My wife and I took a ride up to Kittery this morning to do some shopping. As I always do, I hit the magazine and odd parts bin in the gun department.

I found three magazines marked "CS40". Price was $18.00 for one and the other two were $20.00. One of them looked to need a new follower, but the other two were fine.

I also found four magazines marked CS45. Three had the regular 3rd Gen .45 magazine bases, but one had the oddly shaped pre rail TSW style base plate. I couldn't remember if the CS45 and pre rail TSW used the same magazines or not. They were marked .45 ACP and had six round capacity. These were also $20.00 each.

I didn't buy any of them since I don't have any guns that use those magazines. I thought about buying them on speculation for resale here, but didn't want to tie up almost $150.00 with no idea if they would sell. I did stack them in the right rear corner of the top bin in case there are any members in close proximity to KTP and are interested.

They also has some new in package 3913 curved base magazines, a new in package CS45 magazine, and one 457/4513 magazine, also new in package. That was kind of a surprise as I've never seen them before, but they would seem to be NOS.

Just posted as a public service in case any 3rd Gen owners want to take a ride over there.

Oh, no 3rd Gen guns in the used display cases. The world seems to have been taken over by guns with frames made of the same material as water pistols!

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Thanks for the info. do you know if the 3913's were 7 or 8 rounders?

vinny

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8 round, curved butt plate.

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how much were the 457 mags?

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All the new ones were $39.95.

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Wow! A 3rd Gen magazine jackpot!

And here I just ordered some brand new CS45 magazines from Midway on speculation about a possible CS45 buy someday (maybe after I win the lottery?).

I don't even know off the top of my head how many CS40 magazines I own, but I could probably use a couple more!

Anyway, a good report! I do need to head north one of these days, but probably not before July.

Kittery is 2.5 hrs away for me

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It will probably be longer tomorrow! We went early, on the road by 830, and got there just after 1000. We shopped, had lunch, came home.

We get up there 2-3 times a year. Once in the spring, sometimes in the summer, and then in early fall. I always check KTP even though there are rarely bargains. The used magazine bin, occasionally a MilSurp or some other random used parts.

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My first new gun after 25 long years away (due to circumstances beyond my control) was purchased in 2008 from KTP in honor of our newly elected president. It was a gun I had wanted for all those years but I could never quite justify the need or cost... until BO came along and threatened my ability to ever own it. Slowly but surely, it got me back into collecting ("accumulating" by the forum's definition) and shooting. The rest is history.

I have family up that way, but it's still rare that I make that trek. I'm not thrilled with KTP's policy of no handgun sales to MA residents (via FFL transfer, of course). KTP is apparently unhappy with our lists and AG's rules.

I can't say that I'm at all surprised that they won't do transfers into MA. They weren't always that way. I remember going there in the 1990s and they had a list of MA FFLs that would do inbound transfers. All that changed in 1998 after the new law went into effect.

They will still sell long guns to MA residents, but of course that doesn't require a FFL to FFL transfer.

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Correct. The MA Gun Control Act of 1998 changed everything. Zero effect on crime, of course... but it sure did "control" what we could buy as Massachusetts subjects. Twice now, KTP's policy has stopped me from being able to purchase (via FFL transfer) perfectly MA-legal handguns. They just don't wish to be bothered with our silly lists & AG's rules.

A man of my own heart! Nothing quite like buying mags for a gun you hope to own someday. I told myself that the 2 Delta Elite mags for $30/ea were too good to pass up, but theoretically, they cost me $430 ea., once I found what they fit into.

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It maybe that they do not want to take a chance on violating the law. If they did a transfer, and it did violate a municipal ordinance it is possible someone may try and hold them accountable. Look at what happened to Tommy Chong. We need to get rid of stupid silly laws.

Oh, not just magazines! Other parts too. Especially 3rd Gen wrap-around grips as they are often the most shabby and/or damaged part on an otherwise nice 3rd Gen find.

