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Old 08-17-2016, 03:54 PM
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Myself I do not recommend any form of thread locker on the screw at all. Either torque it down to 40 inch lbs or use a No.61 O-ring. Thats all you need to do.
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Old 08-18-2016, 07:25 PM
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#1 Build date: 7-21-16
#2 Can't loosen breakdown screw: used a pipe extension to break loose
#3 Loosens after fire (but never #1): No

Love this little gun. Better trigger and accuracy than any of my Rugers
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Old 09-12-2016, 04:13 PM
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I'm glad I stumbled onto this forum. I thought it was just me and that I had screwed something up trying to remove the take-down screw. I still have not managed to remove it.
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I just bought a new S&W Victory. One of the things that attracted me to is was the ease of disassembly. Just remove one screw, you're done. Yeah, if you can get the screw out. I've already stripped the hex wrench that came with it and another of my own trying to loosen it. I clamped vice grips on yet another hex wrench and torqued it until the hex wrench snapped. At this point, the screw is so chewed up I'm afraid to continue. It will NOT loosen. What did they put that screw in with, an air wrench? Permanent thread locker? I know they want to get it tight, but it is SUPPOSED to come out. Unbelievable. I had to hunt far and wide to even find one of these, and now it looks like I won't even be able to fire a shot before it spends a couple of months at the factory. I had heard Smith and Wesson's quality had improved of late. Maybe not.
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Old 09-13-2016, 12:24 AM
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jbercaw Welcome to the Forum from Canada, many of the take down screws were put in too tight at the factory. Once you get it to open up I would suggest putting a No.61 O-ring in with it when its time to retighten it back down or set it at around 40 inch lbs with a torque wrench. You may have to use a extension of some kind to unlock it for the 1st time like many others have done.
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Old 09-13-2016, 02:00 PM
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I bought a Victory last Friday. Have had it to the range 3 times and 400 rounds of 7 brands of ammo. Take down screw was tight, but did break loose with just an ordinary allen wrench. It has never come loose during shooting. (last range session was 200 rounds). I do use some "anti-seize" on the threads and I torque to 35 in lbs.
I did have ejection issues for the first 100 rounds. I "tweaked" the ejector and have not had a problem since.
I do like this better than my 22/45 lite. Accuracy is about the same.
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Old 09-23-2016, 03:40 PM
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Just got my victory, Take Down screw was laying in the box, Must have came loose during transit? Called Customer Service they didn't seem all that concerned about it, the guy said he would pass it on. Then he said if you put it back in your good to go. Worst customer service I have ever talked to.
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Old 09-24-2016, 09:08 PM
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Larrykay Welcome to the forum. What would you have the rep do, send you a mailing tag for you to ship it back. Gone for 2-3 weeks for them to just screw the screw in? There was no damage done at all and the gun probably will shoot fine. You are actually lucky as many posters cannot get the screws out at all. Put a no.61 o-ring on it when you re-install the screw in the gun and it will stay locked up until you take it out to clean it.
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Old 09-25-2016, 03:43 AM
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I must have truly lucked out but it makes you wonder why there is such a wide experience with this pistol. Mine was in tight from the factory but I was able to get it loose with out chewing things up. Before reassembly I cleaned the hole with denatured alcohol and dumped the screw in a cap full of it. One thing I noticed was a lot of oil in there from the factory. WIth a torque wrench I tightened things down to 30in pounds that was as far as I was comfortable going. Me and my son has since put 500 rounds through it without any issue and the screw is still tight. After seeing all of this maybe that is why Ruger released the Mark IV with push button take down. Unfortunately they did not release a threaded version.

