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Old 03-05-2013, 09:09 PM
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A friend bought a early model 5906 from me a few months back after shooting it first. The only issue was an apparent FTE. We tried new recoil springs, different mags, many types of ammo and bullet weights and the problem persisted. I figured a weak extractor spring or chipped/broken extractor. So off the gun went to S&W and after a couple of months, he heard back today that their initial diagnosis was incorrect and the gun had a cracked frame. This gun looked almost new and wasn't showing any of the typical wear a high mileage gun would have, yet S&W said it was a cracked frame. Has anyone seen a 5906 with a cracked frame?
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:48 PM
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I suppose anything is possible, but after handling my "new" 5906 yesterday, it's hard for me to imagine.
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Old 03-06-2013, 12:34 AM
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I suppose anything is possible, but after handling my "new" 5906 yesterday, it's hard for me to imagine.
Me too. I am an original owner of one too. Did I forget to mention, they are sending him a new M&P 9mm in place of the 5906.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:47 AM
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Me too. I am an original owner of one too. Did I forget to mention, they are sending him a new M&P 9mm in place of the 5906.
Of course 5906's are long out of production, and it's great that S&W is trying to help him with the replacement instead of just saying "so sorry", but I'd be asking if they had any LE overrun 3rd Gens in their vault as a replacement.
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:23 PM
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Great warranty service, even though it's OUT of warranty
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:02 PM
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Great warranty service, even though it's OUT of warranty
Yah, he's stoked.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:11 PM
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I find it very hard to believe as well. I've seen wore out 5906's that ate a steady diet of +P+ that didn't have any problems.

I'd ask for my 5906 back and take it to a gunsmith for a second opinion. No way I'd accept that M&P 9 in place of a 5906. Regards 18DAI
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:58 PM
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Of course 5906's are long out of production, and it's great that S&W is trying to help him with the replacement instead of just saying "so sorry", but I'd be asking if they had any LE overrun 3rd Gens in their vault as a replacement.
I'd take that M&P in an instant. Then I'd sell it and start shopping for another 5906. With the way things are now, I'd probably have cash left over.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:04 PM
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I find it very hard to believe as well. I've seen wore out 5906's that ate a steady diet of +P+ that didn't have any problems.

I'd ask for my 5906 back and take it to a gunsmith for a second opinion. No way I'd accept that M&P 9 in place of a 5906. Regards 18DAI
Surely you don't think they saw this as an opportunity get one of those old 3rd Gens off the street and get a M&P into the hands of one of the unwashed?

I wouldn't take it either, though if they had an overrun CHP or WVSP contract gun I'd make that trade.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:27 PM
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Well maybe they should just give him back his ol' cracked frame gun and save themselves some cash. But then,they would be trashed on the S&W forum for not doing the right thing.
Damned either way.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:35 PM
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Well maybe they should just give him back his ol' cracked frame gun and save themselves some cash. But then,they would be trashed on the S&W forum for not doing the right thing.
Damned either way.
I believe I said in a earlier post that I thought it was great what S&W was doing. It's just not trade I'd be interested in.

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Old 03-06-2013, 07:18 PM
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I'm no metallurgist and I'm not saying S&W is lying but I've read of aluminum frames cracking but never a steel one.
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Old 09-21-2013, 08:51 AM
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I'm no metallurgist and I'm not saying S&W is lying but I've read of aluminum frames cracking but never a steel one.
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Old 09-21-2013, 08:07 PM
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Methinks someone in the S&W Warranty Department knows what he's got and is acting accordingly.
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:33 AM
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The fact remains though that the Houlton plant is still chiming out 5946NYPD pieces, changing the fire control from DAO too TDA shouldn't be all that hard (if they still have said parts on hand), and mating his slide with a new frame.
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Old 09-22-2013, 03:56 AM
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The fact remains though that the Houlton plant is still chiming out 5946NYPD pieces, changing the fire control from DAO too TDA shouldn't be all that hard (if they still have said parts on hand), and mating his slide with a new frame.
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Although they are still making contract 5946 models, the fact is, the frames are VERY different, not just the fire control parts. Here is a side by side comparison of a model 5943 (alloy, yes, but dimensionally the same as a 5946), and a 5906. Pay particular attention to the area behind the hammer, you can clearly see the vast difference in the DAO frame versus TDA.....Guns ARE mechanical machines, and are operated by the most violent of means (controlled explosion), and although not common, failures simply happen.
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Old 09-22-2013, 05:07 AM
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Can a firearm be shipped to Guam or do they have to be purchased locally?
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Old 09-22-2013, 05:45 AM
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They look like the same thing, only different!

