The old saying is "Friends don't let friends buy Promags."

I bought 4 for an out of production FEG/Mauser and they worked fine. One stopped locking the slide back fairly quickly but as far as shooting the gun they were OK.

A pair 10 rounders I bought for a Mini-30 had me confounded for a long time until I found that they just needed the plating reamed out of the front locking pin hole.

Why 10 rounders for a Mini-30? would be a valid question. The answer would be that 20 rounders are no-go in Kalifornistan and Ruger doesn't make 'em in 10 rounds.

I've heard all about the Pro Mags, but at a that price I figured they were essentially free and if they did not work or quit working they will make good range mags to practice clearing malfunctions.

Well after much searching I finally ponied up $150 for a new 4040PD magazine. Figuring 3 mags was essential if I wanted to carry my 4040PD in my shoulder holster rig with a 2 mag pouch.

I find it rather outrageous to pay that much for a 7 round OEM magazine but that's what's the going price for the scarce mag for a 4040PD. You have to pay if you want to play.

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Ouch!!!!!

That beats the most I have paid out for a 3rd Gen magazine by more than double. Holy cow!

Seeing two 10rd 6906 factory mags for auction right now on BEE Bay.
Good price also i think.

WOW..........$50 more than a 17round glock mag in 1995

Sadly for me magazine price has become a deciding factor when looking at purchasing a firearm.


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Try Brownells $36

Edit to say: I ordered two and went back to post a link. It now shows out of stock. Sorry, but They have them every once in a while.

A friend has a couple for his 4506 & he says they work fine. I ordered 4 before I found factory cop turnins. For the $$$ can't go too far wrong for range toys.

The Pro Mags were backordered BTW so maybe we're on to something. The mag bodies my friend has look identical to the factory ones....

I finally found some 1006 mag bodies - in unknown condition - on Numrich. Floor plates are sold out on Midway and Numrich - and I'm guessing that 4506 floor plates won't fit the 1006?? I hope I'm wrong!!

Looks like this thread doesn't garner much attention. That said, just wanted to update that the 1006 mag bodies arrived from Numrich. They're factory/original but had some light surface rust. The rust cleaned up completely with Break Free and stainless steel wool. Butt plates just showed up today (on Numrich - ordered today) for $1.75 - so now all I need are a couple of followers and buttplate catch assemblies. Looks like I'll have about $50 apiece into new-looking mags here in a few weeks ...

Probably everyone knows it already, but for the 4506 you can use any 1911 magazine, you just have to alter the magazine catch opening a bit.
It is on the you tube somewhere.

Went to the Berea show today,Sunday Feb.19. Picked up a couple 45 7rd mags. One of the clip/mag guys that I picked up one of the 45 mags from show me a couple 59 pre-bans.
S&W OEM mags in abundance(they were everywhere) were 59XX 15rd,69XX 12rd,40XX 11rd,and 45XX 8rd.

Neither,just adding a post to the 'what's going on with 3rd gen magazines ?' thread.

Found a source for LEO/MIL Only Marked OEM 6906 mags (Used) for $28.95. The inventory at Double Action says they currently have 84 in stock. I ordered 6 of them this past week. When they arrived, they were in excellent condition.

S&W (23892LE) 6906 9 MM 12 RND USED LE MAG | Double Action Indoor Shooting Center & Gun Shop

I just picked up some 3914 mags on midway, $26.24 each.

Today they still had those as well as 5900 series, SD9, SD40, CS 45 and many others at that price.

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They are also showing a couple of used 3913 mags for $20 each. I got plenty for mine or I'd buy them.

Went to the Warren Ohio show today,Sunday. Picked up 10 mags. 2 69XX 12rd,3 59XX pre-ban,1 40S&W 10rd,3 45XX 8rd,1 45 945PC 8rd.

You might get a kick out of this: 12-round 6900 magazines at this weekend's MA show... $50 each. 3913 and 4013 magazines... $40 each. Note that brand new 3913 magazines are on sale right now at MidwayUSA for $26.24 each.

No 10-round 5900 or 6900 magazines in sight. I asked every dealer selling magazines at the show and they all complained that 10-rounders are near impossible to find right now.

