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Generally regarded as the first "wondernine" pistol, the S&W Model 59 was introduced to the commercial market in 1971.

A fourteen-shot 9mm semiauto was first conceived in 1964, and two experimental models were made. Then in 1968, the U.S. Navy requested a small number of 14-shot pistols. These were examined, but the Navy's requirement for stainless steel and other special features quelled the project for a while. A small number of suppressed pistols were made for the Navy; these had a mechanism to lock the slide when fired, and were dubbed "Hush puppies" for their sometime role of putting down guard dogs silently.

The first 14-shot variations of the Model 39 were crafted in June, 1969, but the commercial pistols which were designated as Model 59s were first marketed on June 8, 1971.

The first 200 pistols had "clean" front and back straps, but all later production had grooved straps, front and back. About half of the first ones were subsequently grooved, so only about 100 now exist with smooth straps.

In order to keep the circumference of the grip area as slim as possible, the wooden stocks of the Model 39 were abandoned, and high-impact plastic stocks were substituted. The humped rear strap of the Model 39 was also scrapped, and a straight rear strap was substituted in the interest of keeping the size of the grip area to a minimum.

The top ends of the Model 39s and the Model 59s are interchangeable; only the lower frames differ.

The Model 59 became a hot item when introduced. It was in particular demand by law enforcement agencies, many of which were transitioned to semiautos from revolvers with this pistol. A lot of later versions based on this gun came out of S&W, many in stainless and with different magazine capacities.

I bought this particular pistol new in the box in 1977; it was originally shipped in September, 1976.

The Model 59 was history-making, and good specimens are prime collector items today. Hope you enjoy the photos and some of the Model 59's history.

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Love its serial number!

My Model 59 is slightly newer being A476XXX and is in the Nickel finish.
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I bought a fairly early one (A1708xx) in 1993, supposed to be unfired post-factory and looks it. It has the smooth front strap and serrated backstrap, apparently one of the first 200 made. Some previous knuckehead had sealed the box with nylon strapping tape; otherwise the box would be mint, too.
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I bought a fairly early one (A1708xx) in 1993, supposed to be unfired post-factory and looks it. It has the smooth front strap and serrated backstrap, apparently one of the first 200 made. Some previous knuckehead had sealed the box with nylon strapping tape; otherwise the box would be mint, too.
A picture would be great!!!!

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Bought my first one in 75....still have it.....had a 5904 as a duty weapon for several years, then as an armorer / instructor I had 250 of them to care for.....We had those guns along with 659's for 10 years and my training guns had thousands of rounds put through them.....good solid guns.
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Nice weapons.

That being said-yeah, I'm gonna be "that guy" -the ergonomics of the 59 sucked, in comparison to the 39 and its derivatives. The Third Gen fixed most of the sticking points, but my gripes relate to field stripping and the trigger pull.

The single stack gun gives you enough reach to haul back the heavy DA trigger: the 59's width denies that option. I've got big hands, and on the 659 I have haul back 10+ pounds with the tip of my finger. Not fun, AND it stacks, so it's the perfect trigger to lean on a shot with.

Granted, metal frame double stack guns won't be narrow, especially ones made in the 70s. But the field strip procedure BLOWS on the double stack guns. My 539 has the same exact process to take down, but -again-the narrow frame means you can take it apart with just two hands, and not three as the Model 59 requires.

Please don't take this as an indictment of the gun. It's a quality product, br there's a reason a third gen sits in my safe instead of a 659. 1 week before Newtown, I spotted a 659 at a quiet gun shop for a good price. I was pumped until I dry fired the thing. After two pulls it felt like I just lifted a car battery with my index finger.
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Thanks John - lately I've become more and more interested in acquiring a 39 and/or 59 - they are really sharp looking.
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Nice weapons.

That being said-yeah, I'm gonna be "that guy" -the ergonomics of the 59 sucked, in comparison to the 39 and its derivatives. The Third Gen fixed most of the sticking points, but my gripes relate to field stripping and the trigger pull.

The single stack gun gives you enough reach to haul back the heavy DA trigger: the 59's width denies that option. I've got big hands, and on the 659 I have haul back 10+ pounds with the tip of my finger. Not fun, AND it stacks, so it's the perfect trigger to lean on a shot with.

Granted, metal frame double stack guns won't be narrow, especially ones made in the 70s. But the field strip procedure BLOWS on the double stack guns. My 539 has the same exact process to take down, but -again-the narrow frame means you can take it apart with just two hands, and not three as the Model 59 requires.