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Old 09-28-2016, 12:08 AM
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Larrykay Welcome to the forum. What would you have the rep do, send you a mailing tag for you to ship it back. Gone for 2-3 weeks for them to just screw the screw in? There was no damage done at all and the gun probably will shoot fine. You are actually lucky as many posters cannot get the screws out at all. Put a no.61 o-ring on it when you re-install the screw in the gun and it will stay locked up until you take it out to clean it.
Apparently you didn't get the gist of the post. If I was running a company or worked for customer service I would have at least asked for the Serial number and then go back to the production time and find out who was responsible for the final QC. No I didn't expect them to send me a return label and have them put the screw back in. As for the #61 o- ring Idea. I really don't think that a customer should have to figure out there design flaw or how to fix it.

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Old 10-01-2016, 11:43 AM
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Heres another Smith QC problem about the takedown screw . A friend of mine bought a new Victory , I told him if the screw was tight he said yes. He took it to the range shot about 100 rounds and all went great. Took it home to clean it couldn't get the take down screw out, to tight. He then took it to the dealer who is a gunsmith. And the guy broke the allen wrench. Tried again same thing another broken allen wrench, Gun is going back to Smith. So apparently Smith does not have a fix for this problem yet.
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Old 10-01-2016, 10:31 PM
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At 1st they were putting them in too loose and now too tight. Seems like overkill with whatever torque specs they are using now. The #61 o-ring helps quite a bit it seems on these pistols and is a very inexpensive part to buy. Basically a 10 cent part that improves a very nice pistol to start with. I think thats a bargain.
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Old 10-02-2016, 12:30 AM
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[QUOTE=Barrie;139274123]At 1st they were putting them in too loose and now too tight. Seems like overkill with whatever torque specs they are using now. The #61 o-ring helps quite a bit it seems on these pistols and is a very inexpensive part to buy. Basically a 10 cent part that improves a very nice pistol to start with. I think thats a bargain.[/QUOTE

Not trying to start an argument but Basically 50 cents a piece. I still think it's not the buyer who should figure out a remedy. And it is a very nice pistol, Should have waited for the Mark IV Ruger.
Danco 35775B #61 O Ring (037155357758) [1]

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Old 10-02-2016, 01:11 AM
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I purchased a S&W Victory through Davidsons Gun Genie and had it shipped to a local gun shop. I tried to field strip it and found the barrel locking screw was impossible to remove. I bent the factory Allen and a Sears T handle wrench and the screw didn't budge. It appears my efforts stripped the head of the screw. I returned the pistol to the gun shop for return to Davidsons in accordance with their lifetime warranty. I decided to buy a S&W Victory for ease of take down, I guess I should have waited for the new Ruger Mark IV.
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Old 10-02-2016, 02:23 PM
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Once the screw is out use the No.61 o-ring and you will be very pleased with the results of ease in cleaning this gun versus any Ruger made. LarryKay I was able to pick the o-ring up at a wholesale for 10cents each here in Canada. I think .50 is someones store being quite greedy myself.
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Old 10-06-2016, 11:21 AM
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I bought a new Victory and fired 100 rounds and yes, cannot get the hex bolt out. Mine is the Kydex Highlander camo model, looks great but wondering if they sprayed the Kydex on then assembled the gun and the spray is acting like threadlock?
Also noted that the metal corner of the slide cover on the right edge is bent'broken and just held on by the camo spray so this gun is going back to S&W today. Very disappointing. It shoots great though.
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I bought a new Victory and fired 100 rounds and yes, cannot get the hex bolt out. Mine is the Kydex Highlander camo model, looks great but wondering if they sprayed the Kydex on then assembled the gun and the spray is acting like threadlock?
Also noted that the metal corner of the slide cover on the right edge is bent'broken and just held on by the camo spray so this gun is going back to S&W today. Very disappointing. It shoots great though.
It appears that they use locktite or a very strong person with a long leverage tool to put that screw in place. It appears it was set in with foot pounds not inch pounds.

Make sure the gun is unloaded, have a friend hold on a padded table top it and use a GOOD Allen wrench with a 10 or12'' crescent wrench to get sideways torque and apply a lot of power and it then should come off.