$40.00 for a 3913 magazine are Ebay stupid prices, not real world prices. Depending on which version of the 4013 it is, the magazines might be worth that, but since I'm not a .40 guy, I don't know what the market is for thos.

I have a bunch of pre ban 12 round 69xx magazines. Maybe I should list them at $45.00 on the local to me forum and see what happens.

I think that the problem with 10 round 59xx, 69xx magazines is that there are so few states where they are needed that no one is really interested in making them.

I'd bet that there were a lot of them tossed into the trash after the law expired since people in MOST states were able to buy standard capacity magazines even if they were marked "For military and LE use only".

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You are right. That 4013 magazine at $40.00 was not a bad deal. Prices have come way down from their highs on that infamous auction site. $40.00 is about par for the course these days. It was the price on the 6900-series 12-rounders that floored me. And that was from a normally reasonable vendor with a good supply of them.

The thing with 10-rounders is that Commiefornia has now mandated them with no grandfathering allowed. That alone is enough to drain down the entire country's supply. I won't comment on the other moonbat states but I see demand for 10-rounders just going up, Up, UP!

How much are new 10 rd 6906 mags worth?

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Only one way to find out! You sellin'?

I have 2 to remind me of the old oppressive days.

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I still see the letters "NY" in your location line so I don't think I would sell them just yet if I were you.

All kidding aside, I do see some of the marginal moonbat states eventually following Commiefornia's lead... and I cannot discount the possibility that my own loony moonbat state might someday try to eliminate the grandfathering of pre-ban hi-cap magazines. Imagine the situation I would be in if that were to happen. It wouldn't be pretty.

Always keep a hacksaw ready.

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If there is enough demand, somebody will probably make them. Maybe S&W, maybe Mec-Gar, maybe Pro Mag .

About five years ago now, I bought some pre ban magazines at from an out of state vendor at a MA gun show. He had a bin of about a dozen for $25.00 each. Mixed in was one LE marked 12 round. I handed it to him and asked if he meant to put that one out. "No, that got in there by mistake." was the answer. He put it away and I bought four or so.

I probably have more than I need, but bought them against the day when no more were available.

Of course if I move out of the PRM, a lot of my pre ban standard capacity magazines will go up for sale.

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It's a strange strange world we live in Master Jack....

When the 94 AWB was going into effect.... I decided it was a good time to cover my flanks......

while others in W. Pa. were pay $100 for hi-cap Glock mags......... I was buying.......................

$350.... 3913/14/NLs and $15-20 dollar magazines......... Beretta 92-Ms single stacks 8+1 and $15 mags at a local Police Supply House ...... and K-frame revolvers ...... and Safariland Comp I and II Speedloaders.......................

..... figured 6-7 8 round magazines or a half dozen speedloaders........ was better than "1" 15-17 round high-cap

There are already some third parties producing them, but everybody wants the "real thing" if they can possibly get it.

I must say that I'm in pretty darn good shape magazine-wise right now thanks in large part to some truly great forum members and a little luck shopping here and there. Sadly, one of my best local sources recently shut me off cold in favor of his bosom-buddy hunting buds. Ticked me off greatly but his shop, his rules... right? He's dead to me now.

My next challenge? Some P226 and CZ75 pre-bans. Maybe some Hi-Power pre-bans as well. Then watch you-know-who pull the rug out from underneath us with another new "enforcement notice" made up out of thin air.

You should see what pre-ban Glock magazines are going for up here. It totally boggles the mind.

While the math of multiple magazines may make sense, the psychology of it doesn't. Who wants to go around with a full-size, half-capacity pistol? Especially knowing that the Godless miscreants out there are under no such moonbat restrictions.

I carried my 6906 for a while, but found that with it loaded and a spare magazine, I was carrying more weight than I wanted.

I carry one of the 39xx compacts with one spare magazine now, for the most part. Plenty of ammunition since I'm not invading another country and don't plan to get into a prolonged shoot out. For the most part, the spare magazine is insurance against some sort of malfunction.

I had a Glock 23 for a couple of years. I didn't like shooting it all that much, and I think that's responsible for my aversion to .40 handguns. Which is probably a good thing since I'd need more safe space and more ammo locker space.

