Striker Fire rather than Hammer Fire?

TTSH · #51 04-23-2016, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by petepeterson

We'll forgive you for not wearing your Sonny Crockett outfit on a routine basis. It gets cold where you live...

Hey, you may laugh Pete... but back in the day, Sonny and I were practically indistinguishable from one another.

Twins almost!!!

Here is an old photo of me...

... or maybe that one is Sonny?

It's even hard for me to tell at this point.

OK Hog Shooter · #52 04-23-2016, 10:17 AM

All I gotta say is that I'm an old fashioned older guy... only one striker fired pistol in my safe... please give me a 2nd/3rd gen Smith or any older non-IL Smith wheel gun! I like a hammer, preferably DA/SA... trigger pull doesn't matter to me; it's just a question of getting used to whatever I have with me at the time... so I guess I will have to practice with them all... darn it!

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CAJUNLAWYER · #53 04-23-2016, 11:09 AM

I prefer a hammer gun over striker. I never liked the idea that when everything was "at rest" the hammer pin spring was still slightly compressed no matter how many internal safeties. I also like the idea of repeat strike capability which striker fired guns do not have-save for the two exceptions listed earlier.
Finally S&W does indeed currently manufacture a hammer fired plastic gun-the M&P380. It was for this reason I bought it over the Ruger.

ladder13 · #54 04-23-2016, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CAJUNLAWYER

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Finally S&W does indeed currently manufacture a hammer fired plastic gun-the M&P380. It was for this reason I bought it over the Ruger.

Well I'll be.......

LedFowl · #55 04-23-2016, 07:27 PM

I think the Luger is striker fired. The idea has been around for a while.

5Wire · #56 04-23-2016, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CAJUNLAWYER

I prefer a hammer gun over striker. I never liked the idea that when everything was "at rest" the hammer pin spring was still slightly compressed no matter how many internal safeties. I also like the idea of repeat strike capability which striker fired guns do not have-save for the two exceptions listed earlier.
Finally S&W does indeed currently manufacture a hammer fired plastic gun-the M&P380. It was for this reason I bought it over the Ruger.

I hear ya.

My thinking, exactly. That has lead to my respect and admiration for the pistols I mentioned above, HK P7s and SW/Walther P99s. Both allow relaxed striker spring conditions with easy, tangible and visual confirmation.

The P7 requires only to slightly relax one's grip on the cocking lever (front strap). No pressure, gun will not fire.

P99s decock. No pressure. The trigger reverts to a relatively long double action pull. Gun will fire. In fact the manual for my first P99 (an early one) tersely printed in red for emphasis, to the effect, "If you want to fire the P99, pull the trigger. Made sense to me.

It seems to me overall the advantage of striker fired pistols is the combination of reduced mass and reduced volume of space in which to house a mechanism to detonate primers.

Jaymo · #57 04-24-2016, 07:56 PM

I never understood the idea that mediocre accuracy and horrid triggers are acceptable for SD guns.
If I'm forced to shoot another person in SD, I want to make damned sure that my rounds go exactly where they should. Missing the BG and hitting someone or something else is unacceptable.
I want the best possible trigger and the best possible accuracy, without sacrificing reliability and durability.
Horrible triggers are not conducive to good accuracy.

I'd like to see someone tell the competition crowd that good triggers are a crutch, and that they should just learn how to shot what they have.
It just doesn't work that way in the real world.
****** trigger pulls throw your shots off.

I have both metal/hammer-fired and Tupperware-striker fired.
I carry both. I like both. I like metal/hamer-fired much better.

rwsmith · #58 04-24-2016, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 18DAI

There were no striker fired 3rd gen pistols. Perhaps you are thinking of the DAO models where the hammer is partially obscured by the slide.

Anyways, the striker fired guns are plastic and cheaper to make. Unlike Sig and Beretta, the current company calling itself s&w has chosen not to offer a hammer fired semi auto pistol, other than their 1911 line.

As far as I can tell, the appeal of the striker fired guns - to some - is their light weight, cheap price and "same trigger pull for every shot". Even though the pull is spongy or gritty. Regards 18DAI

The 'hammer' doesn't look like a 'hammer' in my 5943. It looks like it's plastic and that it might hit a striker type thing. Is that right????

