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Old 12-12-2015, 06:28 PM
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Last weekend, I decided to do an extensive accuracy comparison between what I believe to be the two most accurate 9mms ever built by Smith & Wesson and certainly two of the most accurate pistols in the world. These two thoroughbred 9mms were largely hand built by Performance Center smiths at the top of their game. Iíll list some statistics and differences, but the comparison is strictly performance-based.

First we have the 5906 PPC with the 6" barrel. These pistols have a near legendary reputation for accuracy. They were only sold to law enforcement back in the day and S&W didnít make a whole lot of them, so they arenít nearly as well known as some other less capable target pistols. The PPC9 is based on the 3rd gen 5906, but its similarity stops with the frame and the name. The SAO trigger system and the Briley bushing are two things that really help accuracy. The tight hand fitting and high performance barrel also help. This turns the rather mediocre accuracy of the 5906 into a true world-beater.

The 952 is sort of a single stack civilian version of the great PPC9. As its name would signify, the 952 is also based a great deal on the old 52 bullseye pistol from years back. Like the PPC9, the 952 was also offered in the longslide 6" format. Unlike the PPC9, most of the 952 pistols had a grip safety. I also feel the 952 is a nicer looking handgun, as S&W put more emphasis on the gunís appearance.

The SAO trigger system in the two pistols is identical. Even the weight of the trigger feels basically the same. The PPC utilizes checkering for the front strap, while the 952's front strap is serrated. The biggest difference between the guns is obviously the width of the grip frame, with the double stack PPC9 being considerably wider. Both guns are heavy weights, which I love. The PPC9 weighs in at 45.6oz empty, while the 952 comes in a little less at 41.0oz empty. Both guns have great target sights. The 952 uses Wilson Combat, while the PPC uses the more fancy Aristocrat sights for competition.

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Now for some targets...

All groups were shot resting on a block rest. I still need to get some sand bags, but these work ok for what I do.

Distance was 35 feet, unless otherwise noted. All groups were 5-shot.


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PPC9 = .93 inch average
952-2 = 1.22 inch average




In all fairness, I tossed out the 25 yard comparison for a couple of reasons. First, it was a very small sample size of three groups each. Secondly, I have a hard time seeing that far through the sights and putting each shot at the exact same place, even with a rest. A ransom rest is clearly needed for that distance and it would also improve accuracy at the shorter distance. The key to testing accuracy is to remove all other factors, including human error. I would fully expect a ransom to produce better groups at 25 yards than what I was able to do at 35 feet using blocks. Having said all that, the sample size for the 35 foot shooting was fairly extensive at roughly 15 groups each. As you can see, I was clearly able to group the PPC9 a bit better.

Does this make the PPC9 a more accurate firearm? Possibly. I do remember shooting the 952 a little better in the past, so I probably didnít have my best day. Of course, that may also mean I didnít shoot the PPC9 as well as I could have either.

Looking back at all my accuracy testing that Iíve done this year, and Iíve determined that the PPC9 produced the best results thus far. In terms of accuracy in my hands, it has bested my Pardini GT9, Sig X-Five, Hi Power Competition, Sphinx Competitor, CZ 75 Champion and Tactical Sport, Smith & Wesson 52, Performance Center 952-1, 952-1, 845, and 945, MAB PAPF1, Bernardelli Practical VB, two Delta Top Guns, Ultramatic SV, and LV, HK P9S Sport, Benelli MP3S, and Walther P88 Competition, Korriphila HSP701, and a few high end 1911s.

I havenít tested a Sig P210 yet, but I plan on making a huge epic thread just on those guns in the near future. Iíll take all of mine to the range at the same time and test only them. In addition to those, I have a few other target pistols to test as well.

Whether the Sig P210 can match this juggernaut of a pistol, I have no idea. All I know is that the Smith & Wesson PPC9 is an absolutely phenomenal performer. As unscientific as this test was, I can certainly determine that much.

