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Old 01-27-2014, 08:55 PM
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I’ll need lots of help on this one. The Performance Center 3rd gens are proving hard to categorize in that many don’t have a model number on the frame and it seems that they are bill-boarded with different names on the slide than what their model number might be on the box, or than what the advertisement literature may call them.

What I’ve tried to do is compile the basic information from the SWSC, and then supplement it with information found doing searches of this forum. The SWSC was really light on semi-auto performance center variations; hopefully the next edition will be more expansive. In fact they should dedicate a catalog to the revolvers and a catalog to the semi-autos.

Also because each model number varies so much I had to break it down by product code.

If the pistol was bill-boarded, I typically used that as the model number.

I know there are errors and omissions in this list, but with the help of this forum, I’m hoping it can be cleaned up and become a good quick reference tool.


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Not a specific PC model as such but I thought I heard that when the FBI sent the 1076 back for the recall that they were run through the PC. If true given the numbers of them they may need to be on the list. Can anybody chime in?
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Model 845s have stainless slides.
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Model 845s have stainless slides.
I assumed the 845 slide was carbon steel based on the SWSC stating that the 845 was a full-target version of the 745 (which has a carbon steel slide).

I've update the 845's to show a stainless slide.
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I saved a listing, w/picture, for this gun that describes it as a "Smith & Wesson Performance Center Limited Edition .40 S&W Tactical Pistol". It's description states the same as you have, (5-1/4" Bar Sto Extended Match bbl., 1991 offering, etc) but says "limited to 500 pistols" (actually produced?). The product code is shown as 104401, which I see you have listed for several other guns too. It also stated it had the flyers detailing this model so I'd think they'd have known the proper model name, but I have no idea if it was actually called something else. Just passing this on FWIW.
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Both Shorty 45 models have three and three quarter inch barrels.

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Both Shorty 45 models have three and three quarter inch barrels.
Are you sure about the barrel length? SWSC catalog states 3.5" and I found this closed auction that shows a shorty 45 box label with 3.5":

Item:5634088 Smith & Wesson S&W 4513 Shorty 45 acp Performance Center For Sale at GunAuction.com

I know the shorty 45 was based on the 4513, which SWSC states has a 3.75" barrel, but this closed auction shows the 4513TSW with a 3.5" barrel:

Item:10029503 Smith & Wesson SMITH & WESSON 4513 TSW 45 ACP For Sale at GunAuction.com

I'm now confused... does the shorty 45 and 4513 both have 3.75" barrels, or do they both have 3.5" barrels?

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I saved a listing, w/picture, for this gun that describes it as a "Smith & Wesson Performance Center Limited Edition .40 S&W Tactical Pistol". It's description states the same as you have, (5-1/4" Bar Sto Extended Match bbl., 1991 offering, etc) but says "limited to 500 pistols" (actually produced?). The product code is shown as 104401, which I see you have listed for several other guns too. It also stated it had the flyers detailing this model so I'd think they'd have known the proper model name, but I have no idea if it was actually called something else. Just passing this on FWIW.

This thread may help. Uncommon 4006 Performance Center? New Information Added


skjos, excellent work with useful information!
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They're 3.75" barrels. I'd wager the 3.5" thing is a typo.

Same goes for the non-Shorty 4513's

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Are you sure about the barrel length? SWSC catalog states 3.5" and I found this closed auction that shows a shorty 45 box label with 3.5":

Item:5634088 Smith & Wesson S&W 4513 Shorty 45 acp Performance Center For Sale at GunAuction.com

I know the shorty 45 was based on the 4513, which SWSC states has a 3.75" barrel, but this closed auction shows the 4513TSW with a 3.5" barrel:

Item:10029503 Smith & Wesson SMITH & WESSON 4513 TSW 45 ACP For Sale at GunAuction.com

I'm now confused... does the shorty 45 and 4513 both have 3.75" barrels, or do they both have 3.5" barrels?
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I haven't had my CQBs in a while.....but I think I am right they were 8 round mags.

They were the capacity as 945.
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BMCM is correct, of course. The barrels measure as he shows.


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They're 3.75" barrels. I'd wager the 3.5" thing is a typo.....
Same typo is on this label...
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Same typo is on this label...
Yup, my box is marked exactly the same, obviously not accurate.

BTW OP, I have several 4513TSW barrels around here and they're all 3.75"

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They're 3.75" barrels. I'd wager the 3.5" thing is a typo.

Same goes for the non-Shorty 4513's

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Another S&W head scratcher... My 4013's label says 3-1/2" bbl. & my 4516-1's says 3-3/4" bbl. If you measure them from the bbl. tip to the breach end of the chamber, not the hood extension but just below it, both of them measures within 0.05" of 3-1/2". Of course the bbls. aren't really even that long either. If you measure from the chamber's shoulder, where the case mouth headspaces on, to the tip of the bbl., they're realistically 2-3/4" barrels.

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Updated shorty .45’s to 3.75 inch barrels.