OK, what's the difference in reliability, repeatability and all of those other 'billities' between hammers and strikers? Which one works better and why???

Jaymo · #59 04-24-2016, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rwsmith

The 'hammer' doesn't look like a 'hammer' in my 5943. It looks like it's plastic and that it might hit a striker type thing. Is that right????

OK, what's the difference in reliability, repeatability and all of those other 'billities' between hammers and strikers? Which one works better and why???

If it's black, it's made by a process called Metal Injection Molding.
It's steel.

99savage308 · #60 04-26-2016, 05:43 PM

Striker or hammer fire. For real? Is this talk for real? Well for a save my back side and someone else's. Who in this world gives a shiatsu. These striker guns are made to the job and not cost a car payment. As of early this year, Smith and Wesson has shipped a million Shields since they started making 'em. So what is the beef? Smith has proved once again they kick butt when it comes to making and selling guns. Some gun companies have looked and learned how to make a handgun the way it should be and the way it should be made. Striker fire works hands down. Nuff said .

ladder13 · #61 04-27-2016, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 99savage308

Striker or hammer fire. For real? Is this talk for real? Well for a save my back side and someone else's. Who in this world gives a shiatsu. These striker guns are made to the job and not cost a car payment. As of early this year, Smith and Wesson has shipped a million Shields since they started making 'em. So what is the beef? Smith has proved once again they kick butt when it comes to making and selling guns. Some gun companies have looked and learned how to make a handgun the way it should be and the way it should be made. Striker fire works hands down. Nuff said .

Tell us how you really feel

Jaymo · #62 05-02-2016, 07:58 PM

But, the striker fired guns DO cost a car payment, or more.

TTSH · #63 05-02-2016, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaymo

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Originally Posted by 99savage308

These striker guns are made to the job and not cost a car payment.

But, the striker fired guns DO cost a car payment, or more.

It appears that member 99savage308 drives a much more expensive car than we do!

My last car payment cost me just under half a Shield per month.

Jaymo · #64 05-02-2016, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TTSH

It appears that member 99savage308 drives a much more expensive car than we do!

My last car payment cost me just under half a Shield per month.

If you buy an HK P7, it costs as much as a good mortgage payment.

Jaymo · #65 05-02-2016, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ladder13

Tell us how you really feel

But, how many of them have kaboomed?

ladder13 · #66 05-03-2016, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaymo

But, how many of them have kaboomed?

I'm guessing less than the amount of 6rd 4513 mags out there for sale.

And much less than the amount of rails that fell off Sigs.

Now, the only question left is when Shields hit the 2 million mark?

amcline82 · #67 05-03-2016, 08:40 AM

I think you are missing a lot. Springfield XD line, CZ duty line, some lines in Ruger, and Kahrs just to name some of them

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Elliot45 · #68 05-03-2016, 08:59 AM

I love my Colt Gold Cup .45, some old S&W .357 revolvers, an old Browning .22, a Beretta 84 and a Sig P238. That being said, I carry a Shield 9mm that has an Apex sear and trigger block which gives it a great trigger and my M&P Pro 9mm that has an Apex FSS trigger kit installed in it is one of the most accurate guns I've ever owned. So while the new polymer guns may not have the same aesthetic appeal the old guns had, they can be just as useful (if not more so) than the old handguns. I'd be sick if one of my old guns got lost, stolen or damaged but a new one can be easilty replaced. And the triggers can be fantastic if you want them to be and they are the same pull weight everytime. Regards, Elliot45

18DAI · #69 05-03-2016, 09:13 AM

Its nice that Apex gives the m&p series everything the factory didn't.

Stan O · #70 05-03-2016, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fowler

I fear the day of the disposable hand gun is not far away, may even be here now.

I thought it was already and it's name was Glock.

Stan O · #71 05-03-2016, 09:49 AM

I won't own a striker fired handgun. Every one I've ever tried has had a terrible trigger that felt like plastic. I also like to see if a hangun is cocked. Not as obvious on a striker fired at a glance. Just my opinion from an old wood and steel guy.

ladder13 · #72 05-03-2016, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Arik

There are plenty of other striker fired guns aside from S&W and Glock. The only company I can think of of the top of my head that does not offer a striker is CZ.