And the irony? Because I fall into the "most financially challenged" category of S&W collectors/accumulators, some of those purchases in some cases have actually delayed or thwarted my ability to purchase the particular 3rd Gen in question.

Nonetheless, for parts with very limited availability (and sometimes no availability at all), it seems like the prudent thing to do.

I had to look up your Tommy Chong reference, but you are not far off the mark in your assessment. There are a lot of FFL's in other states who refuse to do business with Massachusetts subjects. It is not only complex and time consuming for them (and often disappointing and costly too!), but our old AG would routinely threaten them with lawsuits if they didn't conform to her personal interpretation of the law and her AG's regs. And there is nothing to indicate that our new loony moonbat AG is going to be any better.

The funny thing is that a place like KTP, which benefits a lot off Massachusetts subjects, should be big enough and smart enough and motivated enough to be able to deal with our crazy laws & regs re: handguns. But for whatever reason, they have chosen not to.

And there is not a damn thing we can do about it.

The only real threat of lawsuits was in regard to selling ammunition on line. The law states that sellers of ammunition have to be licensed in the state. Of course there are some sellers who have ignored the AG and they seem to have not suffered.

The penalties for selling guns not on the "the list" applies to the dealer doing the transfer to the end user. That is, if I buy a gun not on the list from the XYZ gun store, that store is at risk for the fines. If I refuse to return the gun for a full refund, then the dealer is on the hook. I can keep the gun because there is no such thing as an "illegal gun" when it comes to handguns in MA. OTOH, if I have a post ban high capacity magazine, then I'm the one on the hook for a felony.
So, if I went to Kittery and bought some post ban magazines for my 5906 or 6906, I'd be the one committing the crime as soon as I crossed over into MA.

The same goes for long gun magazines. Kittery had some P-Mags for AR15s yesterday for about $20.00. I could buy those in Kittery and use them in ME or NH. If I had a friend in either of those states, I could give them to those friends to hold for me. No one has committed a crime.

However, the second I cross back into MA, I've committed a felony because I have post ban high capacity magazines in my possession.

To the best of my knowledge, and others may have other information, no licensed MA gun owner has been prosecuted for having post ban magazines. The only people that seem to have been prosecuted are people who have no licenses. It seems to be an add on charge that goes with possessing a firearm and ammunition without a license.

All of that being said, I don't blame out of state dealers for not transferring guns into MA. MA dealers aren't always sure of what the law requires and they do business here every day. Some MA dealers will do transfers in from other states, but many will not, especially for hand guns. Some will not transfer in AR lowers, even though MA does not consider a lower a firearm.

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I miss that place sooooooo much !

I'm looking forward to the day I can say the same!

It's not that I don't like the state. I grew up here, worked here, raised my kids here. If all else were equal I could even put up with the winters.

The problem is that there are so many things I don't like about the way the state is currently run that it's not tenable to stay longer than we have to.

To paraphrase Zell Miller, "I didn't leave Masschusetts, Massachusetts left me."

I don't know where we'll land, but the leading candidates are Texas and Tennessee.

We have friends and family in Texas and every time I'm in Tennessee, I think to myself that I could live there.

But I digress.

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FWIW The CS 45 and CS 40 mags were still there. This was mid day today.
I am in the KTP two or three times a week and am always pawing through the bargain bin.
Best recent score was a model 52 mag for five dollars.
Once opened up an old eagle grip box only to find nice S&W round butt combat grips inside. That one was pricey I think it was eight dollars. This was about five years ago.
If it's not too busy it's worthwhile to ask one of the clerks if any S&W guns have come in that haven't been put in the cases yet, often they've got some recent trades in the drawers.
Good luck, Kevin

They DO ship ! Kittery Trading Post

I only have two mags for my CS45, but I have 4 mags for my 4513TSW which fit just fine as an extended mag on the CS45. Certainly good enough for the range.