Updated CQB .45’s to 08rd mags, based on SW CQB 45's post and several closed auctions showing 08rd mags (even though SWSC & BBGV state 07rd).

Per thread “The Ultimate S&W Model 52 / 952 Thread”:
- Changed 952-1 Masterpiece to 952-2 Masterpiece
- Added 952-2 5” black with polished flats
- Added 952-2 6” black with polished flats (170274)

Per thread “sw .45 cqb”:
- Added 4566 PC per post #19
- Also added estimated production quantities for the CQB models per post #12

See tread “S&W "LIMITED" .40” post #10 for a ton of performance center 40 pictures.
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Another S&W head scratcher... My 4013's label says 3-1/2" bbl. & my 4516-1's says 3-3/4" bbl. If you measure them from the bbl. tip to the breach end of the chamber, not the hood extension but just below it, both of them measures within 0.05" of 3-1/2". Of course the bbls. aren't really even that long either. If you measure from the chamber's shoulder, where the case mouth headspaces on, to the tip of the bbl., they're realistically 2-3/4" barrels.
True enough, however the standard method of measuring a selfloader's barrel is from the breechface to the crown. Since there is usually a couple thousandths clearance between the breechface and the barrel hood, to get a truly accurate measurement you use a depth instrument. Insert the instrument down the bore and with the breech closed, measure directly against the breechface to the crown. This is the most accurate method.

However, to save time and the risk of scratching something we don't want scratched by sticking hardened steel things down the bore, we just measure hood to crown and that's usually good enough.

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I have a 5906 IDPA 4" that came from the factory with a Melonite finish. S&W outsourced the finish, but it was returned to S&W, then sent out to a distributor. I found this out by by requesting a letter, but am unsure as to whether this was done to any others. Also, the total number for the 5906 IDPA 4" run according to the letter is 405.
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I have a 5906 IDPA 4" that came from the factory with a Melonite finish. S&W outsourced the finish, but it was returned to S&W, then sent out to a distributor. I found this out by by requesting a letter, but am unsure as to whether this was done to any others. Also, the total number for the 5906 IDPA 4" run according to the letter is 405.
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The SD 9 (Stocking Dealers) is built on a stainless steel 6906 frame..... came with one 12 round(6906 size/finger rest mag) and one extended 15 round mag w/ the S&W spacer .....

May have missed it in the chart; but believe there was also a SD-40 along with the SD-3

I also have 2 PC 6906s blue over silver...... but subtle differences one has checkered frame ,
one doesn't.....one IIRC has a single right hand safety one has ambi safety...... one had adjustable sights one come with Novak fixed rear....... have never been able to match them to SCS&W descriptions. Both pick up used but unfired...... know that w/ the second one the box was lost at the LGS .......both acquired mid to late 90's.

Note; there is a "Shorty Mark III" in 9mm but I have never seen a reference to a Mark I or Mark II....makes me go hummmmmm.....................now maybe the " 6906 Compact" 9mm is the Mark I but where is the Mark II??????????

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I could swear I saw a 952-3 for sale a while back, which was chambered in 9x21mm - perhaps it was an export model.
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BLUEDOT37, steered me over here, so thank him.

I just contacted Lew Horton about the Shorty 45 MK2 and received this.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/attachm...9&d=1402179011

It states that 179 Shorty 45 MK2s were made.
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I received a reply & letter (attached) back from Lew Horton on my .45 Limited.
They state they produced 435 of these from 1995-1997, in case you want to update this in your notes here.

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PC#170265 I was told 64.

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I made a series of updates based on threads trending recently and a bunch of information provided by vigil617.
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Steve, just gotta say again that you have done yeoman's work on this compilation. It is a great reference that I use often, and I'm glad I was able to help you out on an item or two. Well done!
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Steve ...... thanks for all the hard work...especially on the Shorty 9s.... up until now...... never was sure what to call; what I had......LOL
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I submit one more model...
The PC4506... Only one example made. Shipped to the LAPD in 1998.



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For what it's worth, my 4" DPA5906 (DPA02xx) came with the reduced capacity PC ten round mags. Received it about Feb/Mar 1998, the PC black plastic box with label is (edited: marked 1700093). Came with the PC metal pistol case as well. It was difficult, back then, to find someone at S&W to discuss the magazine situation.

I later swapped those mags with the PC 15 rounders S&W shipped me with a 5" PPC9 - which I eventually sold with the (CA) ten rounders. Might sound like a soap opera, but real life is that way.... FWIW
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Bill's PC 4506 is a dandy, and if indeed one-of-a-kind (no reason to think it's not, by the way) it's a super score. What's interesting too about this pistol is its "PCZ" prefix -- which seems to be the one that the Performance Center used for a few different models that were very limited runs. I would have to go back and do some re-researching but I am sure I've seen this PCZ prefix on at least two other Performance Center guns.