All 3rd gens are hammer fired. Some are DAO and some are SA/DA. Some of the DAO have a flush hammer so they may spear to be striker fired.

Advantages are that you get a consistent trigger each and every time. DA/SA is typically 10 lbs pull on double action and somewhere around 5 lbs in single action. Strikers are all about 5lbs.

I like both but I like striker better. All hammer fired guns feel differently and I don't care for the trigger pulls. Beretta and CZ seem to be heavier than S&W 3rd gen or Sig. There is no consistency, for me anyway. I can pick up 5 different CZ or Beretta and each will feel like it has a different trigger pull weight in double action. S&W also seem smoother in their DA pull. Where as striker fired guns all feel the same......with a few exceptions lately being the HK VP, Sig 320 and Walther PPQ.

A lot comes down to what you want your gun to do and how you view it. If you're into target shooting, feeling your gun, playing with it then striker fired is probably not for you. If you view it as a training and self defense tool then you look at it more practically and performance trumps feelings

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Gotta love Arik, a practical guy who takes all the emotional rah rah and BS out of the argument.

TTSH · #73 05-03-2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Elliot45

I love my Colt Gold Cup .45, some old S&W .357 revolvers, an old Browning .22, a Beretta 84 and a Sig P238. That being said, I carry a Shield 9mm that has an Apex sear and trigger block which gives it a great trigger and my M&P Pro 9mm that has an Apex FSS trigger kit installed in it is one of the most accurate guns I've ever owned. So while the new polymer guns may not have the same aesthetic appeal the old guns had, they can be just as useful (if not more so) than the old handguns. I'd be sick if one of my old guns got lost, stolen or damaged but a new one can be easily replaced. And the triggers can be fantastic if you want them to be and they are the same pull weight every time. Regards, Elliot45

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Originally Posted by 18DAI

Its nice that Apex gives the m&p series everything the factory didn't.

My problem is that I don't like paying the "Apex Tax" for every S&W M&P plastic wonder gun that I feel like picking up.

I know I should but I'm a poor, stubborn old man who has never had to pay a "tax" on any of my all-metal handguns to get them to work right out of the box (which I suppose is why I keep buying them).

But Elliot is 100% right about one thing.

I don't have to worry a hoot about my cheap, plastic wonder guns getting dropped, damaged, lost or stolen.

They're disposable, after all.

And so that's why I carry them and not my beloved 3rd Gens!

ladder13 · #74 05-03-2016, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TTSH

My problem is that I don't like paying the "Apex Tax" for every S&W M&P plastic wonder gun that I feel like picking up.

I know I should but I'm a poor, stubborn old man who has never had to pay a "tax" on any of my all-metal handguns to get them to work right out of the box (which I suppose is why I keep buying them).

But Elliot is 100% right about one thing.

I don't have to worry a hoot about my cheap, plastic wonder guns getting dropped, damaged, lost or stolen.

They're disposable, after all.

And so that's why I carry them and not my beloved 3rd Gens!

I wouldn't want to stand IFO you facing the muzzle, with either gun.

Others might want to take that risk.

racemi · #75 05-03-2016, 01:59 PM

For me, it's the trigger reset that I don't like on striker fired pistols. My 39-2 has a 1/8 inch reset. I haven't found a striker fired pistol with that short a reset. DA/SA pull is no problem for me. When at the range I only fire single action and if I have to defend myself with a quick first shot DA, then I can do it. I just don't like the long reset on the striker fired pistols.

Elliot45 · #76 05-04-2016, 10:02 AM

racemi, after installing Apex parts, the trigger reset is much shorter. Regards, Elliot45

Krell1 · #77 05-04-2016, 11:25 AM

I admit I know next to nothing about striker fired pistols. It's been said that the trigger pull is more consistent vs hammer fired.

All the guns I've ever used over the past 50+ years have been hammer fired. The absolute best, most consistent, flawless trigger in my opinion is, hands down, is a Model 52. I picked mine up in the late 80's as a gun I had been drooling over for many years. Paid $400 for it, a bargain even then. This trigger beats any other custom trigger I've ever tried.

