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Old 03-19-2016, 01:24 AM
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fired 100 rounds today. So far o-ring seams to be working.
I shot mine today, put 100 rounds through it - yep, it comes loose. I'll try the #61 o-ring solution and see how it works out. Where'd you pick yours up at?

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Old 03-24-2016, 01:22 AM
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Picked up my Victory about a week ago and had it out to the range three times and experienced problems with the take down screw backing out. Also was surprised when I did my pre range cleaning at the force it took to break the take down screw loose. Lots of pressure then a very crisp "pop" as it broke loose. After less than 100 rounds on trip one and two I went to Lowe's and bought an extended 1/8" hex to put some muscle into it. Tightened it enough that I thought no way this is moving. After 75 rounds today it was loose again. I am looking forward to trying AlwaysArmed's suggested solution and see if that will tighten it up enough to hold for awhile. Really like the pistol and the sights. Very accurate for under $400 and nice trigger out of the box. Not sure what I could do at this time to improve on how it performs. Agree that we should keep pressure on S&W CS concerning the issue as this is not normal for a pistol. Appreciate everyone's ideas and sharing concerning this issue.
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I also have a brand new sw22 shot it 300 rds without the screw getting loose. I did disassemble and clean prior to range session tightened the screw and as I said it did not loosen. I wonder if the length of the screw has any bearing - maybe some are a little longer or shorter then others???????
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Old 03-24-2016, 08:20 AM
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I had the screw come loose the fist time out. I also cleaned it prior. After that I made sure to tighten it down with my own 5in Allen key to get enough torque. Haven't had a problem since.
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Old 03-24-2016, 10:01 PM
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Two trips to the range with mine. 150 rounds 1st trip, 350 today. All screws stayed nice and tight. Clean and lube before 1st trip, between trips and after 2nd. Love this gun so far. Several different brands and types used, only had trouble with Federal 36 grain Value Pack not ejecting.
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Old 03-25-2016, 12:05 AM
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Loctite is not intended for use on screws that must repeatedly be removed and reapplied.
S&W copied this feature from the Browning Buckmark. And this is the reason that I sold my Buckmark. In order to clean the gun, you had to remove a screw that held the barrel to the frame. And the screw would often come loose while I was shooting the gun in competitions. If you repeatedly use Loctite on the screw, it won't be long before you have a mess on your hands.
I feel that using a screw to attach the barrel to the frame is a design mistake.
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Old 03-25-2016, 07:45 AM
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How about a little teflon tape, easily removed and replaced.
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Old 03-25-2016, 09:35 AM
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I had the screw come loose the fist time out. I also cleaned it prior. After that I made sure to tighten it down with my own 5in Allen key to get enough torque. Haven't had a problem since.
Maybe using enough torque is the answer. There are inexpensive torque wrenches on the market, calibrated in inch-pounds. Once you have the magic number, you could repeat it every time.
What does the owner's manual say about this screw?

POSTSCRIPT: I was able to view the manual online. It says to tighten the screw until it is 'snug'. And it advises to periodically check the tightness of the screw and tighten as necessary. I suppose this means keeping an allen wrench in your range bag and checking the screw before and during shooting.

