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Old 10-23-2016, 01:09 PM
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Two different firearms, Wind Mod 61 was my first experience, as with all rounds discussed in this series was shooting groups at 100 yards. Mod 61 will not fire out of battery. Blew extractor over 30 feet from action.

Other two were with the same Victory, that has now been back to the factory 3 times. No shots were rapid fire, and we could not get my Victory to fire out of battery.

All with new ammo, purchased within weeks of shooting it.

I fully realize that I am experiencing more than my share of these events and am more than willing to share with others.

I post them up in the hopes of maybe keeping someone from getting hurt.

I thank you for your thoughts.
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Old 10-23-2016, 01:23 PM
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I must have misread your previous posts. I thought ALL of your failures like this were with the Victory. So I was looking for the common element. What is common to all these failures? The Victory (or so I mistakenly thought at the time), and probably the storage conditions for the ammo. Other than that, everything else appears randomized from your description. There's got to be some common factor that is causing these failures for you. Finding that common factor can be difficult though. But once found, usually you slap yourself in the face and say, "So obvious, I should have thought of that!"

I'm an engineer BTW, in case it doesn't show!
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:32 PM
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It shows and I appreciate your thoughts. I think that after 68 years of shooting the odds caught up to me for a while.
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Old 10-23-2016, 07:35 PM
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Is it possible the cause could be altitude related?
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Old 10-23-2016, 09:33 PM
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I shoot my SW22 mostly at 5300 feet and 9000 feet, about equal between those two elevations. And I put about 500 rounds through it at 450 feet elevation this fall. I haven't noticed any changes/differences in how it shoots/performs based on those three data points.
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Old 10-23-2016, 10:15 PM
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We are definitely gaining data, I get mine back tomorrow from S&W.
Will try shooting at differing angles to the sun.
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Old 12-22-2016, 02:26 PM
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Default S&W Victory "volquartsen" laminated target grips causing mags to drop out

New to Forum, If I'm not doing this correctly I apologize up front.
Having a problem with Volquartsen target grips on S&W victory.
once on release the bolt, mag drops. Anyone had this problem.
Volquartsen sent me another set same problem. It seems to be all in the mag release extension.
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Old 12-22-2016, 10:46 PM
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Igbarrel Welcome to the Forum. Sorry to hear you are having problems with the new grips. Obviously they are somehow pushing on the mag release button just enough to make it not lock in properly. I would have a real close up look at where they meet up right by the mag release button to see whats causing it to stick and open it up.
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Old 12-27-2016, 12:50 PM
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Default V-22 problem >> mag release?

I'm a new v-22 owner. I've put 1,500 rounds through it.
No takedown nut problems, but I'll buy the o-rings for when it happens.
I just experienced the 2nd round feeding problem at the range. The 1st round fed with the slide release, but 2nd round failed on 4 of the 6 mags I use.
I also had a problem with the mags getting stuck and not ejecting. They were catching on something. Only released about an inch, then they got caught. I couldn't pull them out. I twisted and turned them slightly, aware not to damage, with no success.
I thought it might be the newest 2 mags I just bought, but no. It's started happening and I couldn't correct it on multiple mags. Ended my range session frustrated and disappointed in gun manufacturing.
Anyone have same experience?
Anyone have an idea on how to correct problem?
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Old 12-27-2016, 09:57 PM
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NewS&W-V22Owner Welcome to the forum from Canada. Have you taken this gun apart and given it a real good cleaning as yet. I would pull the grips off even and have a look behind them to see what may be causing it to stick this way.Could be some factory metal filings in there and or excessive grease or even both possibly. Sometimes it does not take much to cause a problem on a new gun. If you can not figure it out send it back to S&W who will repair it for free.
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Old 12-28-2016, 09:28 AM
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They tell me the rounds are OOB, I know that not one of them fired out of battery.

My gun smith and I have been working with it for some time, tried to make some fire OOB and can't make it happen.

We have come up with the following hypothesis: The round comes into battery, fires and the bullet starts down the barrel, the pressure is too great and the action opens before the bullet has left the barrel, therefore the case is the weakest point and it blows.

We have pulled bullets and tried to make 22 rim fires fire OOB and can't make it happen in a well made firearm.

Overcharges simply blow the case, sometimes damage the firearm.

Some cartridges detonate, in my experience these are very loud, produce much black smoke that blows out of the action, depending on the firearm some out of the trigger, sends extractors flying, damages actions and barrels. I feel these are double charges or more of priming compound.

