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Old 09-04-2016, 01:22 PM
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First time at the range with the SW22 Victory. Stove pipe every third round. Fail to eject-half way out with another live round on top. Apparently it wouldn't eject fast enough I guess. I don't know. I think it might be the ammo. Using CCI Mini Mags. MY Ruger 10/22 loves them. I noticed they have a waxey build up on them. I've been using this ammo for years. Never noticed this wax. Do you think this is my problem with the Victory. I cleaned every one of them before I go back to the range. I'm also going to try several different brands. So much for buying the good stuff. I hope this is the problem with the Victory. Very accurate when it worked. Any advice?
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Old 09-04-2016, 07:02 PM
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Old 09-04-2016, 10:34 PM
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I've shot approx. 3000 rounds through my Victory. Had lots of problems with bulk ammo. After reading somewhere on the forum that someone uses CCI 22LR SV without any problems I tried them today. Shot approx. 250 rounds without a single ftf or stove pipe. From now on I won't uses anything else. Saving a few bucks on ammo is not worth the frustration of having an unreliable gun.

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Old 09-04-2016, 11:06 PM
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I don't own a Victory so I'm not familiar with it. However, I have a Beretta Neos .22lr pistol that will not reliably cycle soft lead .22lr shells. At first It wouldn't cycle them at all. So I started using copper plated bullets and all was good with it. No more malfunctions with them. After a few hundred rounds with the plated bullets it got broken in enough to sort of be reliable with lead bullets. Try some plated bullets in it for awhile to see if things improve. If not I'd say it needs a trip to the gunsmith.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:56 PM
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I just picked one up Friday shot it Sunday afternoon in a steel match using CCI LR without a hich. Shoots great and love the fiber optic sights. I would try different ammo.
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Old 09-07-2016, 03:03 PM
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I have put several hundred rounds of CCI Mini Mags, Std. Velocity and Federal Am. Eagle Suppressor each with no problems at all.
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Old 09-07-2016, 03:36 PM
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Until it gets broken in I would just shoot CCI SV ammo in it for the 1st 1000 rounds or so. Then if you wish go up to the mini mags but you really don't need that much power in the Victory handgun.
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Old 09-07-2016, 08:19 PM
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First time at the range with the SW22 Victory. Stove pipe every third round. Fail to eject-half way out with another live round on top. Apparently it wouldn't eject fast enough I guess. I don't know. I think it might be the ammo. Using CCI Mini Mags. MY Ruger 10/22 loves them. I noticed they have a waxey build up on them. I've been using this ammo for years. Never noticed this wax. Do you think this is my problem with the Victory. I cleaned every one of them before I go back to the range. I'm also going to try several different brands. So much for buying the good stuff. I hope this is the problem with the Victory. Very accurate when it worked. Any advice?
I have ONLY used cci mini mags in my new Victory. CCI Mfg.#0030. the 40 grain round nose, high velosity copper plated ammo. Spoke to S&W customer service and they strongly recommended using copper plated lead round nose HV for flawless operation. I now have 800 rounds through it and not one problem at all. I have no reason to change. This ammo has NO wax build up on it. I have tried other lead round nose in my Ruger 10/22 that had what ever that stuff is on the lead bullet and it consistently jammed. Switched to CCI #0030 and it fires hundreds of rounds at a time with no problems, perfectly. I might eventually try other ammo but for now this stuff is working very well.
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Never had a problem with CCI mini-mags. My Victory does not like Remington Thunderbolts. When I first got my Victory it would not eject the TAC-22s. After about 1500 rounds it no longer has a problem with TAC-22s.

If the muzzle velocity is at or over 1200 fps I've not had a problem with any .22lr. As noted above the TAC-22s (which are at 1100 fps) are no longer a problem.
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Old 09-08-2016, 07:40 PM
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Default Loose Victory take down screw problem solved.