Hope you enjoyed the read. Thanks
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Old 12-12-2015, 10:53 PM
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As soon as I learned you have both a 952 AND a PPC9, it was hard for me to concentrate as I read the rest of the post.
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Old 12-13-2015, 02:02 AM
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I would love to HELP with the testing.

A few thoughts:

I'm not sure that a Ransom Rest is the true answer that often folks think that it is. The first reason is that it's my understanding that it requires the ability to "lock" the handgun in place and I believe it does this with some part having to do with the grips - or removing of the grips, or...? A 3rd Gen like the PPC9 obviously complicates this it's (ack, at risk of offending the audience) achilles heel of the one-piece Delrin grip.

Also, it seems to me as well that a device like a ransom rest just isn't human hands. I am not saying it CAN'T be better -- I am saying "boy, I don't know..." I think it's genuinely possible that two guns pitted against each other may be a 50/50 split between machine rest vs. skilled marksman. But really, I don't know.

The other point is that ammo is just ALWAYS going to have a say as well, and if someone wanted the final word between these two, I think the showdown would only come after six months of load development dedicated to each pistol!

Lastly... I would also submit that if you pitted your 6" 952 against your 6" PPC9 and you could find a clear winner, I bet you couldn't if you had 2 or 3 or 5 of each pistol.

I suppose my conclusion is that some races are far too close to call and perhaps like a Game 7 between the two best in the league, there's no telling how it might turn out if they kept re-playing the same game every 3 days. We might never see one beat the other decidedly. Like flipping a coin a thousand times. You may flip "tails" 575 times but it may not be an accurate assumption to say that THAT coin has a tendency to flip "tails."

Gorgeous handguns.
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results be damned....I just enjoyed the pics and story ....thanks
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Old 12-13-2015, 10:19 AM
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I have a 952-2 and it definitely has load preferences. Just saying
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I have a 952-2 and it definitely has load preferences. Just saying
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You can say that about any pistol, especially precision target guns. This test is just a snapshot. On this day, the PPC shot better for me with the ammo at hand. Nothing more, nothing less...
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As soon as I learned you have both a 952 AND a PPC9, it was hard for me to concentrate as I read the rest of the post.
Glad you like them. I've got two of each. I've got the 5" models as well.

They are great pistols.
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You can say that about any pistol, especially precision target guns. This test is just a snapshot. On this day, the PPC shot better for me with the ammo at hand. Nothing more, nothing less...
Not a put down just a side note. I love mine and kick myself for not buying a ppc when I had the chance.
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The Ransom Rest brings the frame back to the same place every time. The slide and barrel have to return to the same place on the frame after each shot to be able to use the rest for accuracy testing. As long as the barrel and slide return to each other after each shot then accuracy potential is better when holding the gun in your hands. This is why, when accurizing a semi-auto pistol, barrel lock up in the slide is more important than slide to frame fit. Revolvers do not have this problem as the barrel and sights are always in the same place.
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"Also, it seems to me as well that a device like a ransom rest just isn't human hands. I am not saying it CAN'T be better -- I am saying "boy, I don't know..."

THE ABOVE WAS WELL SAID. EVEN THE RANSOM REST COMPANY DOES NOT TELL YOU IT WILL SHOW YOU THE BEST IT WILL SHOOT. THEY STATE IT WILL SHOW YOU THE WORST IT WILL SHOOT. (OR A LEAST IT USED TO SAY THAT). SHOOTING A LOT OF PPC YEARS AGO WITH PPC9's I HAD OCCASION THE RANSOM REST SEVERAL. I FOUND THAT THE 5" PPC'S OUT SHOT THE 6" FROM THE RANSOM REST. WHY? I HAVE NO IDEA. I HAVE SHOT A 952 FROM THE REST ALSO. THE PPC9'S ALL SHOT BETTER THAT THE 952. AGAIN WHY? NO IDEA. YES , YES, ALL TYPES OF 50YDS MATCH AMMO WAS USED. JP

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Worthless threads like this one really aggravate me.