You can tell me all you want about good, consistent triggers and try to convince me that I'm wrong. Pick up my 52 and try the trigger and, as they say, you'll break into your "happy dance".

R. G. Amos · #78 05-04-2016, 05:42 PM

The bore axis on striker fired guns is usually appreciably lower than that for hammer fired. The hand can be moved further up the grip resulting in less muzzle rise. This is a consequence of the design not the motivating factor.

DanHend · #79 05-05-2016, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by racemi

For me, it's the trigger reset that I don't like on striker fired pistols. My 39-2 has a 1/8 inch reset. I haven't found a striker fired pistol with that short a reset.

Walther PPQ is close with 1/10" reset with a 4# trigger. It's very nice. It's what I should have bought instead of a full apex M&P a year ago.

Elliot45 · #80 05-05-2016, 09:21 AM

DanHend, what do you mean by a "full apex M&P a year ago"? Does that mean you bought an M&P and had a full Apex FSS trigger kit installed? I know that I bought the M&P Pro with the 5" barrel and had the Apex FSS trigger kit installed. I have no regrets and wouldn't trade it for any other striker fired gun on the market. Regards, Elliot45

ImprovedModel56Fan · #81 05-05-2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan O

I won't own a striker fired handgun. Every one I've ever tried has had a terrible trigger that felt like plastic. I also like to see if a hangun is cocked. Not as obvious on a striker fired at a glance. Just my opinion from an old wood and steel guy.

Pretty much go along with this.

I would also add that the safety features and safe handling procedures of many hammer-fired guns are obvious and simple. I fully recognize that millions of LEOs carry striker-fired pistols, and very few of them have problems with them. Nevertheless, unlike LEOs, I don't have to carry a gun, at least not to keep my job. Therefore, I am not willing to take any more risk than necessary in handling the things. On most revolvers and hammer-fired autos, it is easy to control the hammer when holstering. Even on a newer Centennial, one can put a fingertip behind the trigger.

For everyday carry, I want a gun with hammer. I can get what I want.

Rick_A · #82 05-05-2016, 01:31 PM

Sig and Beretta have continued military usage spurring their sales. Some CZ's have NATO certification as well as a growing reputation for excellence in sporting circles as well as from owners. The prices seem to increase with the popularity.

Everything has a place. There's nothing wrong with diversity.

Rick_A · #83 05-05-2016, 03:58 PM

We have these between the wife and I.

A mix of single action, double action, and striker.

What they all have in common is they work and shoot well and are some of the best of their kind.

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The safety concerns are completely unfounded. They're all as safe as their user. If a safety or decocker is required from a mechanical standpoint, so be it. If it isn't there's no point in having one.

DanHend · #84 05-05-2016, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliot45

DanHend, what do you mean by a "full apex M&P a year ago"? Does that mean you bought an M&P and had a full Apex FSS trigger kit installed? I know that I bought the M&P Pro with the 5" barrel and had the Apex FSS trigger kit installed. I have no regrets and wouldn't trade it for any other striker fired gun on the market. Regards, Elliot45

I bought one that had the Apex DCEK and RAM. I had their flat trigger installed after I bought it. It was still... ok. It felt great in the hand, but was a so-so shooter. I ended up trading it in towards my Sig Legion SAO.

The PPQ is better in except for sights and accessories. It is more Glock 19-sized as opposed to the commander 1911-size of the M&P.

mfholmes · #85 05-05-2016, 07:47 PM

When the corporate entity calling itself S&W tried to develop a new generation of "safe" handguns that satisfied the gun control idiots and were jeered into submission by the real shooting sports buyers they settled instead on easy, cheap striker fired models with long mushy triggers. I love my Shield40 for its light weight and small size for EDC, but I consider it a "throwaway" that I wouldn't want to use beyond 15 feet. So when I take it to the range for a little target practice I also take my 3rd gen 5906 or a full size 1911 style Para Ordnance so that I feel like I've actually been doing some real shooting. The S&W striker fired lines are pretty much just cheap carry pieces that anyone can own without worrying about shooting themselves in the foot. Other than that, 18DAI pretty much said it all in the very first post.