That the way we got my wife's out! She held it and I did the wrenching
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Old 10-06-2016, 11:13 PM
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Just got my Ruger Mark III Competition and must say it is the first firearm I have ever owned that you were required a hammer to field strip and put back to gather. I cringed beating on the brand new gun but did it just like Ruger's video showed and it works.

I no longer am having screw problem but they should have used a system like Beretta used on the U22 I have no problems with it. If it had the Victory's trigger it would be a darn good gun.
I have also had my problems with the Ruger Mark III 22/45. They have come up with a New Design that is so simple to disassemble (and re-assemble) that you can laugh yourself silly. It's the Ruger Mark IV. Look it up. I have just placed an order yesterday with IrunGuns for the SW22 Victory.
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My production date on the box is 9/19/16. I managed to stab myself in the thumb with the provided allen wrench when it slipped as I tried to get it to break free. Finally got it out and some strands of red loctite were present on the threads of the screw.
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Hate reading about all the problems. I just tighten mine when it gets loose.
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Old 10-08-2016, 03:47 PM
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It appears that they use locktite or a very strong person with a long leverage tool to put that screw in place. It appears it was set in with foot pounds not inch pounds.

Make sure the gun is unloaded, have a friend hold on a padded table top it and use a GOOD Allen wrench with a 10 or12'' crescent wrench to get sideways torque and apply a lot of power and it then should come off.

That the way we got my wife's out! She held it and I did the wrenching
Thats funny. I had my Wife, 2 of my kids and 2 grandchildren and Grandma hold it down. while I wrenched it off. What a Fiasco Smith caused with this pistol or Edsel.
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I couldn't remove my takedown screw out, and broke a few tools trying to get it out, so I sent it back to S&W. Got it back in a couple of weeks, works fine now. Put 100 rounds through it yesterday. I'll try to clean it this weekend and report back.
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Just got my Ruger Mark III Competition and must say it is the first firearm I have ever owned that you were required a hammer to field strip and put back to gather. I cringed beating on the brand new gun but did it just like Ruger's video showed and it works.

I no longer am having screw problem but they should have used a system like Beretta used on the U22 I have no problems with it. If it had the Victory's trigger it would be a darn good gun.
My Ruger is a Mark III 22/45. I hate more than disassembling, reassembling it. I'm drooling over the new Mark IV. One Push-button disassembly.

The main reason I got on this thread is my new S&W22 Victory. I did manage to unscrew the take down screw, basically byusing the Allen wrench and the barrel as one of those grip exercisers that Tennis players use. I did experience several (too many) FTEs. I'll try the ejector tweak tonight.

I'm in Canada so sending it back and forth to the S&W Customer Care Centre is out of the question. If the ejector tweak doesn't work I know there's a S&W Warranty Center in Quebec. It's a hassle to ship restricted (handguns mostly) firearms in Canada.
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#1 12/01/16
#2 Yes (Initially could not loosen screw. Had to take a heat gun and a super long allen wrench to pop it free. I thought I broke the allen wrench! No thread lock on the threads...just a coating of oil.)
#3 No. Even after breaking the screw loose and snugging it down, it hasn't come loose in 200 rounds.
#4 No problems once I got the screw loosened the first time.

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Mfg date 11/22/16. Apparently they are still over tightening these things

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I had just the opposite problem when I got mine right after they became available. With reasonable torqueing I had the screw come loose twice. Also the barrel screw once. I used blue thread locker on them both and have had no further problems.

This is a fine gun and shoots almost as well as my 41 at a much lower price. I currently have a second one on order with a threaded barrel so silence will be golden.

A heat gun from Harbor Freight is a better option for removing thread locker from places where it shouldn't be. Don't ask me how I know this.