Went to the range today with my Victory SW22. After 80 rounds the screw came loose. ( I WAS READY FOR IT). I purchased some rubber "O" rings from Amazon. took out the screw, put on the O ring and put it back in. I shot another 320 rounds and the screw was tighter than ever after shooting. When I got home I took the gun apart for cleaning and the screw was still very tight. I inspected the O ring and it still looked like new. Just wanted to share my discovery with all my fellow Victory owners.
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Old 09-08-2016, 07:57 PM
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First time at the range with the SW22 Victory. Stove pipe every third round. Fail to eject-half way out with another live round on top. Apparently it wouldn't eject fast enough I guess. I don't know. I think it might be the ammo. Using CCI Mini Mags. MY Ruger 10/22 loves them. I noticed they have a waxey build up on them. I've been using this ammo for years. Never noticed this wax. Do you think this is my problem with the Victory. I cleaned every one of them before I go back to the range. I'm also going to try several different brands. So much for buying the good stuff. I hope this is the problem with the Victory. Very accurate when it worked. Any advice?
Well, usually I would tell somebody with your problems to try some CCI Mini Mags. My .22 Victory eats everything (but I never put Remington or Winchester in my .22s) I feed it.

Have you taken your Victory apart and cleaned it since taking it new from the box? Got the slide lubed? If so, I'm thinking maybe a magazine feed problem. Perhaps the lips need to be tweaked a touch. If you have two mags, is it happening with both?

The Mini Mags are great troubleshooting rounds. If they're not working, and you want to eliminate ammo as the problem, I also recommend a box of CCI Standard Velocity. If it doesn't work, it's NOT an ammo problem. Lifetime warranty though.
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:37 AM
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Recently purchased SW22 and have had major jamming issues. Using lead bullets that won't seat properly. Have been in contact many times with S&W and they have sent me a return tag. This Sunday I am going to range and keep record of all ammo used and any issues that happen. I see I am not only one with jamming issues.
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Old 09-10-2016, 11:19 PM
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WElcome to the Forum WayneKelleysr. Those Remington and Thunderbolts brands are not very good ammo at all. They are both very dirty to use as well as unreliable also. Pesonally I can not think of any make or model of gun that I dislike bad enough to ever use them in.
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Old 09-18-2016, 12:17 PM
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After tying the CCI's I switched to Aguila Super Extra and Federal HV Match Gold Medal. They all failed ejection. It seems like the ejector can't remove the spent round fast enough for the next round. I've had all kinds of issues. The spent round is half way out when the second round winds on top of the spent round. Both magazines have the same results. I'm lucky to fire 2 rounds in a row. Every other round jams/gets stuck inside. I think it's an ejector issue but I'm not a gunsmith. Calling SW tomorrow. Thinking about trading it in for a more reliable 22 pistol. Anybody have suggestions on an alternate 22 pistol? I like that Browning 22 1911 look alike. Anybody have one of those? I hear the Ruger 22's are a pain to field strip. How about the Browning Buckmark?
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Old 09-18-2016, 01:44 PM
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I'm sorry, but to say that one should not shoot name brand ammo from some of the companies listed is just not the right answer.

The right answer is for S&W to fix this Victory pistol.

It has had various issues since its introduction, and S&W seems not to care.

In the meantime, my Ruger 22 Auto (both MK III and 22/45) just goes on feeding absolutely anything. And I have one that has not been taken apart EVER, nor does it get cleaned more than once every few years.

If a 22 Auto will not perform as reliably as the Ruger, then I am not interested.

Making money is certainly one goal of a corporation, but long term survival is another, and the more customers that try S&W and leave for other brands the more long term survival is impacted.

Bad show.

I have read in the last two weeks on this forum of folks having issues with the Victory, the M&P pistols, the light strikes with revolvers that seem to have started after S&W shaved a little off the frame mounted firing pin to make sure of California drop tests, etc.

The one thing we all want in a firearm is one that fires each time the trigger is pulled, and it should work - whether that be cylinder rotates (there are posts on here about dragging cylinders in new guns) when trigger is pulled, or whether that be extract, eject, feed and fire again in semi-auto weapons (without out of battery firings, etc.).

S&W seems not to publicize what, if anything, it is doing to address ongoing problems, and for me, that promotes LACK of confidence in the product.

Sorry S&W, but that is how I feel.