Just a few weeks ago I was plumb happy, I owned all the pistols I wanted, there were none that I wanted to buy, I was a totally satisfied man. Then I read your thread and my life has changed.

Now I am searching for a 952, like anything the hunt is many times better than the catch.

If I buy one then starts another quest to find out what load she will like best and it all starts over again.

Thanks for sharing!
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Bah, simple to find. SIMPLE. One-stop shopping, takes less than a minute.
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I have a few 952s and resisted buying a long slide because I didn't think anything could be more accurate. I eventually came across a deal on a long slide I couldn't pass up. First time to the range I was disappointed, it wasn't even as good as the 5" versions. Long story short, it does have a slightly different balance so you don't just pick it up and shoot it the same. I eventually got it to where it is as good as the 5" model but no better. It does tend to like the warmer rounds but so do most 952s. I enjoy it and glad I bought it but I wouldn't go looking for another.
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I have a few 952s and resisted buying a long slide because I didn't think anything could be more accurate. I eventually came across a deal on a long slide I couldn't pass up. First time to the range I was disappointed, it wasn't even as good as the 5" versions. Long story short, it does have a slightly different balance so you don't just pick it up and shoot it the same. I eventually got it to where it is as good as the 5" model but no better. It does tend to like the warmer rounds but so do most 952s. I enjoy it and glad I bought it but I wouldn't go looking for another.
Its not going to be mechanically more accurate than the 5". The longer sight radius should help the shooter get more accuracy out of it.

I shoot my 5" model just as well, actually.
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How much different is the 952 from the normal 52? My initial impression was that the 952 is essentially one of a 9mm 52, is this incorrect?
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How much different is the 952 from the normal 52? My initial impression was that the 952 is essentially one of a 9mm 52, is this incorrect?
It looks similar, but has several differences. The Briley bushing being one of them...

The triggers are a bit different too, as well as a few other things. Totally different feel, in my opinion. I've got a 52 and a couple 952's.
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Please explain the differences in the triggers as you perceive them. Also is the trigger on the 952 adjustable?
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Please explain the differences in the triggers as you perceive them. Also is the trigger on the 952 adjustable?
The 952's trigger isn't externally adjustable, no. I think they're set at 3 to 4 pounds at the factory.
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Thank you Sir!
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I just purchased a 952-1, seller said it has been shot but does not appear to have been shot a lot. It is on the way and I will know more in about 3 days, it will be a very long thee days. This thread encouraged me to go for it.

I look forward to comparing it to my P 210 legend and Legend target, will be very happy if all three like the same load.

All of my target work is at 88 yards, and accuracy judged by 100 shot groups.

I could have purchased one that had never been shot after leaving the factory but decided it was best to let it go to a collector. It sold for $1,000 more than mine.
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Man...those are sexy!
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I just purchased a 952-1, seller said it has been shot but does not appear to have been shot a lot. It is on the way and I will know more in about 3 days, it will be a very long thee days. This thread encouraged me to go for it.

I look forward to comparing it to my P 210 legend and Legend target, will be very happy if all three like the same load.

All of my target work is at 88 yards, and accuracy judged by 100 shot groups.

I could have purchased one that had never been shot after leaving the factory but decided it was best to let it go to a collector. It sold for $1,000 more than mine.
That's great news, Ed.

You'll love it.

Here's a few pics of mine in the meantime...












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Thanks for sharing, she is absolutely beautiful!

Tracking tells me mine is in Denver and on her way to her new home. Maybe tomorrow, looks like a storm may have sidelined her voyage for a day.
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Thanks for sharing, she is absolutely beautiful!

Tracking tells me mine is in Denver and on her way to her new home. Maybe tomorrow, looks like a storm may have sidelined her voyage for a day.
Did you get it yet?
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Yes, she came yesterday I was greatly surprised, I figured she would show a lot of use, but she is pristine. I cleaned her up, found no residue in the barrel and very little evidence of use.