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Although they are still making contract 5946 models, the fact is, the frames are VERY different, not just the fire control parts. Here is a side by side comparison of a model 5943 (alloy, yes, but dimensionally the same as a 5946), and a 5906. Pay particular attention to the area behind the hammer, you can clearly see the vast difference in the DAO frame versus TDA.....Guns ARE mechanical machines, and are operated by the most violent of means (controlled explosion), and although not common, failures simply happen.
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It's like holding the thread up to a mirror and clicking the link...
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:34 PM
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I am in Canada and have two 5946's a 5906 and a 5904. One of the 5946's has a cracked frame in the same spot, and a friend has a 5906 (that I sold him years ago) with the same problem. The earliest 5946 did not have a heat treated frame, so it will crack. Smith is aware of the problem, and I would think the 5906 was a first gen and probably was not heat treated as well. Later versions are heat treated and do not have this problem. I am getting my 5946 tig welded and back in service soon, as Smith won't replace the frame except for original owners.
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I can't imagine a cracked frame on a 5906 unless you took a sledge hammer to it. Mine is built like a tank, and so have been all the other ones I have seen and shot.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:27 PM
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I am in Canada and have two 5946's a 5906 and a 5904. One of the 5946's has a cracked frame in the same spot, and a friend has a 5906 (that I sold him years ago) with the same problem. The earliest 5946 did not have a heat treated frame, so it will crack. Smith is aware of the problem, and I would think the 5906 was a first gen and probably was not heat treated as well. Later versions are heat treated and do not have this problem. I am getting my 5946 tig welded and back in service soon, as Smith won't replace the frame except for original owners.
Oh gee, 2 more cracked frames, that makes 4, at least. Pretty soon they'll catch up to the reported IL failures.
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I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL CRACKED FRAMES. STAINLESS AND ALLOY IN THE S&W 3RD GENERATION. 9MM, .40 & .45 ,EVERYONE OF THEM HAD A SINGLE THING IN COMMON. THE OWNERS HAD NEVER CHANGED THE RECOIL SPRING. WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THEY LAST FOREVER. IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RECRUIT TRAINING MANUAL THAT ATTENTION NEEDED TO BE PLACED ON THE SPRING REPLACEMENT. OF BOTH THE RECOIL SPRING AND MAGAZINE SPRINGS.

YEARS OF SHOOTING WILL WEAKEN AND SHORTEN THE SPRING CAUSING THE FRAME TO TAKE THE BRUNT OF THE RECOIL ENERGY. THE METAL BECOMES WORK HARDENED, FATIGUES AND THAN FAILS.

THAT BEING SAID I HAVE SEEN CRACKED FRAMES ON SIGS, GLOCK'S (THEIR SLIDES CRACK ALSO), COLTS, BERETTA'S, ECT.

IN A GUN MAG A FEW YEARS AGO (20 OR MORE) I SAW THE BEST ADVISE I HAD EVER SEEN ABOUT RECOIL SPRINGS. IT STATED TO BUY AN EXTRA NEW RECOIL SPRING WITH EACH NEW GUN. EVERY TIME YOU CLEAN YOU PISTOL COMPARE THE NEW SPRING TO THE ONE BEING USED. WHEN THE USED SPRING IN USE IS 2 COILS SHORTER THAN THE NEW SPRING; REPLACE IT AND ORDER ANOTHER NEW SPRING. SOLID ADVISE
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:26 PM
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I love my 5906, I'd cry like a baby if something happened to it. Just shot 98% the other day in qualifications.
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