I have a 40 cal model 410 that is not an American pride , it has a metal rod inside spring not the plastic that the American pride has , does anyone know anything about this model. I was told that it was a test model when either deciding on 10mm or tweaking it before mass producing American pride

Smith & Wesson 410, part of Smith & Wesson's American Pride Series of pistols among the others 457, 915 were all part of the value series, I believe. But I've been proven incorrect before.
All of the value series came with various nylon parts. The metal recoil coil rod in your 410 most likely was a replacement part for the 4006.
The 410's were made from 1996 to 2005. It replaced the previous 411 model.

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Another thread.
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A few photos and serial number prefix might help to confirm or disprove what you were told. It doesn't sound right given that the Model 410 was simply the post-AWB 10-round version of the earlier Model 411 and was first offered several years after the last 10mm 3rd Gen bit the dust. But I'd never say never.

Based on my observations, it's far more likely that you have a Model 410 with a replacement metal recoil spring guide as member opaul pointed out.

every 410 american pride has a stamp on it. and says used polymer , mine is all metal pics attached. would the 410 pride come 20161203_135738.jpg

20161203_135813.jpgwithout a stamp

I have to agree with that if this pistol has a steel rod in it then its a replacement rod and spring setup which is a improvement over the original issued rod and spring in them.

I've never heard of them referred to as the "American Pride" guns, but thought that they were "Value Line".

Either way, they were an attempt by S&W to produce a less expensive 3rd Gen alloy framed gun to compete with Glock.

The 410 was in fact the follow on to the 411. It came with a 10 round magazine until the AWB was repealed at which point it was sold with an 11 round magazine. There was even a 410S with an silver alloy frame and stainless slide.

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Fairly late in the game, S&W changed the name of their "Value Line" pistols to their "American Pride" pistols (not to be confused, of course, with the "American Pride" PC Model 29-8 Revolver).

I'd have to look up or otherwise figure out what year they made that name change, but it was pretty close to the end of 3rd Gen model production if memory serves me right.

The 410 is part of an "economy version" of the 3rd Gen Autos of the time period. The 410 replaced the 411, and was renamed because of the 1994 AWB, which limited mag capacities to 10 rounds. Thus, 915 became 910, and 411 became 410. The 411/410 would have been the economy versions of the 4006.

Often, users would replace the plastic parts, such as the guide rod, the "Leggos" snap-on mag catch assembly, and other parts.

Your pistol likely left the factory as a run-of-the-mill 410, and a previous owner "improved" it.

I have seen 457's with metal guide rods but just the plunger end is plastic. Were there guide rods that are entirely made of plastic?

are you the original owner???...many owner's of Value Line/American Pride pistols fell to the urge to add a metal guide rod, change sights...perhpas yours is one the previous owner wanted to "upgrade???"

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Thanks. I'll scan through the SCSW to see if they make a mention of that. I think I'll continue to refer to them as Value Line guns, just because it's less confusing (to me).

I'm very impressed with my 457 and based on that wouldn't hesitate to buy a Value Line gun if I came across one that filled a need.

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I don't think the latest edition of the Bible mentions the alternate/later name for the Value Line series. I know that the "American Pride" name was used in 2005 & 2006 (see here) and it was not used in 2003. I just don't know about 2004.

Eight out of my last thirteen 3rd Gen acquisitions were Value Line guns. I love the damn things. And, as you know, we can legally import most of them into moonbat MA... something we can't readily do with many of the Premium Line 3rd Gen pistols.

Looking at the suggested retail prices back then, the 3rd Gens have held value while at the same time being used gun bargains. Let's just hope the world doesn't find out.

I would think that every handgun in the brochure is importable, even the 3913LS. At least I hope so.

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Well, you know all about our "lists" and our evil AG lady.

Anyway, the Model 3913LS *is* on the EOPS list... so no worries there! Others that were discontinued before 1998 are generally not on the EOPS list. For those still in production after 1998, some are on the list and some ain't.

I got ahold of S&W said sku# was 104740, was built 09/17/1996 and 20,041 were built. I was reading up on value line says poloymer, none on this gun anywhere // I see all value line have a stamp that mine does not have above the serial #. the mag is S&W holds 11/ I would have to have changed the whole bottom to get the value line look see pics410%202_jpg_thumbnail1.jpg
this is value line pic , I give up , is that about normal to make 20k in the time frame given

I don't know what source would say the Value Line guns were polymer, but it's wrong. I think all of them have alloy frames and either carbon or stainless slides.

I think the main difference between the 411 and 410 were the magazines. Which should be interchangeable just as the 59xx/915/910 magazines were interchangeable. Although there were some pretty significant design changes to the barrel and slide on the 910 to make manufacturing less expensive.

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