Very cold here yesterday, shot her 15 times, she did well, then dry fired her yesterday and last night, today I shot about 40 rounds through her and was delighted to see that she is sighted in very close to my eyesight and target load. My 40 shot group was about 7" at 88 yards, so far she shoots as well as my P 210's. It is hard to tell any significant difference
in accuracy, I will shoot several thousand rounds before making that call.

It was snowing while I was shooting, I felt a little guilty making her work in this kind of weather, but she did not complain. Am I in love? Yes!

I do feel a significant responsibility to take good care of her, but will shoot her a lot. Her serial No is KAZ1436, just a little younger than yours

I will try and take some photos and post them up.

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That's great, Ed. I believe the 952-1 was only built for a year or two.

Yes, they are magnificent pistols in every way.

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Can anyone share any load data (or factory loads) that the 952-2 long slide prefers. I have one that I've only put 20 rounds through and then put it in the safe. This thread has inspired me to give it some exercise!

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Here she is, exactly what I wanted.

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Can anyone share any load data (or factory loads) that the 952-2 long slide prefers. I have one that I've only put 20 rounds through and then put it in the safe. This thread has inspired me to give it some exercise!

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So far I have only used the load that I found that works best in my Sig P 210's and tried it today in my 952-1. My first 40 round group at 88 yards measured a little over 7 inches. It must be about the same as the man who used her last used because they were center hold and about 4 inches to the right, but the sun was far to the left which could account for the windage.

3.4 grains of 700 X
Rim Rock 122 grain TC lead bullets
Over All Length of cartridge, 1.34.

I found that the TC 122 grain lead bullets were much more accurate at long range than the 115 grain lead round nose.

I like to judge accuracy on groups of at least 50 shots, it is easy to shoot a smaller group with 5 or 10 shots but I feel the more you shoot the better your prediction of accuracy.

SR 7625 proved very accurate, but I did not have enough to shoot it a lot, that powder is very scarce here.

After shooting I always run a brush filled with bore butter through the bore.

I find mine an absolute joy to shoot, hope you do also.

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That's a beautiful pistol, Ed.

Congrats on a world-class 9mm.
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Thanks for the load data Ed. Hope you get years of enjoyment out of that pistol.
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Thank you bc1023 for taking the time to review so many wonderful pistols. I have read your evaluations posted on Glocktalk, and I must say, you are one of best sources that I use before making a pistol purchase.
I have a friend that I shoot with that has a nearly brand new 952-2 6" longslide. It is a fantastic pistol, but like any other, it definitely has it likes and dislikes of factory ammo choices. We were out last week testing some loads, and he tried AE 124g FMJ ammo and it was terrible.
We then tried AE 147g Flat nose FMJ and it was very, very, good.
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Thanks for posting that, Lyle1. I happen to have some AE 147 gr. FP on hand.
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I would like to know more information on them, thought it would be easy to find when they were made and the differences between the various versions. So far my searches have been pretty slim. I would appreciate references and naturally any information you may have.
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I would like to know more information on them, thought it would be easy to find when they were made and the differences between the various versions. So far my searches have been pretty slim. I would appreciate references and naturally any information you may have.
Ed, there were several "small" runs with different color schemes and some variations in the machining. However, the main versions of the 952 are as follows:

952 = blued gun with no grip safety
952-1 = blued gun with grip safety
952-2 = stainless gun with grip safety
952-2 Longslide = stainless gun with grip safety and 6" barrel
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Thank you sir! You have provided me with more information than hours of internet search. I most sincerely appreciate it
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This thread prompted me to conduct some accuracy experiments, I had to pick up 2 S&W 952-1s to compare to my Sig P 210's, a Legend and a Legend Target.

