGs Short Reset Trigger (SRT) and a five inch barrel. Grayguns used a Bar-sto barrel and some custom magazines to convert the gun to shoot the 10mm cartridge. They may have had to modify other parts, I don't know. They also sent the guns out out have a "Superblack" refinishing, which is supposed to a surface hardening process as well as making the guns black. I also opted to have them do a Nickel-Teflon plating on the internal parts.

Kinda of a "folly" really, when you consider the expense, and that you can just buy an old S&W 1006 or a new Glock 20 and get pretty much the same performance. The trigger won't be as nice as the Grayguns P220 conversion, but the S&W and Glock triggers can be worked on too, for less than the expense of the conversion. But the GGI P220-10 is a very nice looking "mistake"!

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Thanks squidsix,

I went to the Brownells site, and noticed the rivet! Uht-oh, that sounds like something I could mess up easy! ..................
- Thomas
Actually, If you can detail strip the weapon to get the drawbar assembly out, replacing the spring and rivet, is fairly simple. Punch out the old rivet, removing the broken spring, then insert the new rivet in the spring and drawbar.(Make sure the spring is facing the right direction) Then support the rivet and brad the end.

As mechaninally disinclined as I am, I had no problem with it.
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Thomas, thanks for the details about the Sig 220 mod. I totally understand the cost factor of skilled labor and machined parts.
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