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Received this S&W awhile ago. Haven't shot it, haven't really did much with it. Looking to identify it so I can figure out how to break it apart and to clean it and go from there. If anyone can help me identify it, would be great. Thanks!

Welcome! It looks to be a model 411, a 3rd generation semi-auto. Most of the other guns of this generation have a 4-digit model number. Hope this is helpful.

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

I agree. A 411 it should be.

It's the economy version of the 4004. Blued steel slide, alloy frame. Model 411. Takes apart just like the other 3rd Gens. Dale

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The 411 is a Value Line 3rd generation. The value line guns are identified by the first number indicating the caliber and the second and third the magazine capacity. Except for the 457 in which case the 45 indicate the caliber and the 7 the magazine capacity.

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Maybe it is the reflection from the flash, but that thing looks like it skidded across 400 yards of rough asphalt.

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Un-Reconstructed Southerner

For what it's worth, the model number may be irrelevant. Since the serial number has been obscured or removed, it's illegal.

I'd call an attorney to find out how to legally dispose of it ASAP.

Beuford

Good point - not sure if that was a metal or digital photo alteration, but if the SN is gone that is trouble.

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

Seriously? Get rid of it? I think that is a little extreme. Just shoot the heck out of it and don't worry about it. I will agree though on ot being a 411

I don't know whether getting rid of it is extreme at all, but the reaction of the BATF to guns without serial numbers generally is. Did you know that?

I'd use it as a bug-out gun. Seal it up, bury it with some ammo. Remember where it is. If **** ever hits the fan, zombies comes, society collapses, whatever, dig it up and head for the woods :P

Did you receive it as the guys were leaving the driveby? Seriously, it does appear that the serial number has been ground off. Unless I had paperwork from the BATF for it I'd let the fishes worry about how to tear it down.

Being in possession of a gun with altered or removed serial numbers is a serious crime. You have no idea of it's history; is it stolen or used in a crime? You don't want to possess it. Were it me, I'd turn it in to local L/E ASAP and be prepared to report where you obtained it.

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Dave Frost

and you've posted about it in a public forum frequented by LEOs. couldn't he dismantle for parts and turn in the frame?

Actually, that's a good question. Can anyone comment on that?

If I found such a suspicious gun, I'd certainly turn it in as well to be honest. But if it had useful parts that may work with my other guns, would it be a crime to use those?

Alex, I'll take felonies for $10K.

CONGRATULATIONS You are also eligible for up to 15 years in the Federal Pen!

As was pointed out earlier, this is no longer a secret and you are not as anonymous as you might have thought. It would probably be prudent to consider your options carefully and expediently before an avalanche of trouble buries you.

On the flip side, this should go to the top of the list for "First Posts with the Biggest Problems" award.

The assumption made when a firearm serial number is defaced is that it is stolen, and that the possessor should have known better than to accept it (the serial number removal is a pretty big "red flag"). Any use of the parts would be like stripping a possible stolen car in front of your house before you call the police. You'd be as guilty as the original thief.

CALL AN ATTORNEY! They'll know how to turn it in to police with the least potential for your incarceration. And be prepared to cooperate on locating its source.

Beuford

Anybody want to start a pool on how long it takes for law enforcement to knock on his door? Of course it might be too late for a pool as I noticed he hasn't posted again....

I'll bet there were 15 of the Fed's best storm troopers outside his door 1/2 hour after he posted his question.

Does anyone remember how they caught the BTK Killer (Dennis Rader)? He sent a television station a floppy disk containing a letter; a couple of hours later the Feds were standing in front of the very computer on which it was typed asking "Who's computer is this...?" Tracking in our digital age is far easier than most realize.

How the Cops Caught BTK - ABA Journal

If you're still out there, call an attorney.

Beuford

I'd have already stripped out anything useful and ditched the frame. Hopefully the OP is way ahead on that. Joe

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The genius who did that "work" obviously didn't know how to remove the slide stop and I'll bet he didn't know how to remove the stocks, either. I was cleaning weapons today and noticed that my 6906 and 908 also had the SN under the stock on the left side of the frame as well as above the trigger area. Strangely, my 457 only has the SN above the trigger.

It would be interesting to know if there is still a SN under the stocks on the OP's gun.

Anyone know what periods of time S&W also marked the SN under the grips?

I agree, you need to get rid of it. Wait for a no questions asked gun buy back and get $100.