Also interesting is that the PC actually marked the model number on the frame, above the serial number, the way the production side of the house does it. Sure does help make identifying the models a lot easier when the box isn't available to look at!
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By all accounts it is indeed the only one.



Seems a shame though. This is one there should have been more of, many more. Merely my opinion of course

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Forgive me if I am stating the blatantly obvious, but -HOORAY- if this tireless work here (and all the work behind it) is going to be directed to the new SCSW Fourth Edition.

It is, of course... RIGHT?!
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Hey Bill let me know if you want any additional info on that 4506 from the P/C . Im the one that put the Novak competition sight on it for the officer that owned it. There is a bit more to the story , than, tested by LAPD, which it wasnt. It was kinda attached to the order of 20, 4566's from the PC for some members of the LAPD firearms unit in 98. You can see that order on the list above also. Take care Bo

Additional all that run of guns had PCZ serial numbers, as do some of my other older P/C guns if Im not wrong.

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Thank you for this comprehensive reference for our 3rd GEN pistols. Here's a photo of my old RECON 45. I acquired it - no box or paper awhile back. This RECON however, appears to differ from the three on your list and you may want to include it - OR perhaps some of our other, more informed members can chime in as to its place on this list. I don't think I've seen one with a ported barrel shown in any of the pictures of this variant. Comments welcome. BTW, I shoot this old pistol frequently and it is accurate - beautiful trigger, too. Decock only, contrast sights, and had the Hogue grips on it when I got it. Of my eight 3rd GEN pistols, I'd have to say this is a favorite - the effort that the Performance Center folks put into this gun are apparent in the way it handles. It is truly one of those pistols where the extra attention to detail is truly transparent.
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Your offer is happily accepted,...do tell

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Thank you for this comprehensive reference for our 3rd GEN pistols. Here's a photo of my old RECON 45. I acquired it - no box or paper awhile back. This RECON however, appears to differ from the three on your list and you may want to include it - OR perhaps some of our other, more informed members can chime in as to its place on this list. I don't think I've seen one with a ported barrel shown in any of the pictures of this variant. Comments welcome. BTW, I shoot this old pistol frequently and it is accurate - beautiful trigger, too. Decock only, contrast sights, and had the Hogue grips on it when I got it. Of my eight 3rd GEN pistols, I'd have to say this is a favorite - the effort that the Performance Center folks put into this gun are apparent in the way it handles. It is truly one of those pistols where the extra attention to detail is truly transparent.
Not necessarily pretty - but darn sure functional.
Are you mistaking it for a CQB? Some Recon 45s were stainless, some were black, some came with a knife some didn't but all of them came with the ported barrel and the bulky wrap around hogue rubber grips.
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I'm not finding the Performance Center PPC-9, a non-cataloged 5906-based gun only available on special order from LEO's, on letterhead. Mine is a 6", but I believe 5" was also an option, and stainless.

Aristocrat rear sight, and spherical barrel bushing.

Not even listed in my copy of "Blue Book"...very limited sales due to LEO-only restriction...I had to sign agreement to not re-sell within 12 months from delivery, which was 18 months since order. I ordered 2, but sold-off one to fund a pair of new 952s.
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Nope, look again, it is there-- product number 170223 for the 6-inch. There are two versions of the 5-inch, two different dust cover styles. One looks squared off, similar to the SD-9 P pistol, the other looks just like an all-stainless version of the 3556 Limited (which is blackened.)

Your 6-inch is one very rare pistol. Neat info you added with the signed "no sale" agreement. I knew they had to be ordered on LE letterhead, but I didn't realize you had to agree to that other deal.

What 952's did you buy?
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Actually, I bought a 5" and a 6" 952, 952-2 models in stainless.

The PPC-9 has lost some utility here in NYS since we are now limited to 10-round magazines. I was never a PPC competitor, and the Aristocrat rear sight was only sighted-in for 25 yards. I doubt the PPC-9 has 50 rounds thru it before becoming a safe-queen, since I always shot the one I sold. Haven't even tried it with the new 10-round mags, but the originals are in safe hands outside NYS...as I recall, they were marked LEO, but not sure, and are in sealed mylar bags with a relative.

But, I'm a sucker (or, should say was) for Performance Center guns, from the era when Tom Campbell was in charge...I've had two work-related tours of the Springfield facility, and Tom personally showed me a PPC-9, and had my order for two before I left, after a free lunch in the exec. cafeteria.

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I would just like to say this is an interesting thread, It is hard to log on without learning at least something on this forum. Thank you.
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I haven't had my CQBs in a while.....but I think I am right they were 8 round mags.

They were the capacity as 945.
They are 8 rounds. Just like the 4566, 845, ....
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I could swear I saw a 952-3 for sale a while back, which was chambered in 9x21mm - perhaps it was an export model.
Export model. I believe for the Italians.
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I have 4006 with 5 1/4 barsto barrel pcd 104401 that I'm trying to sell but I don't know how to price this gun, anybody have any idea how much should I try to sell it for?
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