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Old 03-25-2016, 11:00 AM
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I took a paint pen and put a small mark on the screw and a mark on the frame. I used Purple Loc Tite after really cleaning the screw and the screw hole then threaded it in, backed it out to get the loc Tite in the threads good then torqued to 40 inch pounds. It was coming loose every 50 rounds and nearly fell out the last time. After doing this it has not mover in 700 rounds.
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I take the allen wrench to the range and check the barrel after firing 60 rounds; when I have to refill my three mags anyway. If loose I just tighten again and keep on shooting. I'm sure once I figure out the right "tightness" and train the muscles all will be well.
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I don't own a Victory, have been looking at them though. After reading these posts I wonder if the screw may be bottoming out. As someone said it will never tighten up if it bottoms out. Is it designed to where it can bottom out?
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I don't own a Victory, have been looking at them though. After reading these posts I wonder if the screw may be bottoming out. As someone said it will never tighten up if it bottoms out. Is it designed to where it can bottom out?
From what I saw in the manual, it appears that S&W expects the screw to loosen and that they expect you to re-tighten it.
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Old 03-29-2016, 05:09 PM
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Old 03-29-2016, 08:31 PM
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I think the secret is to tighten it to around 40 inch lbs on this screw. From what I have heard that works quite well. So does the O-ring deal as well. Probably a coupla dollars for a bag of O-rings I would think in the correct size. I think useing Loc Tite in the long run will cause problems sooner or later.
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Are any of you guys worried about the potential wear that the takedown screw will accrue over a period of years (several hundred takedowns) on the threads of the firearm itself? The screw can easily be replaced, but I'm not sure that damage or wear to the internal threads can.. Other than that worry I really am enjoying this sweet shooting pistol.
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Old 04-03-2016, 11:43 PM
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My Victory came in to my dealer last Wednesday, dry fired it in the store and it did not self destruct. I liked the trigger and sights so purchased it. Ran a bore brush through it, soaked the pistol in alcohol and blew it out a few times with compressed air then CLP and the air hose again then a brush with bore butter on it.

Took her outside and put 325 rounds of Federal Auto Match through it, had to adjust the elevation down 7 clicks and it was hitting dead center at 50 yards. Ran a brush through the bore and then shot another bulk batch of Federal stuff and am very impressed! My best group is 10 rounds in a 3" group. Not all the time, but very accurate and can hit a 6 inch chain sprocket for as many consecutive shots as I want to shoot. 50 yards is the shortest distance I shoot regularly with a pistol off hand.

The screw remains tight, dry fired it and no problems or dings on the chamber, no failures to feed, other than rarely the first round in a full magazine, recycled the slide once and and they all chambered.

The trigger is very nice, I like the sights and have no complaints, as soon as I figure she is broken in I plan on putting some better ammo through her and find out what she likes best.

She falls a little short of my mod. 41's but is well wroth the money.

I can easily recommend her as a fine pistol.

I thank those of you who recommended I give one a try.
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Re posting on the loose barrel issue. I have taken my SW22 victory out after applying nail polish to the threads on the socket cap screw below the barrel. I shot about 200 rounds of various ammo, and the barrel did not come loose. I cleaned it up and re applied nail polish to the threads. I used a folding hex key set in stead of the supplied allen, and re loosened and re tightened to get a feel on how much pressure to apply and not over do it. I had previously said that I was not going to use nothing but the supplied allen, since I am mechanical and over 20 years experience using various allen wrenches I knew my limits on tightening things up. I called Smith & Wesson again on this matter and again was told to use a little blue or green loctite[ not the red leave it off]. I have come to the conclusion that the loctite is the best way to go. I know that the screw threads will have to be cleaned from time to time. I do not like the nail polish and S&W does not have a fix for this. I will repeat on the best way to go is for me only, other shooters will have to decide which method they want to use. I will say this if you tighten the screw too much you might not break it loose cause the threads are dry and there will be a popping sound or snap, with the loctite you snug down and learn to tighten just enough. Hopes this helps someone Spongy.
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Old 04-28-2016, 05:01 AM
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If I know that I will be removing a fastener, I use Vibra-Tite VC-3 Threadmate instead on anaerobic threadlockers like LocTite or GunTite. VC-3 (et al.) is applied to the threads of a screw and allowed to dry 30 minutes before assembling. It works by friction and not by bonding. It's reusable up to 5 times after which it can be removed with a brush and solvent and reapplied.
Either the Vibra-Tite VC-3 and/or the #61 O ring will work. I've tried both individually, and together. As you said, the VC-3 is not meant to be a permanent bond. I've reused it up to 7 times. You can feel it grabbing when you tighten the screw. Good stuff.
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Maybe using enough torque is the answer. There are inexpensive torque wrenches on the market, calibrated in inch-pounds. Once you have the magic number, you could repeat it every time.
What does the owner's manual say about this screw?