Please don't take this as an indictment of the gun. It's a quality product, br there's a reason a third gen sits in my safe instead of a 659. 1 week before Newtown, I spotted a 659 at a quiet gun shop for a good price. I was pumped until I dry fired the thing. After two pulls it felt like I just lifted a car battery with my index finger.
To each their own of course but i like the grip thickness of those guns. In fact I'd prefer it a bit thicker, something like a Glock 21. I have large(er) hands but i also have long fingers and need large grips to take up all that finger space otherwise i cant use the tip of ny finger to pull the trigger straight back. The trigger finger either cant move back anymore or has to curl around and in. This is why i hate small guns unless their trigger is really far foraward. (Weird i know). Anyway, with thick grips it becomes just a short trigger pull for me

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I think I had the first one in Wyoming.. Carried it for a while on the Patrol, but didn't have much faith in the cartridge for my purposes and traded it off for something I probably don't have anymore.
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I would argue that the first "wondernine" was the Browning Hi Power. I once owned a model 59 and "wondered" why I bought it.
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I have to go with PALADIN85920’s vocabulary. John Browning’s 13 shot and the French MAB PA-15 15 shot both preceded the 59 and neither single actions aroused enough contempt in Jeff Cooper and his buddies for them to scorn them as “wondernines.” It took a double action trigger to boil their blood.

While I didn't strongly dislike them, I couldn’t get attached to the 59. I wasn’t thrilled with the cartridge, aluminum frames or especially the boxy grip. They did have a very short trigger reset and good single action trigger pulls, plus I don’t remember mine jamming. The flood of police surplus 5906s made my 59 so affordable that it’s hard to see them as collector items, but it‘s been awhile.

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Picked up my '79 Mod 59 used mid '79 for cheap. Grip is thick for my small hands but top game in town at the time. So I shot it enough to stop thinking about the grips or the trigger, then came the newer 2nd and 3rd gens, the old 59 still ran perfect so didn't upgrade. Then the poly wonders arrived and very cool and light but my 59 still ran perfect so didn't upgrade. Now its 2013 and the only 9MM I have is my old 59 that still runs perfect with ALL ammo. Carry my 59 in a '79 Bianchi X15 shoulder rig when can wear a jacket and my 10-5 snubbie under a shirt when not. Guess I'm just old fashioned. Interested in all the new and enjoy shooting my friends but really they do nothing my oldies can't
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My first center fire firearm was a S&W Model 59. In 1975. I walked into the local gun shop, paid cash, showed them my driver's license, and walked out with a new 9mm. Those sure were the good old days.

I put more than 30,000 rounds through it, using my cast lead bullets. When the stainless 659 became avvailable, I traded in my Model 59 for more than I paid for it. The slide was pretty loose on the frame by then, but it still shot very well.

I put a fully adjustable Miniature Machine Co. rear sight on My Model 59. It was a LOT of fun to shoot. At 20 yards, it fired 1 1/2 inch groups, with the cast bullets. Jacketed bullets gave me about 1" groups, but I couldn't afford to shoot them regularly.

Back then, I could reload a box of 9mm for $1. Primer, powder, and bullet. Two cents a round. And, a LOT of time. I was casting one bullet at a time, and then they needed to be inspected, and then sized and lubricated, on a Lyman sizing press.

I had a single stage reloading press, as well. It certainly wasn't fast, but it worked well. I didn't even have a carbide sizing die; I had to lube the cases before sizing them. Messy. I found out a sizing die was good for about 20,000 rounds. They you have to buy a new one.

I bought a Browning HiPower 2 years later, with the factory adjustable rear sights, and found it wasn't as accurate as the S&W Model 59, though it did function almost perfectly right out of the box.

The Model 59 took a fair amount of ammunition, a few hundred rounds, to 'break in' properly. The Browning only needed about 50 rounds. The grip on the Browning is much slimmer, too, than the grip on the Model 59.

I liked the Model 59 better.
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I have to go with PALADIN85920’s vocabulary. John Browning’s 13 shot and the French MAB PA-15 15 shot both preceded the 59 and neither single actions aroused enough contempt in Jeff Cooper and his buddies for them to scorn them as “wondernines.” It took a double action trigger to boil their blood.