Also factory service from S&W has been to my satisfaction both for warranty work and repair on older guns. Good luck.
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I have read to put it in the freezer and to heat it up. Which has worked? I'm not sending my brand new gun back to s&w yet. Because they are also closed until January 2nd. I'm going to go out and shoot tomorrow anyway. And have the Smith look at it while the so he can break all his Allen wrenches. Lol

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Went and shot it. Shot my Winchester x and Winchester western great. Whatever CCI I had in my container. Wouldn't cycle a single one. Must have been low velocity. The Smith there broke off two of his Allen wrenches trying to break it down.... Then my wife got me the tandemkross comp and trigger. But will have to send it back after the holidays.

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Best shooting out of the box "new" gun I have ever purchased. No problem with screw too tight or coming loose and the trigger is much better than stock Ruger or Beretta. As accurate as any pistol I own, most of my others are modified for improved accuracy. Victory was accurate out of the box.
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I have read to put it in the freezer and to heat it up. Which has worked? I'm not sending my brand new gun back to s&w yet. Because they are also closed until January 2nd. I'm going to go out and shoot tomorrow anyway. And have the Smith look at it while the so he can break all his Allen wrenches. Lol

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The bond between two pieces of metal, in this case the metal of the screw and the metal of the frame it is screwed into, can be broken by changing the temperature of one of the metals. Heat causes metal to expand, cold causes it to contract. Different metals react at different time rates, especially if they are of different sizes. The difference in the expansion or contraction can/will cause the bond between the two metals to loosen. Because the frame is larger than the screw, temperature changes will effect the frame slower than the screw, thus causing the mating surfaces of the screw and frame to separate or loosen. Instead of putting the pistol in a freezer, I would try canned air propellant, which can freeze the smaller screw quite quickly (and your fingers if you aren't careful!). After spraying, by tilting the can so the liquid propellant comes out instead of the air, let the gun sit for a few minutes to give the cold a chance to spread to the threads and cause them to contract.

In the case of a screw in a larger frame, heat generally is not the answer. As stated above, heat makes the metal expand, which will tighten the bond, not loosen it. The exception to this is when a thread locker is used. Thread locker, such as Loctite work by filling the microscopic voids between two threads and hardening to prevent the thread from loosening during use. This bond can be broken/softened by use of heat, hence the recommendation of using heat when a thread locking agent is used.

As a note of interest, heat can also be used to tighten threads. Large threaded rods were used to hold presses together at a plant I worked at. I'm speaking a rods that were a foot in diameter. They were threaded into the bottom of the press, the top of the press put into place, then heat applied to the rod until it was glowing red. The top nut was then torqued into place and the heat removed from the rod. As the rod cooled to ambient temps, it shrunk, increasing the torque on the rod considerably. Needless to say, when taking the press apart, the reverse had to be done. Just another example of the pieces of useless information my brain retains.
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We have 2 of them 081116 & 110116 The screws were tight on both but came out with a hex tip and 1/4" ratchet. The new one hasn't been shot yet but the older one has several hundred rounds through it with not a single hiccup or loose screw.
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I strongely recommend you place a no.61 O-ring on the screw after you strip it down next time. It will make a world of difference in the future on your guns as far as that screw goes. .
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I strongely recommend you place a no.61 O-ring on the screw after you strip it down next time. It will make a world of difference in the future on your guns as far as that screw goes. .
I'll do that thanks!
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I bought mine 12-15-2016, the box is dated 8-3-16. The screw popped with medium pressure using the provided allen wrench. Cleaned and reassembled, went shooting, at 30 rounds, the screw was loose. Based on Barrie's recommendation and my own experience with aluminum grips on Sigs, I put an o ring on the screw and went shooting. After 110 rounds, no movement. I marked the screw and frame with a dot of paint. The screw is tight, but not leaned on with an extension. Seems to be a simple and quick fix to me. It is a nice shooter, the trigger is way better than a .22/45 I have.
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Samo - samo. Tight screw. Tried supplied Allen wrench. No luck. Applied PB Blaster penetrant. hour later tried again. No luck. Used pliers as cheater. No luck. Applied Kroil penetrant. hour later tried again. It actually seemed to be working, but in reality the supplied Allen wrench was twisting slightly until it snapped off, flush with the top of the screw.
I quit. Email sent to C.S. at S&W.
I wish I had read up on this first. After 40+ years of working on my own guns, this is the first Allen wrench I have snapped on a firearm.
Yep. They unfortunately have a Q.C. problem.
(I have never had assembly/disassembly problems using blue LocTite, but maybe that would not be a good idea. I don't know.)
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I bought mine 12-15-2016, the box is dated 8-3-16. The screw popped with medium pressure using the provided allen wrench. Cleaned and reassembled, went shooting, at 30 rounds, the screw was loose. Based on Barrie's recommendation and my own experience with aluminum grips on Sigs, I put an o ring on the screw and went shooting. After 110 rounds, no movement. I marked the screw and frame with a dot of paint. The screw is tight, but not leaned on with an extension. Seems to be a simple and quick fix to me. It is a nice shooter, the trigger is way better than a .22/45 I have.
I purchased mine on 11/20/16. The date on the box was 10/14/16. I tried the supplied hex wrench multiple times with zero luck. I soaked the take down screw repeatedly with PBS Blaster for over 48 hours. Finally I purchased a hex socket for my 3/8 inch socket wrench and that finally did the trick. Since then I have only put about 140 rounds through it, but have had no issues with the screw lossening.