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Old 09-18-2016, 06:34 PM
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My respectful answer to the Victory issues: The 22S or 22A:
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Old 09-18-2016, 08:00 PM
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Have had my Victory for only 9 days now. First range trip was a disaster. The gun failed to eject about every 3rd or 4th round, using 5 brands of ammo.
Went home and started searching the net for info. Found a comment about "tweeking" the ejector about 1mm toward the center. Did this and have not had any issues for over 400 rounds, and 7 different brands. Used a wooden Dowell to move the ejector, not a pair of needle nose pliers.
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Old 09-19-2016, 11:05 PM
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I have several thousand rds thru mine, CCI SV, Mini mags, Auto Match, Aguila, absolutely perfect! Very nice gun stock, better than the competition. I suspect you have an isolated issue, I would probably try mini maf 1st, maybe something else, both for reference and as info for S&W. Then, send the gun back. These guns are super reliable.
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Old 09-20-2016, 12:07 AM
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My respectful answer to the Victory issues: The 22S or 22A:
My answer to the victory is my Buckmark & my Ruger MKII....no failures & no parts replaced ever.......As to breaking in......I just loaded "em" and started "shootin"....
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Have had my Victory for only 9 days now. First range trip was a disaster. The gun failed to eject about every 3rd or 4th round, using 5 brands of ammo.
Went home and started searching the net for info. Found a comment about "tweeking" the ejector about 1mm toward the center. Did this and have not had any issues for over 400 rounds, and 7 different brands. Used a wooden Dowell to move the ejector, not a pair of needle nose pliers.
That "ejector tweak" is what solved my Victory problems too.

BTW, the flat trigger is sweet.

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Old 09-20-2016, 11:28 PM
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Shawn both brand names of ammo mentioned are really third rate bullets period. I have been shooting well over 50 years now and can vouch that they are extremely dirty and unreliable for the most part period. I am also used to shooting CCI-SV which is extremely reliable in my m41 and m46. I have owned many brands of pistols and many different models as well. Good ammo is important for any GOOD Gun.Its half of the equation to shooting properly. The firearm is the other half.
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I was having stove pipes every other round and always the first round. I tweaked the ejector slightly as the rounds were showing only a slight hit with the ejector. I also changed the extractor with one from Volquartsen that they came out with. Not a FTE since then wither its HV or subsonic.
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Old 10-16-2016, 09:40 PM
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Did you install the trigger yourself? How long did it take?
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First time at the range and I had this problem 3 times, but only with suppressor in use. Without the suppressor no problem. Armcor HVHP ammo.
However within 100 rounds bolt no longer locks open on empty mags.
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My Victory is enroute and should be here in a day or so. I've read this entire thread about ejection issues and I'm reminded of a Youtube video by 22Plinkster. Naturally, being a prominent online figure he receives all kinds of free stuff to promote, but I think he's still a credible source for unbiased information, at least he says he is. He's big on Volquartsen parts and he's installed their replacement ejector in his Victory. He didn't say "why", but I suspect it's because of the ejection issue being discussed in this thread. One other thing he promotes is that cleaning the bolt face after every 500 rounds or so made his gun super reliable.

Can't wait to get my hands on my new Victory. Still haven't decided what ammo to put through it. I've always loved CCI Mini Mags, but at 10 cents per round I'm rethinking my first choice and considering other brands.
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Been thinking about getting one, but now I will wait!
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I just got my S&W22 Victory back from S&W after warranty repair work. One of the issues was frequent jamming. It looks like they tweaked the ejector. Only had one stove pipe jam yesterday out of 200 rounds.
The CCI Mini Mags and some old HV Remington Peters lead rounds ran fine. One of the two boxes of SV Aguila lead cartridges would not cycle the slide all the way back with 9 rounds in the magazine.
Maybe this will improve after a few hundred more rounds. I need to find some copper plated SV cartridges to test. Hopefully the gun will run on SV ammo. I am leaving the magazines full till the next outing, maybe that'll help.
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After leaving the mags full for a few (5) days we took it out for a run.
It functioned fine through 100 rounds of CCI Mini Mags, 50 CCI Standard Velocity cartridges and 50 (SV) Federal Gold medal target loads.
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Old 04-11-2017, 07:22 PM
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What size "O" ring is required to fit with the Victory barrel removal screw??? Thanks
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I found a #61 O-ring at John Deere. The John Deere part number is R34812. Cost for one was $1.49 with Iowa tax.
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You should be able to find a No.61 O-ring much cheaper at most any hardware store. They should be NO more then around .25C each. They also seem to last almost for ever so a spare is affordable for some day down the road if you #61 wears out. Could be many years I suspect before it does.
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You should be able to find a No.61 O-ring much cheaper at most any hardware store. They should be NO more then around .25C each. They also seem to last almost for ever so a spare is affordable for some day down the road if you #61 wears out. Could be many years I suspect before it does.
Yeah if you can find local hardware store that sells them loose, they sell for @ .25 cents. Most of my local stores have gone to packaged for UPC sake that sell for .49 cents. Buy in 100 pc. bulk from McMaster Carr for @ .04 each.
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Its the same here with these dam blister packs for a lot more money for less product in the package unless you buy the extra large box of a lifetime supply to get the cost down but there are still places even here in Canada that I can buy them cheap and loose as well.
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Had trouble with my Victory with bulk ammo, switched to CCI & CCI Mini Mags. Over 2000 rounds no problems.
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Felt reallly good the other day when S&W shipped back my gun saying they replaced the extractor. Told them I was using Remington Golden Bullets and Federals when I shipped it to them. Went to the range yesterday and the first 20 rounds of Golden Bullets were fine. After that every round was either failure to eject or feed.