While I didn't strongly dislike them, I couldn’t get attached to the 59. I wasn’t thrilled with the cartridge, aluminum frames or especially the boxy grip. They did have a very short trigger reset and good single action trigger pulls, plus I don’t remember mine jamming. The flood of police surplus 5906s made my 59 so affordable that it’s hard to see them as collector items, but it‘s been awhile.
So what did Jeff Cooper think of the 1911?
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So what did Jeff Cooper think of the 1911?
jeff cooper's five facts of 1911 life: John Browning?s revolutionary semiautomatic pistol was still being used like a Colt six-shooter until Jeff Cooper came along.
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Hey there guys, I'm new to the forum - just had a question. I bought an old M59 today from the son of a collector who passed away, never fired - box, papers, even the original S&W wax paper it was wrapped in, and 2 magazines. Serial starts with 407. I bought this as my CC sidearm, but from what I've been reading, it seems like maybe I shouldn't fire this thing and ruin its value. Thoughts? I've bought 3 boxes of ammo and some dummy rounds - so I'm waiting for target practice tomorrow. Any advice is appreciated.
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I would argue that the first "wondernine" was the Browning Hi Power. I once owned a model 59 and "wondered" why I bought it.
Yep! First "wonder nine" was the Browning High Power aka P35. Introduced in 1935. 14 shots on tap. I've owned one since 1972.
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Yep! First "wonder nine" was the Browning High Power aka P35. Introduced in 1935. 14 shots on tap. I've owned one since 1972.
That is a common misconception. The Browning HP had a larger than usual magazine. That was only one element. Commercial double stack mags actually go back to the Savage 1907 pocket pistol - "10 shots quick."

The "wondernine" label came about with the Model 59, which combined the double action feature of the P.38 and the Model 39 with a high-cap magazine similar to that of the Browning HP. The first of the breed.

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Apparently, the early features were not strictly linier in production sequence. I have A1705XX NIB and it has serrated front and back straps.

I have A1803XX that has been shot a lot and used as a "house gun" for thirty years. Contrary to what some say, I love the grip feel and especially the "pointability" of the Model 59. It is truly a "Wonder 9!"
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That being said-yeah, I'm gonna be "that guy" -the ergonomics of the 59 sucked, in comparison to the 39 and its derivatives. The Third Gen fixed most of the sticking points, but my gripes relate to field stripping and the trigger pull.
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Also, I find the slide mounted decocker/safety unusable. It is unreachable with the thumb of my shooting hand without drastically shifting my grip.
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Also, I find the slide mounted decocker/safety unusable. It is unreachable with the thumb of my shooting hand without drastically shifting my grip.
I also dont like the placement of the thumb safety but the good thing about them is they are not necessary. I use my only for decocking what i chamber a round. Its ON, OFF, done

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I also dont like the placement of the thumb safety but the good thing about them is they are not necessary. I use my only for decocking what i chamber a round. Its ON, OFF, done

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Hey there guys, I'm new to the forum - just had a question. I bought an old M59 today from the son of a collector who passed away, never fired - box, papers, even the original S&W wax paper it was wrapped in, and 2 magazines. Serial starts with 407. I bought this as my CC sidearm, but from what I've been reading, it seems like maybe I shouldn't fire this thing and ruin its value. Thoughts? I've bought 3 boxes of ammo and some dummy rounds - so I'm waiting for target practice tomorrow. Any advice is appreciated.
Kygirl, I think you answered your own question. If you don't use it then you could be just like the original owner. Die with out ever using it and your son can sell it. When I pass I what all my pistols to be well used just like myself.
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KYGirl, your money, your choice. If the gun appeals to you, shoot it. But I think there are better guns now for an everyday carry piece than the 59, so if you would like to "save" it as part of a collection, that wouldn't be a bad idea either.
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KYgirl,

I'll put my two bits in here just for giggles. First off, I speak from the standpoint of a collector. Collectors value unfired, new in the box guns that have never seen a busted cap since they left the factory. Even common models are materially increased in value. Passed on to future generations, these guns tell us what they looked like when they were on the dealers' shelves so many years ago.

Guns that have been shot are a different matter. They still may be collectible, but are not as valued. They make fun objects from a shooting standpoint. I myself will not shoot a gun that has come to me unfired - I will keep it for the admiration of future generations, and I would hope it would be kept pristine. Check the auction houses to see how the values of these guns increase over the years. Such guns are money in the bank and will always find ready buyers.