POSTSCRIPT: I was able to view the manual online. It says to tighten the screw until it is 'snug'. And it advises to periodically check the tightness of the screw and tighten as necessary. I suppose this means keeping an allen wrench in your range bag and checking the screw before and during shooting.
I keep mine in the Victory case, but I have a complete set of Allen wrenches in my range bag too. Doesn't everyone?
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Old 04-28-2016, 05:08 AM
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Re posting on the loose barrel issue. I have taken my SW22 victory out after applying nail polish to the threads on the socket cap screw below the barrel. I shot about 200 rounds of various ammo, and the barrel did not come loose. I cleaned it up and re applied nail polish to the threads. I used a folding hex key set in stead of the supplied allen, and re loosened and re tightened to get a feel on how much pressure to apply and not over do it. I had previously said that I was not going to use nothing but the supplied allen, since I am mechanical and over 20 years experience using various allen wrenches I knew my limits on tightening things up. I called Smith & Wesson again on this matter and again was told to use a little blue or green loctite[ not the red leave it off]. I have come to the conclusion that the loctite is the best way to go. I know that the screw threads will have to be cleaned from time to time. I do not like the nail polish and S&W does not have a fix for this. I will repeat on the best way to go is for me only, other shooters will have to decide which method they want to use. I will say this if you tighten the screw too much you might not break it loose cause the threads are dry and there will be a popping sound or snap, with the loctite you snug down and learn to tighten just enough. Hopes this helps someone Spongy.
You should try the Vibra-tite VC-3. It's designed for screws which will be adjusted (unscrewed).
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Wow, 101 and one DIY fixes to something that S&W under designed and improperly tested. As an engineer and a long term S&W fan, I'm disappointed but not overly surprised.

My fix? Trade it on a Ruger MK III. Once you understand assembly is all about hammer position, the rest is easy.
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I have an old High Standard with front push button take down, amazing just how snug that push button gets after shooting it.
I wonder if maybe Smith used a left handed screw instead if the bolt would still loosen or if it would naturally tighten?
I have used a simple dab of pure silicone on threads to absorb vibrations that loosen screws and it is always easy to remove.
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I have never heard of this product, I only have one other pistol 44 mag. S.R. Hawk. and if it wasn't for S&W screw issue probably wouldn't be here.I like the idea behind this Vibra-Tite-VC3, gona check it out, thanks the SPONGE.
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My final thoughts on the take down screw coming loose on the SW22 Victory. I started using Vibra Tite VC3 and its working. I have on 3 shooting sessions fired about 600 rounds and the barrel has not came loose. My last session was on 5/20/16 [260] rounds various ammo and it was still secured when I took it down to clean, in fact I put the same screw back in and did not have to put any more VC3 on it to tighten up. you can go to ebay and find 5ml tube or larger amounts. The Sponge
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So My Victory is about 2 months old and has about 700 to 1000 rounds on it. I had an issue with the screw coming loose after 100 rounds or less. Not the set screw but the takedown screw. I also had an issue with the part on the barrel coming loose. I used purple loctit on that. I did put a tiny amount on the screw after I cleaned it last. Today I go to the range and after about 30 rounds the barrel flew off with no warning of any problem after I picked up all the pieces I found that the screw broke off in the barrel in just about half. The piece in the bung was not tight at all it turned right out. The threads show no sign of being over tightened or being cracked. It just failed! I will try to post a picture of it later. S&W said oh no problem we will send you a new one? I am less than happy and I loved it right up to this..

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What is S&W going to send as a "new one"? New Barrel or new screw? I would imagine there's some finish damage when the barrel flew off.

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they are sending one screw! I asked if I could get 2 and he said NO! Yes it has 2 small marks on one side. Not enough to cry about but yes there was minor marks.
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Used a lock washer just a little smaller than the screw. Used a ice pick and enlarged the washer till the screw would just fit threw it. Screw fits thru lock washer and fits in screw bore hole. Problem solved!
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It seems like everyone is making a mountain, out of a molehill.