Switched to CCI coated bullets and the gun worked fine.

So much for S&W's repairs.

Forgot to mention when they shipped the gun and magazines they didn't even pad the box. Was able to rattle the contents with no troubles.

Gonna think about twice or more about buying another S&W in the future.
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I had the S&W Victory 22lr and sold it after buying a Ruger MKIV.
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First time at the range with the SW22 Victory. Stove pipe every third round. Fail to eject-half way out with another live round on top. Apparently it wouldn't eject fast enough I guess. I don't know. I think it might be the ammo. Using CCI Mini Mags. MY Ruger 10/22 loves them. I noticed they have a waxey build up on them. I've been using this ammo for years. Never noticed this wax. Do you think this is my problem with the Victory. I cleaned every one of them before I go back to the range. I'm also going to try several different brands. So much for buying the good stuff. I hope this is the problem with the Victory. Very accurate when it worked. Any advice?
Had the same problem with CCI. Now use Federal Target Grade Performance with zero problems for over 3000 rounds until the firing pin return spring broke!
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I'm having major FTE problems with my sw22 victory. I've been reading some of the advice on here and tweaked the extractor a little bit as some have suggested. Hopefully that will solve the problem.
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My Victory has been flawless. I am in my 2nd year and shoot mostly Federal Automatch. But I have tried the Federal 36 grain bulk hollow points and they worked great. I have also shot a few boxes of CCI minis with no problem.
I had no idea of how many rounds I have put through it but I have never had any type of malfunction. The pistol shoots the same today as when I first went to the range.
This pistol is a 1st year model purchased about 6 months after introduction at the SHOT show.
It gets cleaned after each use regardless of how many rounds were fired.
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I bought my Victory in the summer of 2016. I have shot Federal Auto Match, Federal Champion, Fiocchi and CCI mini mags without any issues. I recently installed a Volquartsen extractor just for giggles and I have a Volquartsen carbon fiber barrel with forward blow comp on the way. Sorry to hear those of you having issues. I wouldn't trade mine for the world. Awesome modular platform. I have a Vortex Venom optic on it and will be putting it through it's paces at Steel Challenge this year.
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I bought my Victory last year October then shortly afterwards I sent it back to S&W for a missing extractor. Couple months later it came back (very well padded & boxed) even better than it was new. I fired at least 2k rounds mostly Federal automatch & CCI mini mags with no failures of any kind. I bought a set of very nice Altamont grips for it. Pretty happy with it.
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I got my Victory 22 last year. I had failure issues but cannot remember if it was failure to eject or failure to feed. I did a lot of testing and determined all failures were with one magazine. The gun store owner I purchased if from tinkered with the magazine, did some test firing in the gunsmith room and fixed the mag. No problem since. I have shot CCI SV and the CCI Mini mag, Federal target, Remington Golden Bullet and some others. Can't remember any failures since fixing the mag. Now I shoot CCI Select. Accuracy is acceptable and gets better as I get better.
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I have owned numerous Ruger MKI and MKII pistols and am a big fan of them. However, I like to try new stuff, and after reading all of the info about the Victory I bought one on sale at a really good price last year. I have fired hundreds of rounds through mine of several different brands of ammo and have not had a failure yet of any kind. Mine came with a decent trigger pull but I added the Tandemkross trigger which made a definite improvement. As much as I like my new Victory, if push came to shove and I had to get rid of one or the other, I would be keeping the Ruger but I hope that doesn't ever happen because I like both.
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Had a small problem with light FP strikes when new, but took the bolt out and oiled the FP assembly and no FF problems since. However I've had one mag since new that fails to hold bolt open after last round fired. I guess 1 out of 4 not that bad.