Model 15-4ever · #86 05-05-2016, 09:40 PM

Back in the day.... when we were transitioning folks from the DA revolver to the DA/SA pistol (S&W 459, SIG P226), the most difficult teaching aspect was the two different trigger pulls of the DA/SA auto. Making two good shots at speed was very difficult for most shooters. Either the first shot was pulled, or the second one yanked due to the sudden difference in trigger travel. From a pure shooting standpoint, it is a foolish system. But under the shooting protocols of the time, it was designed to prevent accidental discharges.

I prefer the SAO 1911, but it is not for everyone. I also use the striker/poly guns and find them very efficient. My stock M&P45 shoots as well as my 1911s on combat courses of fire, although the 1911 carries concealed much better.

The SD9/40 has been mentioned. I like this pistol a lot as a polygun. The "self defense trigger" is indeed a piece of marketing gibberish to explain a very poor trigger. I generally stay away from aftermarket **** on firing mechanisms, but I did try an Apex trigger on the SD40 and it made all the difference. The trigger pull is now similar to a light DAO hammer pistol and very consistent. After hundreds of rounds it has been very reliable. Not an install for an amateur, however.

macumazahn · #87 05-05-2016, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon Narozny

When God created the heaven and the earth there were Model 41s Model 52s L frame revolvers and 65 Mustangs. I have all of those, Then along came the plastic and
bean counters and they said "no longer shall great things be built, because we cant make enough money on them and all those craftsman at ye Smith and Wesson are gone, and also people will buy ****** cars that all look alike, and they were pleased" And all the
people had to suffer. Thats the way it is folks. I love 50s music,60s cars
and all OLD guns. But I am old and when I die, everybody will say...
"what the hell was wrong with him?"

I too love old guns and old cars, there is nothing better than an all metal pistol or revolver, I have a weakness for all S&W 59 series pistols all generations, to me the last of the great pistols, besides plastic is what squirt guns are made of

5Wire · #88 05-05-2016, 10:12 PM

Some of the best and most reliable pistols manufactured have been striker fired beginning decades ago and there is nothing intrinsically cheap or shoddy about them either. What silliness.

Durability? Modern polymers used in high quality firearms may well outlast steel with much less maintenance and as Ruger demonstrated in a video—which I saw but cannot find— polymer can be harder to deform than steel but easier than steel to regain shape if deformed.

Something wrong with that?

Arik · #89 05-05-2016, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Model520Fan

Pretty much go along with this.

I would also add that the safety features and safe handling procedures of many hammer-fired guns are obvious and simple. I fully recognize that millions of LEOs carry striker-fired pistols, and very few of them have problems with them. Nevertheless, unlike LEOs, I don't have to carry a gun, at least not to keep my job. Therefore, I am not willing to take any more risk than necessary in handling the things. On most revolvers and hammer-fired autos, it is easy to control the hammer when holstering. Even on a newer Centennial, one can put a fingertip behind the trigger.

For everyday carry, I want a gun with hammer. I can get what I want.

Striker fired is pretty obvious and simple. It shoots when the trigger is pulled. Same as how do you know if an AR is chambered? You don't, you either check or you assume it is and don't pull the trigger

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5Wire · #90 05-05-2016, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Arik

Striker fired is pretty obvious and simple. It shoots when the trigger is pulled. Same as how do you know if an AR is chambered? You don't, you either check or you assume it is and don't pull the trigger
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I have pistols with visible loaded chamber indicators and may also be sensible to the touch.

Some shoot if the striker is already cocked and a manual safety is off.

Some shoot by pulling the trigger, to fully cock and fire.

Some shoot by pulling the trigger, to fire and fully cock the striker.

Some don't shoot if a cocked striker is decocked and the trigger released.

Some don't shoot if a cocked trigger is decocked and a manual and/or grip safety is on.

Not to mention magazine disconnects.

Checking anyway is not a bad thing.

Rick_A · #91 05-05-2016, 10:58 PM

My wife has an M&P Shield. I have a compact 1911. Mine shoots noticeably smoother and is a little easier to shoot well...it also has a minor advantage in mechanical accuracy. That said it's bigger, ten ounces heavier, and much more difficult for the average person to field strip. The wrong magazine can completely ruin the reliability and regular recoil spring changes are much more critical.

Mine is an enthusiasts gun. Hers is simple, practical, half the price, and gets the job done just as effectively. Those two really contrast the difference between modern guns and the classics we all love.