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I got mine at Christmas. The takedown screw was very tight, but it did break loose. After reading all the issues with the screw, I asked S&W for another screw which they sent out immediately. The new screw appears to have a dot of red loctite on it?? I'm not sure if I want to put this new screw in or not. I like the idea of the o ring and will get them for mine. The gun shoots great!

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Picked up a Victory last week. Stopped at Ace on the way home for a pair of no.61 o-rings. Medium pressure with the supplied hex wrench and no problem easily came loose.
Cleaned and installed the 0-ring and got to the range today. 270 rounds total, 100 CCI mini's with 100 Browning BPR Hollow Point, 50 Federal Auto Match. 20 Winchester Super X. Only Problem was a FTF with the Super X.
Sweet shooter, very happy with this pistol. Born on date 07/29/16.
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Sounds great. Welcome to the forum. You will love the Victory.
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I fell prey to the temptation and picked up a threaded barrel Victory yesterday. Haven't taken it out of the box yet but when I do I will be ready for what ever comes my way.
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I just received a new takedown screw from SW. It has a dot of red on the screw threads.....I figured locktite would be put on just before putting the screw back in....any ideas what it might be?
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I believe it is locktite. Some other folks have been saying they are coming from Smith that way now.
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I just received a new takedown screw from SW. It has a dot of red on the screw threads.....I figured locktite would be put on just before putting the screw back in....any ideas what it might be?
Without a picture it's hard to say for sure but I have used bolts in the past that had a nylon type insert that when the bolt was screwed down it locked into the threads to stop any loosening.
I have seen them many colors but red was the most common.
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I bought mine last spring, and like many here I had a very tight take down screw. I use a 1/8' Allen wrench in one of those multiple little hand units and tighten down snug.
I clean the gun after 500 rounds and never have an issue with it coming loose.
Put 5000 rounds through it so far this year.
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I bought mine last spring, and like many here I had a very tight take down screw. I use a 1/8' Allen wrench in one of those multiple little hand units and tighten down snug.
I clean the gun after 500 rounds and never have an issue with it coming loose.
Put 5000 rounds through it so far this year.
That is really good to hear.
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Before going to bed last night I put the #61 o-ring on. Has to be range tested yet. Hoping for the best although I have no problem just tightening the screw when it comes loose.
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S&W confirmed to me the red dot on the new screw is locktite. By the way, I asked about the use of o rings and they said they do not recommend it, but didn't give any explanation as to why. I can't possibly see any way an o ring would have any negative affect.
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