The first part of the test has been shooting 4 500 round groups at 12 inch chain sprockets at 88 yards from a very stable sitting position using what I consider my accuracy load, 3.5 grains of 700X behind a 122 grain lead cast TC bullet from Rim Rock Bullets and Starline Brass all from the same lot. Pistols were shot on consecutive days, weather permitting over the coerce of 4 months.

Accuracy was recorded by the percentage of hits from each pistol.
The S&W 952-1 came out on top with 96% hits, the Sig Legend was close behind with 92% hits.

For my eyes there is a noticeable difference between the sights on the Legend and the Wilson Combat sights on the 952-1.

I find the Legend more pleasant to dry fire as the hammer is more friendly to my thumb when cocking the pistol. Both are very pleasant to shoot. The 952-s always throws the brass in a neat little pile at my side while the Sig Legend P 210 throws brass over a much wider area.

I found it easy to learn their triggers and am very pleased with them both, they are slightly different but delightful and a tribute to the makers art.

My next test will be comparing the Sig Legend Target with my second 952-1, both of them were in new condition when I got them. Someone had shot the 952-1 with some lead bullets that really leaded the barrel, the groves were completely filled with lead obscuring the rifling in the back 1/2 of the barrel. The seller told me he had bought it used and shot it but that it did not shoot well in his hands. As usual I broke her down and cleaned her completely. After a little work I got the lead out and it shot a 2" group at the 88 yard chain sprocket. I feel it will
be very competitive against the Legend Target.

Which is more accurate? At this time I feel they are very close to equal but different, in a match I would not take either for granted.

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So far I have only used the load that I found that works best in my Sig P 210's and tried it today in my 952-1. My first 40 round group at 88 yards measured a little over 7 inches. It must be about the same as the man who used her last used because they were center hold and about 4 inches to the right, but the sun was far to the left which could account for the windage.

3.4 grains of 700 X
Rim Rock 122 grain TC lead bullets
Over All Length of cartridge, 1.34.

I found that the TC 122 grain lead bullets were much more accurate at long range than the 115 grain lead round nose.

I like to judge accuracy on groups of at least 50 shots, it is easy to shoot a smaller group with 5 or 10 shots but I feel the more you shoot the better your prediction of accuracy.

SR 7625 proved very accurate, but I did not have enough to shoot it a lot, that powder is very scarce here.

After shooting I always run a brush filled with bore butter through the bore.

I find mine an absolute joy to shoot, hope you do also.

I expect you would find significantly better accuracy using 124gr. FMJ handloads. If you want the best possible accuracy, WEIGH each powder load. Yes, it's slow. Yes, it makes a difference.

I have cast hundreds of thousands of those curious flat point 122 grain lead bullets. My brother calls them 'crayon point bullets', for their similarity to the Crayola crayons when new. They are great for plinking and shooting for fun, due to their low cost, but manufactured 124gr. FMJ deliver significantly better accuracy in my most accurate 9mm, my H&K P9S Target Model. Since it only has a 4 inch barrel, I doubt it can match the accuracy of a PC 9mm with a 6 inch barrel. But it is fun to shoot. At this point, my long past middle age eyes are the greatest hindrance to my accuracy, beyond about 25 feet. Getting old sucks.
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Thanks for the report, Ed. The 952 and P210 are among the most accurate 9mms in the world.

Add a Pardini GT9 into the mix too...
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I have a Pardini GT with the 6" barrel. It has a superb trigger and the sights are typical of a high end match pistol.
I also have a CZ 75 from the CZ Custom Shop which is on a par with my P210.

I have reviewed some ransom rest tests done in Europe to test the precision of various commercial and hand loaded 9mm ammunition.
I am convinced that the limitation in all of the high end pistols discussed here is ammunition.

I cannot hold close enough to test ammunition for precision, but the tests I refer to above suggest that a 1.5" vertical string at 50 meters is typical of the very best commercial ammunition.
These tests also confirm that some ammunition is more precise in some pistols than others.