VC-3 vibration blocker does the trick and allows the take down screw to be "fully seated."

I also used it on the optional optic rail as well.
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WE have had fellow members buy the O-ring for as low as .5C each. One O-ring is going to last for a very long time. I am too cheap to pay for special lubes like that when I can solve a problem for 5 cents and have No cleanup afterwards as well. The #61 O-ring is a permanent fix also. Any savings goes on my ammo bill.
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I went with the split washer as soon as I purchased. Have had no problems and loosens up with the wrench without a lot of pressure.
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Nail polish on top threads after cleaning with metho and blowing out with compressed air. Tighten firmly. Place gun upside down and dribble nail polish remover on to screw and let sit a few minutes before undoing.
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I have a VICTORY model...calibre 38 S&W. Circa 1940's some time. My Mom carried it in the Philippines at the out set of WWII. It is stamped with about 15 or so armorer's stamps. I think they were 'reworked' in Australia before being issued to the Nurses of the 13th Air Wing. She, like my Dad, was on Luzon when Pearl was bombed, walked the Bataan Peninsula and escaped to Corrigedor. My Dad was not so fortunate.
I have fired this pistol and she is fit as a fiddle. No loose or cranky screws. I also do no believe they were designed to be removed and/or dissembled after each firing. I believe...barrel and cylinder cleaning were the norm. And, coming out of 30 years in refinery maintenance, I have never seen any 'normal' screw and socket fitting to be opened and closed on each maintenance cycle. Some are indeed, but these, in my experience, have been 'socket' or hex screws with MACHINE FINE threads. And, I do not see any of these in my version of the VICTORY pistols.

A design 'flaw' is indeed a serious issue. A screw fitting that comes loose upon use, again, in my opinion, is probably a misuse or abuse of a previous user. If a VICTORY model showed a problem, in the 40's...my guess is that some military armorer would have caught that as these VICTORY items were issued to combat troops, (my Mom) and would have been addressed.

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Old 11-05-2016, 10:54 PM
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I just bought a Victory 22 today, got it home and tried the takedown. No way that takedown screw would turn. Squirted some Kano Kroil around the screw and waited. Ten minutes later used the supplied hex wrench and gave it some muscle and the screw turned after a little pop. I did notice some dark residue on the screw so maybe SW is applying some loctite at the factory? Will go the O ring route to make sure the screw doesn't work out during shooting.
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I have had mine since the spring of 2016, with no problems. Ran in excess of 1,000 rounds of 22 ammo thru it inc Federal, Remington, Browning and CCI. Screw has not come loose. I do not clean it every time that I use it.
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If you can replace your goopy LocTite products with the dries-in-ambient-enviroment VibraTite products you might find your thread locking compounds headaches a thing of the past.
Many fasteners included with packaged assemblies now-a-days have this dried-on thread locker on the loose fasteners in the package.
I prefer it over the original stuff.
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My self I took a lock washer. Took a screwdriver and opened it up wide enough the screw would fit threw, yet still small enough to fit in the hole. I have probably shot close to 1,000 rds thru it and has never came loose again. I clean my gun after every shooting and use no loctite except blue on the inner screw to bolt carrier. That is what worked for me!
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I've used Vibra-Tite VC3 since I bought my SW22 last summer. I've never had the take down screw come loose through hundreds of rounds. Non issue to me. I also used some VC3 on the optics rail screw.
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Got my Victory about a month ago. Cleaned it before use, and twice since then. No problem with screw. Unscrewed first time OK (not very tight) and did not loosen while shooting. Am I doing something wrong or am I lucky?
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Had to send my Victory back to S&W.
There is no way I could break the cap screw free and I didn't want to round out the allen wrench slot.
Anybody have any info on average turn-around times for S&W to return an firearm?
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