Not to mention more money.

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the 4013 mags(for 4013,4014,4053,4054) will/should command a higher price as they are also sought for conversion to 10mm.

Your aversion to .40 3rd Gens has worked out very well for me. Thank you!

But as you know, I consider my beloved 3rd Gens far too precious to carry. I carry plastic... cheap, soulless, who-cares-about-it plastic. And with a maximum of 10-rounds and usually something less. My hi-cap pistols are all for the range and for home.

Well, if it weren't for the folks that think they need 20 mags or more per gun, there wouldn't be a mag shortage. Personally, I'm good 3-4. If you shoot in competition, you get a bye.
Stated above that a .45 ACP mag for a 1911 could be modified to work with a 45XX gun by altering the catch notch. How 'bout a 10mm 1911 mag? Same difference?

True, but the days of $100+ 4013/4053 magazines on that large online auction site are gone for good now I think. Current average is about $50 with a low of $43.75 as we speak.

20 or more per gun???

Heck, I'm still working on getting up to 3 to 4 spares per gun in most cases. I do exceed that on a couple of my 3rd Gens but only if you count practice magazines (older, outdated magazines I picked up cheap) and 4013/4053 magazines (because I never found a 4013 (non-TSW) in good enough shape to buy despite lots of looking).

But as I've said before, I am hurting most in my current production guns where I often have only one spare and, in a few cases, no spare at all. My limited budget means making some hard choices. It's still better right now for me to focus on older discontinued and "pre-ban" magazines than on brand new ones.

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Oh come on! Don't try to make me feel bad! I've never made any secret of it. Just like Brother Sevens, cheap, soulless, lightweight, disposable plastic works for me while my beloved 3rd Gens remain at home safe and sound. I worked far too hard to find them and buy them.

Haha, yes, I am the tupperware HATER that exclusively carries tupperware.

On topic--
Do we, anywhere in this thread (it's six pages, now 290 posts...!) have a SUCCICT guide for propery identifying magazines and more importantly, variations of magazines?

Having that very specific info in one clean place would be quite an asset.. no? As I look through just my full-size double stack 59xx magazines it seems I've got a little of this, a little of that... pre-ban, post-ban, 2nd Gen, LE restricted, I've got ambi, non-ambi, sleeve-bottom, etc etc.

It would be nice to REALLY know what was what.

Anyone ever tell the undertaker "he shot me with a polymer gun"?

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For me the magic number of magazines to make range visits productive and enjoyable is 8. Around here that number was easily doable without too much damage to the wallet also. As far as "....."cheap, soulless, lightweight, disposable plastic,....." is concerned....it would hurt me just as much if any of my "Deutschland" guns found their way to an evidence locker as much as my 3913NL. And it certainly will not be "cheap" to get to the 8 mags per gun with them as it was for my 3rd. gens.

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I've always wondered why the Bible (i.e., the "SCSW") never got into the topic of S&W magazines. Perhaps it is too complicated or mysterious or proprietary a subject to tackle... perhaps no one outside of us 3rd Gen'rs and moonbat state pre-ban magazine hunters really care. I think some people here could probably put together one helluva chapter on the subject... but it sure would help if there was better information coming direct from S&W (possibly from Roy?) about who made what when and why?

No, but I think it would make a great line for a movie.

Well, I see that (i.e., range convenience) as a slightly different topic. Consider that I have six 3rd Gens at last count that use 5900-series magazines (not counting my 6906's). If I had 3 spares for each (4 in total for each), I'd have 24 magazines and no problem bringing as many magazines to the range as I could carry. Even with just a single spare for each, I could meet your range criteria... but I'd still consider myself short for individual gun value purposes. In other words, the "magic number" issue gets complicated when you own multiple similar guns.

Oh, I understand that not all plastic is cheap! I own three plastic H&K's and some "Massachusetts Glocks" so I know that all too well.

But what I carry *is* plenty cheap. My bodyguard .380 was only $259 brand new. My LC9s Pro, my (slightly used) SR9c and my last Shield 9mm were all $299 each (some plus tax).