There's nothing wrong with sticking to your guns and preferences...but let's not be so deluded as to think of the cheaper gun as any less a tool.

goldenboy · #92 05-05-2016, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rwsmith

The 'hammer' doesn't look like a 'hammer' in my 5943. It looks like it's plastic and that it might hit a striker type thing. Is that right????

OK, what's the difference in reliability, repeatability and all of those other 'billities' between hammers and strikers? Which one works better and why???

Hammer hits the firing pin. Firing pin is different than a striker.

A firing pin is a lightweight part, which serves to transfer energy from a spring loaded hammer to the primer, while a striker is usually heavier, and is directly connected to the spring providing the energy to impact the primer. Strikers combine the functions of hammer and firing pin in one. Some firing pins are attached to the hammer, as in revolvers, because there is not sufficient space for a striker to be utilized.

supervisor · #93 05-06-2016, 12:16 AM

Try any of these striker fired firearms and the trigger should make you say "these are excellent"
As a LEO I have carried the MP40 for 5 years. I'm in a 200+ man department and during last years qualifications there was not one misfire, stovepipe or any other problems and a lot of high scores. I think striker fired guns are a step up just like a percussion cap over a flintlock even though some will disagree. The ergonomics of the before mentioned MP is so far above our older S&W 59's it's not funny.

supervisor · #94 05-06-2016, 12:24 AM

Smith still makes great all metal revolvers in their classic series and they were made by craftsmen. As far as cars I remember my 1969 Chevelle SS began to rust out in three years but My 2001 GMC truck looks new. Don't confuse panacea with value.

Gunsnwater · #95 05-06-2016, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TTSH

Wasn't he all about the 1911 and, really, not a whole lot else?

Bren Ten, Scout and 1911

BigBoy99 · #96 05-06-2016, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fowler

I fear the day of the disposable hand gun is not far away, may even be here now.

They all are disposable!

Just ask the gang-banger who has just committed a murder and is running away, throwing his handgun into the storm sewer.

TTSH · #97 05-06-2016, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by supervisor

Try any of these striker fired firearms and the trigger should make you say "these are excellent" As a LEO I have carried the MP40 for 5 years. I'm in a 200+ man department and during last years qualifications there was not one misfire, stovepipe or any other problems and a lot of high scores. I think striker fired guns are a step up just like a percussion cap over a flintlock even though some will disagree. The ergonomics of the before mentioned MP is so far above our older S&W 59's it's not funny.

Oh Lordy...

Rickster49 · #98 05-06-2016, 05:34 PM

Right off the bat I will admit that having a good to excellent trigger is a huge factor in my handgun shooting enjoyment...I will also agree that for a self defense pistol likely to be used at close range (say 20 feet or less) trigger action is not very important....That being said I MUCH prefer a double or single action semi auto pistol over striker fired. This is especially the case for plinking or target shooting at ranges over say 50 feet. Why is that? Because (in my experience) to get a good to excellent trigger break in the single action mode of a semi auto pistol is relatively easy to accomplish. I have experienced just the opposite with striker fired pistols. Now I really like my Smith MP40 and SD9VE pistols but I had to spend hours on the work bench just to get a decent trigger on those guns. Compared to my FNP 40 and Beretta Storm 9mm which had good triggers to begin with and excellent triggers after a little bench time. Thus, for me at least, I much prefer a DA or SA semi auto for most of the shooting I do....

magicmanmb · #99 05-06-2016, 10:36 PM

The only polymer pistols I own that are striker are SW99 in 9,45 & an M&P in .40SW that was issued. Triggers on the 99's are great M&P after a few hours and 500 rounds is still ****** & cheap feeling. I have gone to my 4506 & 1911 Rock Island because I fired it & it broke like glass. I just traded for a hammer fired FNP in .45 not even catalogued any longer but it's smoother than any Glock and as accurate as my CZ.
Friend tried to trade me a Glock23 for a PA63 in 9x18 and I said no thanks. I changed the springs on the trigger,

Topgun434 · #**100** 05-08-2016, 02:00 PM

Everyone has a favorite, but after 10 rounds if you are a shooter, you are accurate with either.