I have more than a few guns, and I enjoy shooting, but if I acquire a gun in the condition of yours, it goes in the safe, to be admired, photographed and written about. Your gun and your call - just know the consequences of firing it for the sake of a few moments of sturm und drang; donder und blitzen.

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Thanks for all the advice, guys. I really like the way it feels in my hand, so I decided to break it in and give it a new life. I know some people haven't had great things to say about it, but it feels completely solid shooting - great grip for my hand and love the feel of the trigger. Accurate as can be.
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I picked up this model 59 LNIB unfired 2 years ago and it went in the safe. It was purchased solely as a collection piece and a future investment. There are literally thousands of old 59 shooter grade pistols for me to buy and shoot if I please, I also have a Model 39 no dash from 1959. (It was fired very little) In the safe...along side a 39-2 I paid $200 for last year at a gun show that is a little beat up. That one I take to the range and keep it as a shooter.
My strategy or method of gun acquisitions is always buy or try to buy 2 guns if I buy a collectible safe Queen. One stays in the safe the other is carried or shot at will. It keeps me from being tempted to shoot what is an investment. They are always much cheaper than a safe queen and in the case of some truly catastrophic "prepper event" I have more guns to sell or spare parts for the ones I keep. (I just thought that last one up).

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Maybe a little late on this one but, I bought my first and only M59 on 6.01.76.
Ser. # A344XXX.
LE price at the time w/NJ sales tax was $157.16.
I actually bought two, one was for my Brother who at the time was not yet 21 so he could buy from an FFL.
The two M59s worked OK but only with certain ammo.
A couple of years later, my old PD purchased 12 M59s for our Special Operations Unit (SWAT).
Those 12 pistols were jam-O-matics!!! They were only 100% reliable with ball ammo.
The PD eventually traded them off.
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you just spoke to my same issues with the 59,and it's my first handgun. I liked it in my hand from the start, but yeah the trigger pulls hard and I still don't have the hang of the trigger pull. Is it like a compound bow vs a recurve? And I was toying with the idea of smaller grips, is it possible?
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[IMG][/IMG] my first S&W love. Since 1980 I wanted this gun and didn't buy it till 2010 lnib. This was the first time shooting it at my brother's farm.awesomeness.oh did you notice the vintage nyclads in the spare magazine. They shot flawlessly that day.
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[IMG][/IMG] here is the above pistol in its box with spare magazine.I really don't think any other pistol fits the hand better or naturally points better than 59 series.
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you just spoke to my same issues with the 59,and it's my first handgun. I liked it in my hand from the start, but yeah the trigger pulls hard and I still don't have the hang of the trigger pull. Is it like a compound bow vs a recurve? And I was toying with the idea of smaller grips, is it possible?
The polymer factory stocks are about as slim as are possible. Also the rear grip recurve of the Model 39 was scrapped to give less circumference to the grip frame. About the only way you'd be able to reduce this is to take the stocks off completely.

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I have to agree with Paladin and mbliss.....

I don't really consider myself a "collector" but over the years I have "collected" a number of what I call "gun shop saves".......ranging from a Registered Magnum and a 1955/56 Pre-39 ( now living in Ohio LOL) to unfired; Interarms Blue Walther PPK and Beretta 92SB (bright blue) compact Type M(single stack).

All were anib or 95%+.... all were 25 years old or older, the price was right and they deserved to be preserved. Like mbliss I've got my shooters..... so maybe I'm preserving some history .......... or just have a nice savings account that pays more than .2%
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Finding a NIB 59 would be a thrill for me. I'm not really a collector but when I do happen upon a NIB or ANIB gun I usually put it away without firing.

I will be facing this dilemma very soon when i pick up my unfired (post factory), in box 4566. Like KYgirl's 59, the 4566 was bought new by a collector and kept unfired for the past 20 years. It doesn't have the same panache as a 39 or 59, but where are you going to find another one in like condition? Yesterday I had made up my mind to shoot it. Today I'm leaning toward putting it in the safe. Tomorrow? Who knows? Also, I have numerous other 45s to shoot including a 4516-2 and a 4506.
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I have a 559, carbon steel frame. Have had several other 59`s and thrird gen 59xx`s and some 39`s too. It is a great shooter and just fun to own.
New guns have become like new cars. They all bear the same appearance. The 39`s and 59`s were unique.
They shoot well, some are fussy about ammo, some not.
IMHO, the thumb safety, mag disconnect and DA first shot are proven life savers. Maybe a little distracting but in real life, effective. They were designed for police and civilian self defense, not target pistols.
I hope you enjoy your new 59.
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I like the look of the S&W 915 and 910 far better than any of the other double stacked Models 39.