My point is that given the ammunition variables it would take a Ransom Rest and a lot of work to determine which is the most precise pistol which is not the same as the best match pistol.
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I have a Pardini GT with the 6" barrel. It has a superb trigger and the sights are typical of a high end match pistol.
I also have a CZ 75 from the CZ Custom Shop which is on a par with my P210.

I have reviewed some ransom rest tests done in Europe to test the precision of various commercial and hand loaded 9mm ammunition.
I am convinced that the limitation in all of the high end pistols discussed here is ammunition.

I cannot hold close enough to test ammunition for precision, but the tests I refer to above suggest that a 1.5" vertical string at 50 meters is typical of the very best commercial ammunition.
These tests also confirm that some ammunition is more precise in some pistols than others.

My point is that given the ammunition variables it would take a Ransom Rest and a lot of work to determine which is the most precise pistol which is not the same as the best match pistol.
I would agree. Also, different pistols like different ammo, so its nearly impossible to do a completely fair comparison. Having said that, I do the best I can with what I have.

High end pistols are my thing. I'm fortunate enough to own pretty much all of them and enjoy pitting them against each other in my amateur sort of way.

I list many of them here...

https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/...s-guide.23120/
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Nice report. When the 952 was still on the S&W website I decided not to buy a 5 inch and wait for a 6 inch. Regret that now. It is a pistol I keep my eyes open for. I guess I can contribute a picture of my 52-2.

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Nice report. When the 952 was still on the S&W website I decided not to buy a 5 inch and wait for a 6 inch. Regret that now. It is a pistol I keep my eyes open for.
They aren't hard to find on Gunbroker. Finding them in your local shop is a rarity.
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I have both barrel lengths of the 952-2 and the long slide version of the PPC9...I had a second PPC9 that I stupidly sold, and surprisingly, it was difficult to find a buyer for back then, when any cop could order one (and, wait). Also have a P210, but it is Danish military issue, so not a fair accuracy comparison...

Now, looking for an affordable 1911 6", without forward slide serrations.
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I have a SIG P210, Pardini PC9 and a Smith & Wesson 952-2.
952-2 is for me the gun that I get the smallest groups with, and also the nicest one ;-)
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This is a cool thread from some time ago. One thing that seems worth adding is a reply to one post made some time back with regards to whether or not the 952's trigger is "adjustable" or not.

It is, actually, it's adjustable for over-travel. The fantastic old 52 trigger is two-way adjustable (pre-travel and over-travel) but as far as I can tell, the 952 is only adjustable for over-travel.

It does NOT adjust in the same way the 52 does. The 52 uses a set screw behind the trigger, visible inside the trigger guard and adjusted from inside the magazine well, with one or both stocks removed.

The 952's over travel screw is quite different, it runs through the trigger bar and is adjusted from above the field-stripped frame. You must go at it from a slight angle with an allen wrench, it is hidden quite well and it just isn't all too "obvious" to find if you don't know that it's there.

I can admit that I'm probably a "trigger snob" by many definitions... this is to say that I appreciate VERY MUCH SO, a sweet, smooth, clean, light trigger. I don't whine & cry over lousy triggers (too much ) but I -love- a fine trigger.

Part of my appreciation for a fine target trigger is one with precious little over-travel. Bless you if you don't care a bit, but this is something I really notice a whole lot. A trigger with excessive over travel removed is pure joy for me. On the other hand, I have very little use or care for adjusting the pre-travel. I just don't care about pre-travel and it doesn't seem to to matter to me, but taking out over-travel is a phenomenal feature in a target gun, in my opinion.
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I have a SIG P210, Pardini PC9 and a Smith & Wesson 952-2.
952-2 is for me the gun that I get the smallest groups with, and also the nicest one ;-)

Pardinis are incredibly slick, but I don't find my GT9 to be as accurate as any of my P210's or PC Smiths.
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