Mistakes are going to happen both in the firearms and in the ammunition, I just hate to see the firearms makers take the mistakes of the ammunition folks on the chin.
I believe there is merit in your theory as to a "hot" load blowing back the bolt before the bullet leaves the barrel which could cause the case to eject prematurely and explode. My Victory amazed me the other day by auto-cycling CCI 710 fps Quiets. It wasn't a fluke either, multiple magazines with and without suppressor installed. First auto 22 I have ever shot that would do this without considerable work to lighten the bolt and springs. S&W might want to look at the factory spring and make it a tad heavier, although i really like it.
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Old 12-28-2016, 12:42 PM
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I believe there is merit in your theory as to a "hot" load blowing back the bolt before the bullet leaves the barrel which could cause the case to eject prematurely and explode. My Victory amazed me the other day by auto-cycling CCI 710 fps Quiets. It wasn't a fluke either, multiple magazines with and without suppressor installed. First auto 22 I have ever shot that would do this without considerable work to lighten the bolt and springs. S&W might want to look at the factory spring and make it a tad heavier, although i really like it.
You may have the answer, the first detonation really did some damage, now she just has a glass jaw with any ammo that is over specks. Too bad, it is a beautiful pistol, shoots very accurately and is a delight, so far ahead of the competition it is pathetic.

At least we can enjoy a market place that provides us a choice when we purchases 22 ammo. I will try some of the quite stuff thanks for sharing your observation & thoughts.
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Unhappy Magazine issues

Frustrated with this pistol jamming every three or four rounds. Bought five mags and some are so poorly made the rounds fall out because the follower hangs up and doesn't move up or down smoothly enough to keep tension on rounds and mag collar. The guns also appears to have an issue with 36 grain rounds vs 40 grain rounds. I have tried both lead and jacketed rounds and have to clear the Gun so often I am ready to sell it. Never had this problem with Rutgers or hi-standard .22's. mags are garbage.
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:36 PM
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I've achieved a truce with the takedown screw backing out by simply tightening really really tight. I just wonder if it will wear out from putting that much torque on it. We'll see. You can call it a design issue or not, propose solutions like Loctite or not, but either way I don't like it. I'm not going to change my mind about that.

A few days ago I put about 150 rounds through it, switching off between the 2 mags. After a while, if I loaded 10 rounds, the second one failed to feed and was deformed in the bargain (bullet bent down from the case mouth). This happened every time after shooting a few dozen rounds. Upon examination I discovered that the mag follower was semi-stuck with a full mag. It was pushing up very slowly. Fed the first round because it was already at the top, but failed the second because the mag has to feed the round as fast as the bolt is cycling, and it wasn't even close. This did not occur if I only loaded 5 or 6, so that's what I did for the rest of the range outing.

When I got home I cleaned the mags thoroughly and oiled them. On my latest range trip I didn't have the problem. OK, gotta oil the mags. It's a polymer follower in a plated steel body. Shouldn't need lubrication. Compared to Ruger .22mags, these things feel cheap and flimsy. They don't take down for cleaning like a proper mag: you have to stick something in the slots and pull the spring away from the baseplate. Cheap.

On the plus side, the gun feels good in the hand, is nice and muzzle heavy as a target pistol should be, trigger isn't bad, shoots reasonably well, and the mag release is where it should be.

By and large I'm a big fan of S&W, mostly their revolvers. I was excited by the idea of this pistol, as it seemed like it would be easy to clean and I liked the way it looks. So far, I have to say I'm kind of disappointed. My old (bought it used in '96) Ruger MK II bull barrel target pistol is a better gun.
As soon as I saw the introductory video of this unfortunate Victory model, I surmised the take down screw that you must remove to field strip for cleaning would be a big problem. There have been repeated complaints. First it loosens on its own, a nice feature if you like a pistol that "disassembles itself" without warning. Then it is so tight, it is exceedingly difficult to remove.

I am waiting for some engineer to tell me what, if anything, was wrong with the push button disassembly of the 22A/22S Series which had a system that was basically a copy of the High Standard system, an excellent system indeed.

Anyone care to take a stab on why that excellent system was replaced with the Victory bad system?

It is not likely it is a patent issue as the patent would have run out long ago.

In the words of Ferris Bueller's teacher, "anyone. . . anyone?"
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:40 AM
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Cost is probably why, easier and cheaper to build this way. Why not try a No.61 O-ring with the barrel screw as well. Torque it to around 35 inch lbs and be Happy for a really long time.
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Barrie, I totally agree. I went to Amazon and bought a bag of them and the problem is completely gone. Non existent !!! I skipped one cleaning and went to the range twice, shot approx. 600 rounds and when I came home the second trip after 600 total rounds and three weeks the screw was as tight as when I put it in. The O ring is still the same one and still looks new. It really is the most simple fix without doing any damage to the screw or finish.
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