And it's not about the evidence locker for me. It's purely a wear & tear issue... and possibly a serious damage or theft issue. My beloved pristine 3rd Gens are irreplaceable in a practical sense (or at least awfully hard for me to replace here in moonbat MA). But all my cheap plastic wonder guns could be replaced today from petty cash if I had to do so.

And that's why I carry cheap plastic.

I think that the topic of magazines might be too "inside S&W" for 99% of the reading audience, even 3rd Gen owners.

Pre ban, ban, post ban, whatever is of interest to only a small percent of gun owners. In MA, we're vitally interested in standard capacity magazine production dates because there is some risk of a close encounter with law enforcement over the issue.

Keep in mind that no otherwise legally licensed gun owner has been charged with possessing "post ban" magazines. All of the people charged with possessing a "high capacity feeding device" were also charged with possession of guns and ammunition without a license.

AR15 owners are more likely to run into this issue that 3rd Gen owners. Glock owners may as well.

Here is my take on 3rd Gen magazines. If they are factory standard capacity 59xx and 69xx magazines without the "LE and military only" markings, they are pre ban. The ones that are marked are legal in most other states, but not MA. The ones that have the S&W logo, but no warning statement are post ban and should be avoided.

Then again, the only magazines I've seen with the logo are 39xx and and compact 45xx guns, as well as their Value Line versions.

All of my 6906 magazines are pre ban and OEM. My 5906 magazines are all pre ban, but there are a few Mec-Gar mixed in with the OEM. The only real differences between the OEM and Mec-Gar s the lack of marking in the slot in the baseplate and the different number of witness holes in the magazine body.

For whatever reason, there are very slight variations in OEM magazines over the years. I certainly don't obsess over them. My guess is that S&W outsources magazines, because I 've never seen any evidence that they were made at the factory the various times I've been there.

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For me, TTSH, and just about anyone else in MA, this is a moot point. If anyone of us were involved in a self defense shooting, ALL of our guns and & ammunition would be taken away, along with our license. At least until the investigation was complete. Depending on what the police department decided to do, they'd either be sent to a "bonded warehouse" where the storage fees would quickly add up to more than the worth of the guns. At which point, the "bonded warehouse" would take possession of them and sell them off to cover the costs.

Even if I could afford the storage fee, they tack on a transfer fee to give me my own property. So, I carry one of my 3rd Gens most of the time and don't worry about it.

I've considered buying a cheap "travel" gun for when I go down south, but haven't done it yet. Somehow, I have a feeling that if I were involved in a shooting down here, even one that is 100% justified, my police chief would at the least want to see if she wants to allow me to continue to have a license. I've only met her once, but she seems reasonable. Still, living in a MAYbe issue state, it's always possible she'll look at the case by MA standards and decide I'm "unsuitable".

That, and not the lack of 3rd Gens is one of the big reasons I'm eager to leave MA.

But, I digress.

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Not a constitutional lawyer.... but seem like someone could make some decent arguments about unreasonable 4th Amendment seizures.

Well as TTSH always says ......it's a moonbat state.

Yeah, it's how they roll here Bam. It's "guilty until proven innocent" for any licensed gun owner. You don't lose one gun. You lose them all. They start by instantly voiding your license and then you are in illegal possession anyway... so bye-bye entire collection. Once the bonded warehouse thieves get hold of them, you will never see them again except online six months later for sale or auction to out-of-staters.

As I've said before, the practical threat level may be low but the penalties and hassle factor would be devastating to the licensed gun owner/collector if so charged. Again, there goes your license for life... if not on conviction, then on "suitability"!

I have another concern. More and more as time goes on, cops on the streets of MA have no clue whatsoever about what constitutes a legal "pre-ban" magazine vs. a banned magazine. So it's get charged with a crime now and let the loony moonbat prosecutors & judges figure it out later. Damage done regardless and good luck coming out still of that process still holding your LTC.

Anyway, back to you first point: Would a chapter on magazines really be inappropriate in the next edition of the Bible? I guess the revolver folks wouldn't care a hoot... but you know damn well that I would be studying it like a champ!

In that scenario your only recourse is............"tragic boating accident"

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If only it were that simple.