I have look over the bolts very close and can see no difference in them. Guess I'll call S&W and see what they say about the problem. Otherwise after about 1000 plus rounds it's still 100% reliable except for a few ammo duds with HV ammo 1150/1200 plus FPS, however SV and some SS ammo gets a little iffy sometimes. Oh and the gun is always used with a suppressor when shooting and gun has never gotten dirty enough to malfunction in 250-300 round bouts. My 2206 was same way.
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My Victory had problems ejecting. All that was needed was to bend the ejector a bit and now it's flawless. Maybe these links will help.


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...forward to April 2017. Maybe SW has fixed the issues with FTEs. I took my new one to the range a couple of weeks ago for its first run. Using Browning bulk ammo, no issues, 50 rounds. I did no tweaks prior. Just the new gun cleaning regiment, oil where I think needed. This is my SOP for any gun I buy, lately, 2 new Buckmarks and a new Ruger Hunter also passed the 50 rounds first run with no issues.

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I just bought this pistol and like many other people, mine was hanging up with ejection issues as well. Of course I didn't know about this issue when I bought the gun so it upset me when I took it to the range and I couldn't even use the damn thing. I brought both cheap ammo and good stuff (CCI Mini Mag) already thinking ahead that the gun may not like the cheap stuff. So I tried the cheap stuff first and the fourth round already failed to eject. I tried it again and three rounds later it did it again. So I thought, okay, these guns don't like cheap ammo. So I loaded some CCI Mini Mag ammo and it did the same thing. This pissed me off....

So I came home and I researched the subject and I found this thread. I read through it and a few more. I then watched some YouTube videos with the same problem and suggested cures. I tried what was suggested and thankfully it worked. I ran roughly 200 rounds of cheap ammo today with zero failures. While I think having to tweak a brand new gun is BS, I guess I should be thankful it could've been a lot worse. It was making my stomach churn thinking about having to send my brand new gun to S&W to have my new gun already repaired. S&W should try these damn pistols out before they let them ship from their factory.

Anyway..... I also read the suggestion about the O-ring thing and what size/number to look for at the hardware store. I was able to find a rubber O-ring that fits very nicely on the allen screw holding the gun together. I also added some blue Loctite to the screw. I'm not really sure what the O-ring is supposed to do but I figured I couldn't go wrong with the .39 cents expense of the O-ring.

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Well if S&W were to make these guns to the standards you want, that all are perfect, not counting operator error, the gun would not have a $450 MSRP but a $1200 or more price tag. All you need to do is look at the Model 41, it's 3 times the price for all that attention to detail.

Put another 40 rounds thru the Victory yesterday afternoon, Winchester Subsonic Max 42 grain lead HP rated at 1065fps according to the box. I've been shooting this and CCI SV that's 1070fps per the box, and both very reliable, but the Win is whole lot cleaner then the CCI has been.

I have some 4 or 5 350 round bricks of Fed AutoMatch that I will be trying out after shooting couple hundred more of the CCI and Winchester. So far no failures caused by gun and one each of the brands has had a dud primer.

With the old Millet Red Dot that I bought 15 or 20 years ago installed I can really work the steel over and I can get nickel sized groups at 25 yards w/o too much effort on my part or using fancy high dollar target ammo. Love this little gun and guess it's the best money I have spent on a gun in years.

Just to add some more info about this gun, it's has never been fired w/o a suppressor mounted, so all accuracy, cleanness and function reports are with a suppressed gun.
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Well if S&W were to make these guns to the standards you want, that all are perfect, not counting operator error, the gun would not have a $450 MSRP but a $1200 or more price tag.
No. having a perfect firearm and a working firearm are two different things.

Perfect to me is having a firearm that works flawlessly with any brand type of ammo and is 100% cosmetic free condition out of the box. Thankfully my local gun shop allows me to hand pick my guns because they know how picky I am. I've seen plenty of new, out of the box guns that have some sort of either metal casting flaws and or machining cosmetic flaws. My shop lets me pick until I find that cosmetic defect free gun. I appreciate that which is why I keep coming back to that shop.

Having a working firearm to me would mean having a firearm that can shoot at least one type of ammo as described out of the box. My Victory along with plenty of others in the wild cannot or were not able to do that. Not until we did the needle nose pliers trick which thankfully worked for me.

So your assessment on my previous post is nonsense. At least the first few sentences were.
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No. having a perfect firearm and a working firearm are two different things.

So your assessment on my previous post is nonsense. At least the first few sentences were.
And I raise you two more nonsenses.
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