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I was a very young Police Officer when the Model 59 first hit the Law Enforcement Market in the early 1970's and being a double action High Cap. 9mm L., I had to have one. I already had a Model 39-2 and loved it and thought the Model 59 would be simply a double stack Model 39. I finally got one of the first Model 59's to hit the California Law Enforcement Market. I took it out and found out that it was not just a double stack Model 39! The trigger pull was terrible and had a funny sound when you pulled the trigger like a "toy gun" , we called it a "Mattel gun" for quite awhile. A number of us LEO's had purchased it and no one could shoot it very well.... The one thing it did was carry a high capacity magazine but this was the 1970's and good 9mm L. ammunition was basically Super Vel.... I lost confidence in this handgun and unloaded it quickly (I wish I had it now!). I decided to go to a caliber that I really liked and went to a S & W Model 25-2 .45 ACP Revolver (using half moon clips in it). I could use the Speer 200 grain "Flying Ashtray" round (that would not always feed in the Colt 1911). I carried that 6 1/2" barreled Model 25-2 Revolver in a Hoyt Breakfront Holster and I thought it "got no better than that" for quite awhile. In 1983, we got a new Police Chief who thought "progressive" meant going to a "Wonder 9 Handgun"and by this time, he purchased the S & W Model 659 Handgun, for the Department, which was quite an improvement over the Model 59 (at least I thought so). In over a decade, ammunition had improved a great deal and we could use a good 124 grain 9mm L. JHP round in the Model 659. I purchased my own Model 659 and had a Bar-Sto Match 9mm L. Barrel installed in this duty handgun along with a trigger action job and Millett Sights and I was good to go until the .40 S & W and Model 4006 handgun came out in 1990, which we went to as a duty handgun ........
I know it sounds funny but I loved the S & W Model 39-2, not so much the Model 59 but liked the Model 659 and really liked the Model 4006 when it came out..... Just my 2 cents worth on the issue.....
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Ah, crunchentickers.
When it comes to 59 series crunchentickers, I prefer the 3rd gen 59 and 69.
With 39s, I like all 3 gens.
With .45s, I like any and all.
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In about 1976 I saw a M59 that was locked up and destroyed. It seems that high pressure 9mm sub. ammo was used.
Luckily no one was injured.
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really like my 59,thousands of rounds and not a single ,ftf or fte, easily tears down with two hands . the uncle mike`s grips slim it down some .mine shoots everything I feed it .just my opinion .
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Common misperception, but no. The first "wondernine" (a hi-cap double-column mag 9mm combined with double action), was the model 59. The High Power was single action only.

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OK, so to be a 'Wonder-9' is not just hi capacity? It needs to be DA/SA fire control? Interesting.
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Yep. The term "wonder-nine" did not exist before the Model 59 came to be. For the High Power to be one, we would have heard it as early as 1935. The hi-cap magazine was only half the formula.

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That's a beautiful gun! I remember the excitement when that gun came out. It was really something, but despite the increased capacity, I never cared for it as much as the 39. The 39 felt too good was just too handsome.
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Ah the model 59, the very first handgun I purchased the day of my 21st birthday. Shot many thousands of rounds through it. Lent it to a girlfriend at the time and it was stolen by her druggy brother who sold it for some crack. Miss that gun, but not the girlfriend!


I thought this one of mine was the first wondernine?

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Ah the model 59, the very first handgun I purchased the day of my 21st birthday. Shot many thousands of rounds through it. Lent it to a girlfriend at the time and it was stolen by her druggy brother who sold it for some crack. Miss that gun, but not the girlfriend!


I thought this one of mine was the first wondernine?

The VP70 was the first pistol with a plastic frame, but its action was DA only, striker fired. It did not have DA/SA hammered capability. It had an 18-round magazine, but sadly also had an 18-pound (or more) DA only trigger pull. The "Z," or civilian model, was semiauto only, the "M" or military model, could fire 3-shot bursts with its special shoulder stock. Not what one could traditionally today call a "wondernine." Totally different trigger system. It's one of the guns covered in my "101 Classic Firearms."

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